Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 2:02am (EST-1)
(Prometheus) doth sayeth:
snip I do vote in every election, and spend as much time as I can
actively researching the candidates in every race prior to doing so.
snip

Likewise. However my research is NOT for who to vote for, rather
who to vote against, as I generally am not very satisfied with either
candidate - especially those runing for federal offices. I just try to
vote against the one I consider the worst person to be in office. I
probably won't be needing a lot of research if Clinton runs, hard to
think of a worse choice - and for the weenies, no it's not because she's
a woman, it's because of her as a person. I think she is morally
corrupt, and not qualified for the position in the first place. It
would be a terrible dillema tho if she were to run against someone like
Kerry, or Kennedy. Then it would be a lose lose situation, no matter
who lost.



JOAT
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength.
- Eric Hoffer

On Dec 22, 3:20 am, Prometheus wrote:


"Think about how stupid the average person is, and then remember that
half the people are even dumber than that."

Then there's the one, and I don't recall who said it but: "Whatever
doesn't kill you makes you stronger..unless it kills you."

How many times has it happened that decades after extensive use of a
drug, it is found to be causing bad side effects? Vioxx comes to mind.
Look at Limbaugh to see how stupid you can get from Oxycontin.

Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 1:46am (Wayne*K)
Try Alt.hvac to see what a harsh group is like. Ask a simple or complex
question and get called every name in the book. Makes me feel embarrased
to say I'm in the HVAC field with people representing it like those
asses.

I haven't visited there, but yeah, that would be an example of a
harsh group. If any of you wonder about rec.woodworking being one of
the politest newsgroups, go cruise a few newsgroups, and participate.



JOAT
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength.
- Eric Hoffer

Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 2:28am (EST-1)
(Prometheus) doth sayeth:
Headaches (or headache, in your case) are a bitch. snip prescription
pain-killer addiction, so I avoid them like the plague.)
Don't know if you've tried it, but what usually gets the suckers down to
a dull roar for me is taking three Excedrine (or generic equiv.) waiting
a half hour, then taking two more. That's probably not great for a
person, but it's better than the alternative.

Yeah, I've been told I have a migraine. Been told it's caused by
stress - but no one can tell me what the stress is. I avoid
prescription meds of any type, if I can. Pain meds I avoid mainly
because I don't want to develop a tolerence for them, I want to reserve
them for when I may really need them.

Not tried Excedrine. Nor will I. The headache is better now,
which I put down to meditation. Most of the time I can just ignore it,
but if I think about it it's always there. Had a doctor tell me once
that I "couldn't" have a continuous headache, because I couldn't go to
sleep with it. Hah. I think I ignore it better now, because of the
meditation. But, if it gets worse, I sit down, get comfortable, and do
some of my style of meditation. Normally this will do it. If it
doesn't I'll go to bed, and go to sleep. So far that will make it
tolerable.

As an aside, when I go to a dentist, and the novocaine starts to
wear off before he's done drilling, and I start feeling it. I can
concentrate, and push the pain aside. Too often tho, the assistant
comes along and asks if I'm doing OK, breaking the concentration. Then
I usually can't concentrate enough again to drive the pain back again.
The good part is is's about over by that time, so don't have long to
suffer.

What I call meditation is a result of a lot of reading, a lot of
thinking, and a lot of trying. I figure there's some bio-feedback
involved somewhere too. Part of the reading was on relgions, which also
lead to my personal distaste for organized religions - for myself, I
have no problems with other people following one - and lead to my being
spiritual now, rather than religious. Which lead to the Woodworking
Gods too. LMAO Personally I think if more people would try some type
of meditaiton I think it could well help them in various ways.



JOAT
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength.
- Eric Hoffer

Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 6:09am (EST-3) (Robatoy) doth
quoteth:
Then there's the one, and I don't recall who said it but: "Whatever
doesn't kill you makes you stronger..unless it kills you." snip

I go with, "Whatever doesn't kill you usually hurts ike Hell".



JOAT
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength.
- Eric Hoffer

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:37:46 -0500, J T wrote:

Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 6:09am (EST-3) (Robatoy) doth
quoteth:
Then there's the one, and I don't recall who said it but: "Whatever
doesn't kill you makes you stronger..unless it kills you." snip

I go with, "Whatever doesn't kill you usually hurts ike Hell".


Whoever said "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger" has never been
seasick.

--
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to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:14:43 -0500, (J T)
wrote:

Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 1:46am (Wayne*K)
Try Alt.hvac to see what a harsh group is like. Ask a simple or complex
question and get called every name in the book. Makes me feel embarrased
to say I'm in the HVAC field with people representing it like those
asses.

I haven't visited there, but yeah, that would be an example of a
harsh group. If any of you wonder about rec.woodworking being one of
the politest newsgroups, go cruise a few newsgroups, and participate.



rec.travel is pretty harsh. Go over there and ask them (in separate
messages) about reclining your airline seat, and what about all those
nice children on board the airplane with you.

I hope you've got one of those silver protective suits that people
that fight serious fires wear.

Robatoy wrote:

Look at Limbaugh to see how stupid you can get from Oxycontin.

He doesn't need any help from Oxycontin.

Lew

Robatoy wrote:


: Look at Limbaugh to see how stupid you can get from Oxycontin.

I'm pretty sure he was that way before the Oxycontin.

-- Andy Barss

Andrew Barss wrote:
Robatoy wrote:


: Look at Limbaugh to see how stupid you can get from Oxycontin.

I'm pretty sure he was that way before the Oxycontin.

-- Andy Barss
One of my finest days occurred when the ACLU came to his aid with
keeping his medical records secret. Doesn't get much better than that.
mahalo,
jo4hn

J T wrote:

I haven't visited there, but yeah, that would be an example of a
harsh group. If any of you wonder about rec.woodworking being one of
the politest newsgroups, go cruise a few newsgroups, and participate.

They've gotten better over time but the Linux groups, here and on the
local BBS's, used to peel your skin off if you got a semi-colon wrong in
a 30 character command.

If they liked you, they'd simply respond with "RTFM". But most of the
time, they didn't like you.

This group can get rough, but I've gotten a lot quicker at plonking.

Besides which, responding to flame fests CAN make you think better and
WILL make you type faster. ;-)

Bill

--

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Mark & Juanita wrote:

As I mentioned in another part of this thread; I find the attempt to draw
a moral equivalence between alcohol and drugs, including mirijuana
puzzling. One can partake in alcohol without becoming drunk (i.e, wine
with dinner, etc); there is no equivalent for drug use. One uses those
substances for the sole express purpose of altering one's conscious state.

With all due deference, that's what the wine with dinner is for, too.


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Rod & Betty Jo wrote:

wayside....... Shall we conduct a WREC poll on how much "we" spend per year
on pot?.....zero here Rod

$23.00 here.
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you meant for the little peat things for the
tomatoes.

If you mean Mara Ja Wanna, yeah $0.00

Ut-oh ... between you and me, somebody is going to have to go around
swacked an awful lot to keep the averages up.


People who spend their spare time using fast, sharp, mechanized blades
seldom have a large marijuana bill.



Bill
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Dave Hall wrote:

Yeah, but how much do "we" spend on booze, a much more mind rotting
drug than pot and probably more likely to result in lazy,
intellectually shallow, drunken slob-like behavior.

Dave Hall


Ditto.


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Dave Hall wrote:

Dave Hall

(Who, by the way, spends zero dollars per year on either and doesn't
ingest either if offered for free)


Oops ... ditto to the ABOVE.

Bill

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Lew my good fellow, what the **** does marijuana have to do with
woodworking. Lighten up man and get your mind straight.
Think sawdust !!!!

Sat, Dec 23, 2006, 1:10am (EST-3) (Lare*S) doth
mumble:
Lew my good fellow, what the **** does marijuana have to do with
woodworking. Lighten up man and get your mind straight. Think sawdust
!!!!

When you're responding to someone, it's considered polite to say
who.

When you've been here for awhile, you'll know what it has to do
with woodworking.

If you don't know, this IS a family group, surely you can get your
point across without language like that in front of the women and kids.

I am thinking sawdust.



JOAT
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength.
- Eric Hoffer

Lare S wrote:

Lew my good fellow, what the **** does marijuana have to do with
woodworking. Lighten up man and get your mind straight.
Think sawdust !!!!

Absolutely nothing, that's why "O/T" appears in the subject line.

Happy Holidays.

Lew

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:41:39 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Robatoy wrote:

Look at Limbaugh to see how stupid you can get from Oxycontin.

He doesn't need any help from Oxycontin.

Agreed-

But, Oxycontin will mess a guy up just fine, regardless of the person.
My dad has been addicted to it (with prescription) for about 10 years
now, and he's well down the road of senility, even though he's not
even 50 yet. It's a real chore even trying to talk to the guy at this
point, he's so disconnected from reality.

My comments embedded....


Ol Pete wrote:
On 2006-12-20 09:50:56 -0600, Mark & Juanita
[snip]
Sure, drug legalization could occur
with this expressed intention and maybe for a few years would work that
way. However, the responsibility part will be slowly eroded. It will
start with good intentions, "What about the *children*, we can't hold
*them* responsible for their irresponsible parents' actions, can we?"

Gak, more interventionist nonsense to justify the concept that people's
lives belong to the state. Drugs are wildly legal and more widespread
than ever. Responsibility for anti-individual rights and
anti-capitalist legislation from republicans like their elimination of
responsibility for drug manufacturers and physicians as well as
monstrously huge welfare payments to drug companies and hospitals have
all made things much worse.

Mark & Juanita's statement above doesn't seem to be advocating
"interventionist nonsense." I think they are arguing AGAINST
intervention. Did I miss something?



I wonder what the chances are that you would ever take responsibility
for your life.

So
we'll get some form of parental aid for children of parents of addicts.
Then, "but they can't afford rehab, we have to *help* so they can
re-establish their lives", and voila!, another $100B + government program
will be born.

Yawn... not only is it a silly hypothetical founded on the myths of the
RNC, but the RNC program costs MUCH MORE. Putting people in prison for
their lives for not harming anyone is expensive and immoral.

Exactly which myths? The RNC "myths" seem to be truths to me. Hmmm.
Putting criminals in prison or not? I choose prison. If the laws are
broken, fix the laws, don't allow them to be broken because respect for
the law is extremely important. I have a feeling the "$100B program"
that mark & Juanita mentioned that triggered your vitriole, was
probably a little different than the one you imagine.



But you dodge the truth completely. The reason people aren't allowed to
self-medicate and the republicans and quasi-republican democrats push
forced medication in various forms is because they benefit financially
from it. Marijuana is used by such wild, crazy liberal organizations
like the Israeli military to treat soldiers with PTSD. It was
originally illegal because it was popular among the darkies, and now
because it is such an effective medicine.

That sounds like bovine feces to me. Ecomonic gain is not the reason
anyone pushes forced medication.

As a strict constructionist,

I've read hundreds of your posts, and like this one you demonstrate
that you are the opposite of a strict constructionist. I suppose it is
a label and a word that has had its meaning reversed like "left" and
"right." Today's right wingers have more in common with marxism than
anything else although it remains politically incorrect as a label.

Funny, I thought today's liberals were closer to Marxist.


the approach to drug enforcement bothers me.
The abuses of constitutional freedoms in pursuit of this enforcement are
frightening and, IMHO, are what civil libertarians should be focusing on
rather than the actions being taken to protect our country from the
terrorists who would kill or maim as many as possible if given the
opportunity.

LMAO. Yeah, don't worry, they're not bothering you right? Selfish and a
hypocrite of the lowest order. Great advice: don't follow principles
except against a threat that is close to meaningless that is other
than helping totalitarians take power. I sure am worried about
"terrorists." What a yawner.

As a matter of fact they are bothering me. I'm offended you think of my
party as totalitarian. It simply is not true. I do think your hyperbole
and extreme passion is a problem, though.

At the same time, having seen the devastation drug addiction
causes, simple legalization is also frightening. Trying to draw a moral
equivalence between drugs and alcohol is nonsense.
One can partake of
alcohol with no intent of getting drunk -- the same is not true of any use
of drugs.

Yo, simpleton, ALCOHOL IS A DRUG. Alcohol is the most devastating and
harmful drug in the US and probably the world. Your doltish, retarded
logic about "getting drunk" is contradicted by every piece of anecdotal
and medical literature in the world. Every person who has ever taken a
painkiller or used marijuana knows it is a grossly dishonest statement,
but I bet you don't give a damn. I bet it is just a convenient
rationalization to justify your immorality while you parade around
calling yourself a "strict constructionist." What monstrous bull****.

I don't even know mark or Juanita but your response is unfair to them.
If you take the problems created by alchohol per drinker, it's less
than th eproblems created by users of other drugs, per user. The only
reason you can claim that alchohol is the world's most harmful drug is
because far far more peopel use it so in absolute numbers you're
correct. However, if all those people swithed to another drug, problems
would increase.

I like your academic adjectives and terms: "montrous bull****." That's
constructive.




In addition, while it is true that some are genetically
pre-disposed toward alcoholism, there are drugs for which addiction
following only a few "doses" is a near certainty for anyone trying those
substance, thus making them readily available is likely to ensnare many who
only experiment with them once.

Yawn... you sound like you are posting drunk.

Oh come on. They don't sound drunk. You do. Mark & Juanita have a good
point there. It is consistent with thigs I've seen on the discovery
channel, news, magazines, etc. Are you saying all of them are
incorrect. Oh wait, it's a giant conspiracy of the RNC to make more
money. You didn't have a good response so you accuse them of being
drunk?

On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:56:07 -0600, Ol Pete wrote:

On 2006-12-20 09:50:56 -0600, Mark & Juanita

The only problem I see with this is that our society is (unfortunately)
not "wired" for this kind of attitude towards holding people accountable
for consequences of their own actions.

Society is not "wired"?

Was a bit quicker than typing the fact that socialist "do-gooders"
utilize the power of the state to implement "feel-good" solutions for
perceived problems under the guise of "charity". Unfortunately, it's other
peoples' money they use for that "charity".

.... snip
As a strict constructionist,

I've read hundreds of your posts, and like this one you demonstrate
that you are the opposite of a strict constructionist. I suppose it is
a label and a word that has had its meaning reversed like "left" and
"right." Today's right wingers have more in common with marxism than
anything else although it remains politically incorrect as a label.


Suggest you look up and truly digest the meanings of the words,
"capitalism, totalitarianism, and marxism". Then study some historical
context: study the history of the October revolution, the expropriation of
private property, the gulags, the WWII era, and the various actions of
those marxist totalitarian states. Then spend some time reading and
understanding the events that transpired on 9/11, the various teachings of
the Taliban, Al Queda, and Iran's little re-incarnation of a certain German
dictator. After you have educated yourself on the historical context of
the various phrases you throw around with abandon in your post above, get
back with us here and we can have a meaningful discussion. Until that
point, any further conversation would be useless as you seem to want to
throw out terms as invectives, giving those words whatever meaning you
intend them to have.

.... snip of more meaningless yapping.



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