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Only the Texas GOP could produce such a ****tard.
Parents Who Skip School Meetings Could Be Fined AUSTIN, Texas -- Parents bewa Miss a meeting with your child's teacher and it could cost you a $500 fine and a criminal record. A Republican state lawmaker from Baytown has filed a bill that would charge parents of public school students with a misdemeanor and fine them for playing hooky from a scheduled parent-teacher conference. Rep. Wayne Smith said Wednesday he wants to get parents involved in their child's education. "I think it helps the kids for the parents and teachers to communicate. That's all the intent was," Smith said. |
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Sounds like a good idea to me. Your child is more important than anything
else in the world. If it takes a $500 fine to get the parents to be responsible then so be it. wrote in message ps.com... Only the Texas GOP could produce such a ****tard. Parents Who Skip School Meetings Could Be Fined AUSTIN, Texas -- Parents bewa Miss a meeting with your child's teacher and it could cost you a $500 fine and a criminal record. A Republican state lawmaker from Baytown has filed a bill that would charge parents of public school students with a misdemeanor and fine them for playing hooky from a scheduled parent-teacher conference. Rep. Wayne Smith said Wednesday he wants to get parents involved in their child's education. "I think it helps the kids for the parents and teachers to communicate. That's all the intent was," Smith said. |
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t: Sounds like a good idea to me. Your child is more important than anything else in the world. If it takes a $500 fine to get the parents to be responsible then so be it. I was part of a school that wanted parents to get involved. They came up with one activity that they got everyone to do, and that was take the rule sheet home and have a parent sign it. That's really getting involved now. (All it really did was create hassle for me, having to remember to bring the thing home and back again.) Puckdropper -- Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it. To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm |
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On 2 Feb 2007 18:59:01 -0800, "
wrote: Only the Texas GOP could produce such a snip Pretty much indicates where you are coming from Parents Who Skip School Meetings Could Be Fined AUSTIN, Texas -- Parents bewa Miss a meeting with your child's teacher and it could cost you a $500 fine and a criminal record. A Republican state lawmaker from Baytown has filed a bill that would charge parents of public school students with a misdemeanor and fine them for playing hooky from a scheduled parent-teacher conference. Rep. Wayne Smith said Wednesday he wants to get parents involved in their child's education. "I think it helps the kids for the parents and teachers to communicate. That's all the intent was," Smith said. I can see where this may be a good idea. Particularly in schools that are having "behavioral" problems with students whose parents are barely older than the children the school is trying to educate. What is a school to do when you have a discipline problem with a child and the parents continually avoid meeting with the teacher? Since education is mandatory and provided at taxpayer expense, there are some responsibilities that parents should assume. Of course the application of this law needs to be reasonable. Trying to apply it to a parent who has an emergency situation the first time a meeting is scheduled should not result in a fine, after the second or third missed meeting however, it seems that the school should have some recourse. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
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Only the Texas GOP could produce such a ****tard. Parents Who Skip School Meetings Could Be Fined SNIP Rep. Wayne Smith said Wednesday he wants to get parents involved in their child's education. "I think it helps the kids for the parents and teachers to communicate. That's all the intent was," Smith said. Well, even if the others here won't say anything, I for one am proud of you for standing up for your rights as a parent. As there are many just like you that feel that skipping part of your child's needs are there prerogative, that is no doubt what brought this about. My best buddy is a teacher in a disadvantaged district, and believe me, people like you make his job easy. Less than 30% of the parents that make appts. to see him show. That's right, less than 30%. The students that need a parent/teacher/prinicpal conference are not his star students, and he feels since their parents have sent them to the school to be raised rather than taking that on themselves (hey... they just pumped 'em out), the school should get a little help with the kids. Most likely source in their unenlightened eyes are the parents. Progress reports go unanswered; emails ignored; phone calls are unreturned. As he will tell you, most of those kids never make it to their senior year. But as we all know, the kiddos have rights, too. Their dumbasses have a right to stay just as stupid, uncaring, and ignorant as their uncaring parents. It is a tradition with some that has been passed from generation to generation. And my buddy will tell you too, some of the parents that do show up have a lot of bad attitude about their day being interrupted by the school calling; the only reason they show up is the threat of expulsion or long term suspension. Then the school would no longer baby sit; the parents would be fully responsible. Sensing the lesser of two evils (and impending responsibility), the parent go to the conference. I know you see their point; really, who wants to put out any more effort than you need to to take care of your kid? Imagine someone wanting to break that cycle. Thanks for standing up for all the other that are too stupid and lazy to take care of their kids. Without people like you to bravely speak up about how stupid it is to get parents involved in the education and affais of their children, we wouldn't even realize how far out of hand this whole parental involvement bull**** has gotten. Good for you! I will say though, I am not sure what being a Texan has to do with anything... you weren't by chance sticking your tongue out when you said that were you? This is the internet, so if you were you need to let us know. Robert |
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It's really sad that a LOT of parents view school as something akin to sending raw materials into a factory. They just want to pick up a finished part at the end, and they blame the school for the problems. My wife sees this even in Pre-K (She's a teacher for kids with special needs). -- Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to this account incurs a fee of $500 per message, and acknowledges the legality of this contract. |
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Go get 'em.
It would be a whole other story if one of the teachers was to strike one of the students.....you wouldn't be able to keep the parent away from the school and they would attend every meeting between their attorney and the school! |
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wrote in message ups.com... My best buddy is a teacher in a disadvantaged district, and believe me, people like you make his job easy. Less than 30% of the parents that make appts. to see him show. That's right, less than 30%. The students that need a parent/teacher/prinicpal conference are not his star students, and he feels since their parents have sent them to the school to be raised rather than taking that on themselves (hey... they just pumped 'em out), the school should get a little help with the kids. Most likely source in their unenlightened eyes are the parents. Progress reports go unanswered; emails ignored; phone calls are unreturned. Yep, the ones who attend conferences are the parents of the kids whose effort and results are generally the best. Can't say it publicly, or in the lounge, which might be wired, because it's not the position of the NEA, but over partitions in the john most teachers will confess to believing that parental concern may be the reason for the kids' positive outcome. Sometimes it's the village idiot who wants to raise your kids, what? |
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"Leon" wrote in message t... Sounds like a good idea to me. Your child is more important than anything else in the world. If it takes a $500 fine to get the parents to be responsible then so be it. wrote in message ps.com... Only the Texas GOP could produce such a ****tard. Parents Who Skip School Meetings Could Be Fined AUSTIN, Texas -- Parents bewa Miss a meeting with your child's teacher and it could cost you a $500 fine and a criminal record. A Republican state lawmaker from Baytown has filed a bill that would charge parents of public school students with a misdemeanor and fine them for playing hooky from a scheduled parent-teacher conference. Rep. Wayne Smith said Wednesday he wants to get parents involved in their child's education. "I think it helps the kids for the parents and teachers to communicate. That's all the intent was," Smith said. Leon, I'm sorry but your credibility just nosed dived here. This is SO beyond anything close to an acceptable answer that it's laughable. You really think that good parenting, like morals, can be legislated? Wake up. People that habitually ignore the teacher will not give the meeting any effort. Attend or be fined? They'll show up and play cards or something. The idea that a civil authority thought this was a real way to do something useful for children's education is nuts. He should be impeached. |
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Only the Texas GOP could produce such a ****tard. Parents Who Skip School Meetings Could Be Fined AUSTIN, Texas -- Parents bewa Miss a meeting with your child's teacher and it could cost you a $500 fine and a criminal record. $500?? ... Hell, I'd put'em in jail for 30 days! What on earth could be more important? -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 1/27/07 |
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:05:07 +0000 (UTC), Bruce Barnett
wrote: It's really sad that a LOT of parents view school as something akin to sending raw materials into a factory. They just want to pick up a finished part at the end, and they blame the school for the problems. My wife sees this even in Pre-K (She's a teacher for kids with special needs). Trouble is that thanks to bussing kids all over Hell's half acre, some parents can't _get_ to the frelling school. Poor people in the inner city don't always have cars to drive to the suburban paradise that the courts have decided is appropriate for schooling their kids, and the school bus may be the _only_ bus that goes near there. Was the school willing to send a bus to pick up the parent? |
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Even? What do you think preschool was created for?
"Bruce Barnett" wrote in message ... My wife sees this even in Pre-K (She's a teacher for kids with special needs). |
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wrote in message Only the Texas GOP could produce such a ****tard. Parents Who Skip School Meetings Could Be Fined AUSTIN, Texas -- Parents bewa Miss a meeting with your child's teacher and it could cost you a $500 fine and a criminal record. $500?? ... Hell, I'd put'em in jail for 30 days! What on earth could be more important? Working the 2.5 minimum wage jobs required to pay the rent and put food on the table perhaps... Outside of that or being in the hospital or jail, not much... |
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"Myxylplyk" wrote in message ... Leon, I'm sorry but your credibility just nosed dived here. This is SO beyond anything close to an acceptable answer that it's laughable. You really think that good parenting, like morals, can be legislated? Wake up. People that habitually ignore the teacher will not give the meeting any effort. Attend or be fined? They'll show up and play cards or something. The idea that a civil authority thought this was a real way to do something useful for children's education is nuts. He should be impeached. The schools simply want the parents involved and especially when the kid gets into trouble. You might as well **** your pants because you child has to go to school also. |
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"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message ... I can see where this may be a good idea. Particularly in schools that are having "behavioral" problems with students whose parents are barely older than the children the school is trying to educate. What is a school to do when you have a discipline problem with a child and the parents continually avoid meeting with the teacher? Since education is mandatory and provided at taxpayer expense, there are some responsibilities that parents should assume. This is what the local news suggested that the law is being considered for. |
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"George" wrote in message t... Yep, the ones who attend conferences are the parents of the kids whose effort and results are generally the best. Can't say it publicly, or in the lounge, which might be wired, because it's not the position of the NEA, but over partitions in the john most teachers will confess to believing that parental concern may be the reason for the kids' positive outcome. Sometimes it's the village idiot who wants to raise your kids, what? The HS that my son graduated from had heavy parent involvement. At all of the parent student meetings the principal an teachers preached that the students that had parent involvement at the school were the ones that did the best. His graduation had 130 students of which half intended to go on to college. His graduation class was awarded 1.5 million dollars in college scholastic academic scholarships for those 65 students. |
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"Pete C." wrote in message ... Swingman wrote: Working the 2.5 minimum wage jobs required to pay the rent and put food on the table perhaps... Outside of that or being in the hospital or jail, not much... Well the parents should have thought of that before neglecting their children. You child is more important than any job or rent. Where there is a will, there is a way. If the parent gets fined because he cannot attend to his child's needs he needs to do better parenting at home so that the child does not require a parent teacher meeting. The parents are responsible for their children and the schools are not baby sitters. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Trouble is that thanks to bussing kids all over Hell's half acre, some parents can't _get_ to the frelling school. Poor people in the inner city don't always have cars to drive to the suburban paradise that the courts have decided is appropriate for schooling their kids, and the school bus may be the _only_ bus that goes near there. Was the school willing to send a bus to pick up the parent? I agree that bussing is stupid but that a long buss trip for the parent is simply one more lame excuse for not tending to your child's needs. There is plenty of before hand warning of the consequences if a parent misses a meeting. If it would present a hardship to attend a meeting for my child's benefit I would see to it the my child understood what a hardship it would be to attend a meeting far from home. Its time to quit making excuses for not taking care of our children. There are going to be a million other reasons this would be inconvenient for the parents. My suggestion is to take steps to see to it that your child stays out of trouble. |
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Leon wrote:
"Pete C." wrote in message ... Swingman wrote: Working the 2.5 minimum wage jobs required to pay the rent and put food on the table perhaps... Outside of that or being in the hospital or jail, not much... Well the parents should have thought of that before neglecting their children. You child is more important than any job or rent. Where there is a will, there is a way. If the parent gets fined because he cannot attend to his child's needs he needs to do better parenting at home so that the child does not require a parent teacher meeting. The parents are responsible for their children and the schools are not baby sitters. Well, one thing for sure, parents will not agree to meet with the teacher, always with plenty of reason why they can't schedule the meeting. |
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Leon wrote:
"Pete C." wrote in message ... Swingman wrote: Working the 2.5 minimum wage jobs required to pay the rent and put food on the table perhaps... Outside of that or being in the hospital or jail, not much... Well the parents should have thought of that before neglecting their children. You child is more important than any job or rent. Where there is a will, there is a way. If the parent gets fined because he cannot attend to his child's needs he needs to do better parenting at home so that the child does not require a parent teacher meeting. The parents are responsible for their children Nah, it's just those wacko conservatives that believe that... and the schools are not baby sitters. Of course they are, it's just that the rich parents who can't be bothered with parenthood can afford to send their kids to boarding schools... |
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"Martin K" wrote in message news:h12xh.213$yI1.128@trndny01... Leon wrote: Well, one thing for sure, parents will not agree to meet with the teacher, always with plenty of reason why they can't schedule the meeting. Yeah, and another thing is for sure also. If the parents start being fined, 99.9% of those excuses will start to disappear. The parents are going to have the opportunity to schedule the meeting. |
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"Pete C." wrote in message ... The parents are responsible for their children Nah, it's just those wacko conservatives that believe that... and the schools are not baby sitters. Of course they are, it's just that the rich parents who can't be bothered with parenthood can afford to send their kids to boarding schools... Woah is me, is not an excuse as far as I am concerned. |
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Myxylplyk wrote:
You really think that good parenting, like morals, can be legislated?**Wake up. People that habitually ignore the teacher will not give the meeting any effort. Attend or be fined?**They'll*show*up*and*play*cards*or*somethin g. He has a point, Leon. Sounds to me like that legislator's good intentions went a bit awry. -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ... Myxylplyk wrote: You really think that good parenting, like morals, can be legislated? Wake up. People that habitually ignore the teacher will not give the meeting any effort. Attend or be fined? They'll show up and play cards or something. He has a point, Leon. Sounds to me like that legislator's good intentions went a bit awry. He is assuming a PTA or PTO meeting for a crowd. The proposal is more for one on one. |
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"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message Myxylplyk wrote: You really think that good parenting, like morals, can be legislated? Wake up. People that habitually ignore the teacher will not give the meeting any effort. Attend or be fined? They'll show up and play cards or something. He has a point, Leon. Sounds to me like that legislator's good intentions went a bit awry. While you can't legislate morals or good parenting, we do have a loooong history of punishing the bad of both ... just more of the same. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 1/27/07 |
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:30:29 -0600, "Leon"
wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote in message .. . Trouble is that thanks to bussing kids all over Hell's half acre, some parents can't _get_ to the frelling school. Poor people in the inner city don't always have cars to drive to the suburban paradise that the courts have decided is appropriate for schooling their kids, and the school bus may be the _only_ bus that goes near there. Was the school willing to send a bus to pick up the parent? I agree that bussing is stupid but that a long buss trip for the parent is simply one more lame excuse for not tending to your child's needs. If one can take a long bus trip there's no problem. The nearest bus stop to any school around here is about 5 miles from the school. One has to walk both ways if one doesn't have a car. There is plenty of before hand warning of the consequences if a parent misses a meeting. If it would present a hardship to attend a meeting for my child's benefit I would see to it the my child understood what a hardship it would be to attend a meeting far from home. Its time to quit making excuses for not taking care of our children. So how does someone with no car and limited income get to a school that does not have a bus stop nearby? There are going to be a million other reasons this would be inconvenient for the parents. My suggestion is to take steps to see to it that your child stays out of trouble. Like what? When some bully punches your kid out and your kid is accused by the bully and his friends of starting the fight, how can anything you do prevent that? |
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:22:10 -0600, "Leon"
wrote: "Pete C." wrote in message ... Swingman wrote: Working the 2.5 minimum wage jobs required to pay the rent and put food on the table perhaps... Outside of that or being in the hospital or jail, not much... Well the parents should have thought of that before neglecting their children. You child is more important than any job or rent. If you can't pay the rent then you and your child get to live in a cardboard box on a heating grate, if you're tough enough to chase some other homeless person off the heating grate. Sorry, but putting a roof over the kid's head is part of taking care of the kid and failing to do so is neglecting the kid. Where there is a will, there is a way. If the parent gets fined because he cannot attend to his child's needs he needs to do better parenting at home so that the child does not require a parent teacher meeting. If fining the parent means that he and the kid end up living in that box then how have you helped the kid? The parents are responsible for their children and the schools are not baby sitters. No, the schools are not baby sitters, they are surrogate parents--that is what the doctrine of "in loco parentis" means. |
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:44:03 -0600, "Leon"
wrote: "Martin K" wrote in message news:h12xh.213$yI1.128@trndny01... Leon wrote: Well, one thing for sure, parents will not agree to meet with the teacher, always with plenty of reason why they can't schedule the meeting. Yeah, and another thing is for sure also. If the parents start being fined, 99.9% of those excuses will start to disappear. The parents are going to have the opportunity to schedule the meeting. Why do you consider it so important that the parent appear at a "school meeting"? Are you a teacher or something? Personally I think that any teacher that can't handle the kids without parental meetings should be fir^Hned. |
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"Leon" wrote in message . .. "Pete C." wrote in message ... Swingman wrote: Working the 2.5 minimum wage jobs required to pay the rent and put food on the table perhaps... Outside of that or being in the hospital or jail, not much... You child is more important than any job or rent. Tell that to Social Services when they come to take your kids away because you got fired for taking time off to attend one of these meetings, and you can afford to feed them any more. Len |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message news If one can take a long bus trip there's no problem. The nearest bus stop to any school around here is about 5 miles from the school. One has to walk both ways if one doesn't have a car. If you are truely interested in you child's welfare and don't want a $500 fine you will find a way to get there. Plain and simple. So how does someone with no car and limited income get to a school that does not have a bus stop nearby? Come on THINK, the first thin that comes to mind is to ask for a freind or neighbor for a ride. There are going to be a million other reasons this would be inconvenient for the parents. My suggestion is to take steps to see to it that your child stays out of trouble. Like what? When some bully punches your kid out and your kid is accused by the bully and his friends of starting the fight, how can anything you do prevent that? Were you one of those people that always needed some one else to solve your problems. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:44:03 -0600, "Leon" wrote: "Martin K" wrote in message news:h12xh.213$yI1.128@trndny01... Leon wrote: Well, one thing for sure, parents will not agree to meet with the teacher, always with plenty of reason why they can't schedule the meeting. Yeah, and another thing is for sure also. If the parents start being fined, 99.9% of those excuses will start to disappear. The parents are going to have the opportunity to schedule the meeting. Why do you consider it so important that the parent appear at a "school meeting"? Are you a teacher or something? More importantly a one on one with teacher and or principal. I am not a teacher and believe that too many teachers are ineffective. If you fail to see the revelance you are probably one of those people that always points the finger. Personally I think that any teacher that can't handle the kids without parental meetings should be fir^Hned. Where do you live, Dream land? What public school will let a teacher actually discipline a child without fear of a law suite? |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... If you can't pay the rent then you and your child get to live in a cardboard box on a heating grate, if you're tough enough to chase some other homeless person off the heating grate. Sorry, but putting a roof over the kid's head is part of taking care of the kid and failing to do so is neglecting the kid. Parenting is more than multiplying. If you cannot afford or take care of kids don't have them. Where there is a will, there is a way. If the parent gets fined because he cannot attend to his child's needs he needs to do better parenting at home so that the child does not require a parent teacher meeting. If fining the parent means that he and the kid end up living in that box then how have you helped the kid? How many people do you personally know that live in a box because of a $500 fine? The parents are responsible for their children and the schools are not baby sitters. No, the schools are not baby sitters, they are surrogate parents--that is what the doctrine of "in loco parentis" means. That is what liberals believe. |
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"Len" wrote in message ... You child is more important than any job or rent. Tell that to Social Services when they come to take your kids away because you got fired for taking time off to attend one of these meetings, and you can afford to feed them any more. Len Has that happened to you? Don't make up a problem before it exists. |
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wrote in message oups.com... My best buddy is a teacher in a disadvantaged district, and believe me, people like you make his job easy. Less than 30% of the parents that make appts. to see him show. That's right, less than 30%. The students that need a parent/teacher/prinicpal conference are not his star students, and he feels since their parents have sent them to the school to be raised rather than taking that on themselves (hey... they just pumped 'em out), the school should get a little help with the kids. Most likely source in their unenlightened eyes are the parents. Progress reports go unanswered; emails ignored; phone calls are unreturned. Nailshooter, you put that point a lot more eloquently than I did and with a lot more good humor. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
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"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message ... wrote in message roups.com... My best buddy is a teacher in a disadvantaged district, and believe me, people like you make his job easy. Less than 30% of the parents that make appts. to see him show. That's right, less than 30%. The students that need a parent/teacher/prinicpal conference are not his star students, and he feels since their parents have sent them to the school to be raised rather than taking that on themselves (hey... they just pumped 'em out), the school should get a little help with the kids. Most likely source in their unenlightened eyes are the parents. Progress reports go unanswered; emails ignored; phone calls are unreturned. Nailshooter, you put that point a lot more eloquently than I did and with a lot more good humor. And unfortunately those that he aimed that at will wonder what just went flying way over their heads. What is it with all the people that want some one else to take responsibility for their kids? |
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OT again: Parents could be fined for missing school meetings
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:16:54 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote in message news If one can take a long bus trip there's no problem. The nearest bus stop to any school around here is about 5 miles from the school. One has to walk both ways if one doesn't have a car. If you are truely interested in you child's welfare and don't want a $500 fine you will find a way to get there. Plain and simple. How. So how does someone with no car and limited income get to a school that does not have a bus stop nearby? Come on THINK, the first thin that comes to mind is to ask for a freind or neighbor for a ride. And why would any of them have cars? There are going to be a million other reasons this would be inconvenient for the parents. My suggestion is to take steps to see to it that your child stays out of trouble. Like what? When some bully punches your kid out and your kid is accused by the bully and his friends of starting the fight, how can anything you do prevent that? Were you one of those people that always needed some one else to solve your problems. If nobody needs anybody to solve their problems then why does the teacher need the parent to solve her problems? |
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OT again: Parents could be fined for missing school meetings
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:21:08 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:44:03 -0600, "Leon" wrote: "Martin K" wrote in message news:h12xh.213$yI1.128@trndny01... Leon wrote: Well, one thing for sure, parents will not agree to meet with the teacher, always with plenty of reason why they can't schedule the meeting. Yeah, and another thing is for sure also. If the parents start being fined, 99.9% of those excuses will start to disappear. The parents are going to have the opportunity to schedule the meeting. Why do you consider it so important that the parent appear at a "school meeting"? Are you a teacher or something? More importantly a one on one with teacher and or principal. I am not a teacher and believe that too many teachers are ineffective. If you fail to see the revelance you are probably one of those people that always points the finger. I see, you've made two attempt now to make this about me. Personally I think that any teacher that can't handle the kids without parental meetings should be fir^Hned. Where do you live, Dream land? What public school will let a teacher actually discipline a child without fear of a law suite? If that is what you see as the problem then you simply need to make it lawful for teachers to discipline children without fear of a lawsuit rather than fining parents for not kowtowing to teachers' demands that they appear in a certain place at a certain time. But you are actually introducing Constitutional issues here. By what authority does a teacher have the power to order a parent to be in a certain place at a certain time? Teachers are not police or judges, they have no power to issue warrants. I suspect that the courts would toss any such law in short order. |
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OT again: Parents could be fined for missing school meetings
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:24:29 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote in message .. . If you can't pay the rent then you and your child get to live in a cardboard box on a heating grate, if you're tough enough to chase some other homeless person off the heating grate. Sorry, but putting a roof over the kid's head is part of taking care of the kid and failing to do so is neglecting the kid. Parenting is more than multiplying. If you cannot afford or take care of kids don't have them. While I agree with this in principle, it is beside the point. Where there is a will, there is a way. If the parent gets fined because he cannot attend to his child's needs he needs to do better parenting at home so that the child does not require a parent teacher meeting. If fining the parent means that he and the kid end up living in that box then how have you helped the kid? How many people do you personally know that live in a box because of a $500 fine? I've never known anybody who had to pay a $500 fine for refusing to kiss a teacher's butt. The parents are responsible for their children and the schools are not baby sitters. No, the schools are not baby sitters, they are surrogate parents--that is what the doctrine of "in loco parentis" means. That is what liberals believe. No, that is what the _law_ believes. |
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OT again: Parents could be fined for missing school meetings
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:25:17 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: "Len" wrote in message .. . You child is more important than any job or rent. Tell that to Social Services when they come to take your kids away because you got fired for taking time off to attend one of these meetings, and you can afford to feed them any more. Len Has that happened to you? Don't make up a problem before it exists. Leon, you simply are not in touch with reality. I'll wager that you have a high income and/or no kids. |
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