Ok, I have searched this group and read a lot about both of these
saws. I was at my local tool shop yesterday and was checking out the
36-717. A nice looking saw, but I did notice the table extension right
of the blade was not aligned to the table. This caused the Beisemeyer
fence to hang up. Blade guard was interesting, but I do most of my
work without the guard. I like the cabinet, much nicer than my Sears
contractor saw. Not to sure about the motor and power though. 220
would be great. What would Woodcraft try to sell me?

For a *little* more money I can pick up the 1023SL, which is one heck
of a saw for the money (from what I have read). I have not had an
opportunity to put my hands on this saw.

My question is what Delta/Jet saw would be in the price range of the
Grizzly? What are the drawbacks of mail ordering the 1023SL? What
about accessories? I would think that I could walk into almost any
woodworking store and pick up Delta goodies. The Grizzly would be all
mail order. How does the shipping work? Is this a UPS/FedEx handled
shipment? Do you pick up the saw at UPS/FedEx and if so how will the
saw be placed in my truck? If delivered, I need to request a truck
with a ramp or I will have to unload by hand; correct?

Matt

Matt wrote:

| The Grizzly would be
| all mail order. How does the shipping work? Is this a UPS/FedEx
| handled shipment? Do you pick up the saw at UPS/FedEx and if so how
| will the saw be placed in my truck? If delivered, I need to request
| a truck with a ramp or I will have to unload by hand; correct?

Correct. Freight, not UPS/FedEx. You'll probably want to request
delivery on a truck with a lift gate.

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What
about accessories? I would think that I could walk into almost any
woodworking store and pick up Delta goodies.

I would not worry about accessries. most of the interfaces are standard: 5/8
arbor for blades, 3/4 miter slot Azero clearance insert can (and should) be
made by you.

The Grizzly would be all mail order. How does the shipping work?

LTL (less than truckload) freight. In my limitted experience the carrier
would not even bother sending a truck without a liftgate to to a residential
address. It would be a huge waste of everyone's time. Liftgate service is an
extra, for which they *can* charge extra, although I never have. If you want
to go to the freight terminal with a pickup, they would be more than happy
to put the pallet in the bed of your pickup with a fork lift.

Is this a UPS/FedEx handled
shipment?

Nowadays, Fedex and UPS to LTL, but it would just as likely be some local
outfit. Griz picks the initial carrier. The carrier may choose to
subcontract final delivery.

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What did we ever do without the internet? I am sitting here in Mi and
I got info from Iowa-Morris and Steve. Sorry, i just thought that was
cool......

OK, freight delivered to my house. I am assuming that all the parts
are on the pallet and wrapped up. Will the components get broken down
on the truck and given to me or will they offload the palet in my
driveway/street? Thats how they deliver two truckloads of deck wood,
by dropping it in the street.

What about the 1023SL? Who has one and what do you think?

Matt

On Apr 13, 8:27 am, "Matt" wrote:
What did we ever do without the internet? I am sitting here in Mi and
I got info from Iowa-Morris and Steve. Sorry, i just thought that was
cool......

OK, freight delivered to my house. I am assuming that all the parts
are on the pallet and wrapped up. Will the components get broken down
on the truck and given to me or will they offload the palet in my
driveway/street? Thats how they deliver two truckloads of deck wood,
by dropping it in the street.

What about the 1023SL? Who has one and what do you think?

Matt

Call Grizzly. I'm sure they have answered the same questions you are
asking thousands of times. Parts? Components? On a cabinet table
saw? Other than the fence, and maybe the blade guard, its all
together. On a contractor saw the motor would not be installed. But
the Grizzly saw you mention is a cabinet saw with the motor inside.
You are not buying a model car you put together yourself with glue.
Liftgate service means they get it from the truck bed to the ground,
via a liftgate. I suspect they would have a pallet jack on the truck
and would help you move the pallet with the jack to your garage and
off the street. If you lived on a gravel road and a pallet jack would
be of no use on the ground, then the liftgate service would likely end
when the pallet was on the ground and you would have to figure a way
to get it from wherever its placed to wherever you want it. I suspect
if possible the truck would back into your drive/lane and put the
pallet in a somewhat convenient spot on the ground. But if you live
up a very steep drive with several turns in it, then the truck would
use its liftgate to put the pallet on the ground at the road, where
the truck can easily drive.

"Matt" wrote in message
oups.com...
What did we ever do without the internet? I am sitting here in Mi and
I got info from Iowa-Morris and Steve. Sorry, i just thought that was
cool......

It is.

OK, freight delivered to my house. I am assuming that all the parts
are on the pallet and wrapped up. Will the components get broken down
on the truck and given to me or will they offload the palet in my
driveway/street?

The later. They really would rather not hang around while you tear open
packaging. On both big deliveries, the drivers had a pallet jack, with which
they used to move the pallet around the truck, and subsequently into my
garage.

The 1023SL will come as the cabinet/motor/top as one 250 lb unit and
everything else (wings, fence, guard ext. table) as one or two additional
cartons which may or may not be strapped to the same pallet.


-Steve (NY State)



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On 13 Apr 2007 06:27:22 -0700, "Matt" wrote:

What did we ever do without the internet? I am sitting here in Mi and
I got info from Iowa-Morris and Steve. Sorry, i just thought that was
cool......

OK, freight delivered to my house. I am assuming that all the parts
are on the pallet and wrapped up. Will the components get broken down
on the truck and given to me or will they offload the palet in my
driveway/street? Thats how they deliver two truckloads of deck wood,
by dropping it in the street.

What about the 1023SL? Who has one and what do you think?

Matt,
I have a 1023Z (3HP version of the 1023ZX) and really like it.

The delivery was a little tricky for me. The saw was part of a larger tool
order from Grizzly. The carrier sent out a 45' trailer. The driver was not
comfortable backing the rig up my driveway...about 1500' and up hill.

We took my van down to the street and used a pair of 7' ramps to slide the
tools from the trailer into the van. Took the van back up the drive and used
the ramps to slide the tools into the garage. The second move was my
responsibility. Everything except the saw body was in the house by the time my
wife got home that evening.

I unpacked the cabinet and set it up on a very heavy furniture dolly to roll it
from the garage to the basement (no stairs).

I was able to set the saw up (attach the wings, the rails and set the fence)
without any help. I was even able to set it on the mobile base without any
help. That took a little planning, but it is doable.

As for the saw (1023s are pretty much the same), it was a very good purchase. I
did not have to make any adjustments to the alignment. Mine came with the G4723
Shop Fox Fence. It is heavy and tough.

The only accessory that I have had to buy directly from Grizzly was a couple of
Zero Clearance Inserts.

The only problems I have had was that I have stalled the saw twice: once while
ripping a warped and twisted 2x6 with a dull blade, and once while ripping an
8' piece of 3/4" oak plywood with a cheap HSS plywood blade. Changing the
blades to sharp carbide blades in both cases took care of the problem. Some day
I will learn throw those junk blades away. :-)

The saw is set up for 220VAC. I do a lot of dado work using a Freud 8" Dado
set. Even deep Dados don't bog down.
__________________
Bill Waller
New Eagle, PA

See comments inline
Matt wrote:
Ok, I have searched this group and read a lot about both of these
saws. I was at my local tool shop yesterday and was checking out the
36-717.

The 36-717 and the 1023 are different saws. A better comparison would be
with the Delta 'Unisaw'.

A nice looking saw, but I did notice the table extension right
of the blade was not aligned to the table. This caused the Beisemeyer
fence to hang up.

This was caused by inept set-up and not following the directions. You
will not have this problem if you setup the saw correctly.

Blade guard was interesting, but I do most of my
work without the guard. I like the cabinet, much nicer than my Sears
contractor saw. Not to sure about the motor and power though. 220
would be great. What would Woodcraft try to sell me?

They will try and sell you what they have in stock if they are smart.
maybe not whats best for you.

For a *little* more money I can pick up the 1023SL, which is one heck
of a saw for the money (from what I have read). I have not had an
opportunity to put my hands on this saw.

I have this saw and love it. I have the 220v, 3hp, right tilt.


My question is what Delta/Jet saw would be in the price range of the
Grizzly?

The hybrid you are looking at or a Steel City hybrid.

What are the drawbacks of mail ordering the 1023SL?

No instant gratification

What
about accessories? I would think that I could walk into almost any
woodworking store and pick up Delta goodies.

Most things you would add are compatible.

The Grizzly would be all
mail order. How does the shipping work?

Freight to your house or pick up at local terminal. You should request
lift gate service when ordering. There may be an extra charge. Me, I
have a pickup truck so I just pick up at freight terminal.

Is this a UPS/FedEx handled
shipment? Do you pick up the saw at UPS/FedEx and if so how will the
saw be placed in my truck? If delivered, I need to request a truck
with a ramp or I will have to unload by hand; correct?

Matt


Where are you located? If close you could check mine out. If you are
close to a grizzly store you could go see in person.

Noo wrote:
Matt wrote:

What would Woodcraft try to sell me?

They will try and sell you what they have in stock if they are smart.
maybe not whats best for you.

I disagree. If they are thinking long-term they will sell you what you
need, whether or not its in stock. That way later on you realize that
they give good advice and you keep going back.

Pushing what they have in stock is fine for short-term profitability,
but not a recipe for long-term respect.

Chris

Noo, I am located in Michigan. Thanks for the comments.

Matt

For a *little* more money I can pick up the 1023SL, which is one heck
of a saw for the money (from what I have read). I have not had an
opportunity to put my hands on this saw.

If you are not completely stuck on the 1023SL, the 1023S is pretty much the
same machine without the left-tilt. Their site says the SL splitter is
updated but I have never seen one. I have owned a 1023S for about five
years and I am completely satisfied with the machine and Grizzly.

What are the drawbacks of mail ordering the 1023SL?

One guy answered "no instant gratification." Gratification came pretty
quick for me. I placed an internet order at around 11:00 one evening and
the trucker called about 36 hours later wanting instructions.

What about accessories? I would think that I could walk into almost any
woodworking store and pick up Delta goodies. The Grizzly would be all
mail order. How does the shipping work? Is this a UPS/FedEx handled
shipment? Do you pick up the saw at UPS/FedEx and if so how will the
saw be placed in my truck? If delivered, I need to request a truck
with a ramp or I will have to unload by hand; correct?

A lot of accessories are pretty much generic. I can buy inserts, splitters,
featherboards and other stuff from local stores. The Shop Fox Fence is a
favored aftermarket accessory for some other saws. As I mentioned above,
Grizzly is pretty responsive. I have ordered other tools and they seldom
take a full week to arrive. I had a problem with a hand-held spindle sander
last year and they asked me to return it for evaluation. I had a new one
within a week or so. We live in Wichita, Kansas which is about 250 miles
from the Springfield Store.

Mine came via an independent trucking company. I drove my pickup to the
depot and a couple of their guys loaded the boxes into my truck. I drove
home and got a couple of the neighborhood guys to help me slide it down my
ramps. If you pick it up, I'll give you a some hints: 1) You can partially
unpack it before you take it off of the pickup. Open the carton and remove
the wings. That, alone, will reduce the weight of the main carton
substantially. 2) Do buy a mobile base. 3) Do not assemble anything until
the saw is on the mobile base. I tied the mobile base to the shipping
pallet and it was pretty easy for wife and I to slide it from pallet to the
mobile base. Then assemble the saw. 4) The Shop Fox fence will come in a
separate box and it, itself, and it is heavy. Again, no assembly until it
is on the base.

By contrast, our son-in-law ordered a Grizzly G0500 8" jointer and one of
their bigger drill presses and had the trucking company deliver. They did
have a lift gate on the truck. But the driver wouldn't even help push it
off onto the driveway. I think picking it up yourself and arranging help,
at your convenience, is the way to go.

Grizzly's customer service used to provide names and phone numbers of up to
two customers, within your area, that made similar purchases. I imagine
they still do. This is voluntary, on the customer's part, but might give
you an opportunity to see a machine and talk to the owner before you jump
off. I did this and the experience provided good feedback.

RonB

Matt wrote:
What did we ever do without the internet? I am sitting here in Mi and
I got info from Iowa-Morris and Steve. Sorry, i just thought that was
cool......


It's about to get cooler, still, Matt. Whereabouts in MI? I'm in Detroit
and grew up (more or less ;-) Downriver.

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Bill Waller wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 06:27:22 -0700, "Matt" wrote:

What did we ever do without the internet? I am sitting here in Mi and
I got info from Iowa-Morris and Steve. Sorry, i just thought that was
cool......

OK, freight delivered to my house. I am assuming that all the parts
are on the pallet and wrapped up. Will the components get broken down
on the truck and given to me or will they offload the palet in my
driveway/street? Thats how they deliver two truckloads of deck wood,
by dropping it in the street.

What about the 1023SL? Who has one and what do you think?

Matt,
I have a 1023Z (3HP version of the 1023ZX) and really like it.

The delivery was a little tricky for me. The saw was part of a larger tool
order from Grizzly. The carrier sent out a 45' trailer. The driver was not
comfortable backing the rig up my driveway...about 1500' and up hill.

We took my van down to the street and used a pair of 7' ramps to slide the
tools from the trailer into the van. Took the van back up the drive and used
the ramps to slide the tools into the garage. The second move was my
responsibility. Everything except the saw body was in the house by the time my
wife got home that evening.

I unpacked the cabinet and set it up on a very heavy furniture dolly to roll it
from the garage to the basement (no stairs).

I was able to set the saw up (attach the wings, the rails and set the fence)
without any help. I was even able to set it on the mobile base without any
help. That took a little planning, but it is doable.

As for the saw (1023s are pretty much the same), it was a very good purchase. I
did not have to make any adjustments to the alignment. Mine came with the G4723
Shop Fox Fence. It is heavy and tough.

The only accessory that I have had to buy directly from Grizzly was a couple of
Zero Clearance Inserts.

The only problems I have had was that I have stalled the saw twice: once while
ripping a warped and twisted 2x6 with a dull blade, and once while ripping an
8' piece of 3/4" oak plywood with a cheap HSS plywood blade. Changing the
blades to sharp carbide blades in both cases took care of the problem. Some day
I will learn throw those junk blades away. :-)

The saw is set up for 220VAC. I do a lot of dado work using a Freud 8" Dado
set. Even deep Dados don't bog down.
__________________
Bill Waller
New Eagle, PA

Never throw a blade away ... that's what clock-kits are for. ;-)

Bill


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On Apr 13, 10:12 am, Bill Waller wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 06:27:22 -0700, "Matt" wrote:

What did we ever do without the internet? I am sitting here in Mi and
I got info from Iowa-Morris and Steve. Sorry, i just thought that was
cool......

OK, freight delivered to my house. I am assuming that all the parts
are on the pallet and wrapped up. Will the components get broken down
on the truck and given to me or will they offload the palet in my
driveway/street? Thats how they deliver two truckloads of deck wood,
by dropping it in the street.

What about the 1023SL? Who has one and what do you think?

Matt,
I have a 1023Z (3HP version of the 1023ZX) and really like it.

The delivery was a little tricky for me. The saw was part of a larger tool
order from Grizzly. The carrier sent out a 45' trailer. The driver was not
comfortable backing the rig up my driveway...about 1500' and up hill.

We took my van down to the street and used a pair of 7' ramps to slide the
tools from the trailer into the van. Took the van back up the drive and used
the ramps to slide the tools into the garage. The second move was my
responsibility. Everything except the saw body was in the house by the time my
wife got home that evening.


We took a similar approach when my G0444Z arrived (not as heavy as the
1023, but tough for two guys to manhandle to the ground from a semi-
trailer). I live in a cul-de-sac with the garage accessible only by a
circuitous ally and the driver wanted no part of that. I pulled my
pickup around and the height difference between the two was small
enough that we could slide the cartons into the bed of the P/U. We had
to take them off the pallets though, which was good because the driver
didn't mind hauling them away, saving me the trouble.

Bottom line, they may or may not show up with a lift gate unless you
specifically request it, and there may be a fee associated with that.
As I recall, Grizzly makes that very clear during the order process.


Tom

On Apr 16, 12:05 pm, wrote:
On Apr 13, 10:12 am, Bill Waller wrote:



On 13 Apr 2007 06:27:22 -0700, "Matt" wrote:

What did we ever do without the internet? I am sitting here in Mi and
I got info from Iowa-Morris and Steve. Sorry, i just thought that was
cool......

OK, freight delivered to my house. I am assuming that all the parts
are on the pallet and wrapped up. Will the components get broken down
on the truck and given to me or will they offload the palet in my
driveway/street? Thats how they deliver two truckloads of deck wood,
by dropping it in the street.

What about the 1023SL? Who has one and what do you think?

Matt,
I have a 1023Z (3HP version of the 1023ZX) and really like it.

The delivery was a little tricky for me. The saw was part of a larger tool
order from Grizzly. The carrier sent out a 45' trailer. The driver was not
comfortable backing the rig up my driveway...about 1500' and up hill.

We took my van down to the street and used a pair of 7' ramps to slide the
tools from the trailer into the van. Took the van back up the drive and used
the ramps to slide the tools into the garage. The second move was my
responsibility. Everything except the saw body was in the house by the time my
wife got home that evening.

We took a similar approach when my G0444Z arrived (not as heavy as the
1023, but tough for two guys to manhandle to the ground from a semi-
trailer). I live in a cul-de-sac with the garage accessible only by a
circuitous ally and the driver wanted no part of that. I pulled my
pickup around and the height difference between the two was small
enough that we could slide the cartons into the bed of the P/U. We had
to take them off the pallets though, which was good because the driver
didn't mind hauling them away, saving me the trouble.

Bottom line, they may or may not show up with a lift gate unless you
specifically request it, and there may be a fee associated with that.
As I recall, Grizzly makes that very clear during the order process.

Tom


As reported, the Grizzly is 1023 is a great saw especially for the
money, although I would prefer a rear lock on the shop fox fence as
with large sheet cuts and inexperienced helpers its too easy to get a
bit off track. Other than that, its an animal. I have a decent
blade and have never ever come close to bogging it down, it has scary
power (stand to the side when possible so you protect your crotch from
kickbacks). And use a heavy cord as an extension if you go that
route, mine allows the thing to wheeled out in the driveway for less
dust. My exenstion cord is about 2x as heavy looking as the stock
cord that comes with it, I can't remember the gauge when I made it but
it is big. Thought about running it all the way to the switch but
figured I doing enough over-kill as it was....

On Apr 16, 11:53 pm, scott wrote:
On Apr 16, 12:05 pm, wrote:





On Apr 13, 10:12 am, Bill Waller wrote:

On 13 Apr 2007 06:27:22 -0700, "Matt" wrote:

What did we ever do without the internet? I am sitting here in Mi and
I got info from Iowa-Morris and Steve. Sorry, i just thought that was
cool......

OK, freight delivered to my house. I am assuming that all the parts
are on the pallet and wrapped up. Will the components get broken down
on the truck and given to me or will they offload the palet in my
driveway/street? Thats how they deliver two truckloads of deck wood,
by dropping it in the street.

What about the 1023SL? Who has one and what do you think?

Matt,
I have a 1023Z (3HP version of the 1023ZX) and really like it.

The delivery was a little tricky for me. The saw was part of a larger tool
order from Grizzly. The carrier sent out a 45' trailer. The driver was not
comfortable backing the rig up my driveway...about 1500' and up hill.

We took my van down to the street and used a pair of 7' ramps to slide the
tools from the trailer into the van. Took the van back up the drive and used
the ramps to slide the tools into the garage. The second move was my
responsibility. Everything except the saw body was in the house by the time my
wife got home that evening.

We took a similar approach when my G0444Z arrived (not as heavy as the
1023, but tough for two guys to manhandle to the ground from a semi-
trailer). I live in a cul-de-sac with the garage accessible only by a
circuitous ally and the driver wanted no part of that. I pulled my
pickup around and the height difference between the two was small
enough that we could slide the cartons into the bed of the P/U. We had
to take them off the pallets though, which was good because the driver
didn't mind hauling them away, saving me the trouble.

Bottom line, they may or may not show up with a lift gate unless you
specifically request it, and there may be a fee associated with that.
As I recall, Grizzly makes that very clear during the order process.

Tom

As reported, the Grizzly is 1023 is a great saw especially for the
money, although I would prefer a rear lock on the shop fox fence as
with large sheet cuts and inexperienced helpers its too easy to get a
bit off track. Other than that, its an animal. I have a decent
blade and have never ever come close to bogging it down, it has scary
power (stand to the side when possible so you protect your crotch from
kickbacks). And use a heavy cord as an extension if you go that
route, mine allows the thing to wheeled out in the driveway for less
dust. My exenstion cord is about 2x as heavy looking as the stock
cord that comes with it, I can't remember the gauge when I made it but
it is big. Thought about running it all the way to the switch but
figured I doing enough over-kill as it was....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for all the help fellas. Lots of great info. I cannot wait to
order the Grizzly, but must sell my existing saw first.

Matt