I see every manufacturer is coming out with "Hybrid" tablesaws. Is this
just a contractor saw with a closed base? Do you align it by whacking
the trunnions (like a contractor saw) or by adjusting the table (like a
cabinet saw)? Is there an advantage to the owning one of these?

-jj

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"JJ" wrote in message
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I see every manufacturer is coming out with "Hybrid" tablesaws. Is this
just a contractor saw with a closed base? Do you align it by whacking the
trunnions (like a contractor saw) or by adjusting the table (like a cabinet
saw)? Is there an advantage to the owning one of these?

I did this once and my damned mouse twitched, so let's try again.

The hybrid table saw offers some advantages, and one disadvantage, in
relation to contractor's saw. Make that two disadvantages: it also costs
more. It is heavier and hard to move. Otherwise, the hybrid has 1-1/2 to
1-3/4 HP, usually, an enclosed motor, and at least a partially enclosed base
(the Craftsman models include one that has a completely enclosed base, but
the first hybrid, the DeWalt, still offers only a half enclosed base, as
does the Jet). The top is adjusted like that on a cabinet saw, not like that
on a contractor's saw. This combines with the slightly smaller footprint and
the greater weight to be major advantages. And yes, I do remember that I
noted above that the heavier weight is a disadvantage in relation to
contractor's saws. Think about it for a bit.

The enclosed or partially enclosed base means the saw MUST have a TEFC
motor, but it also means that dust collection can be a lot more efficient
than it is on any contractor's saw.

I've got the Craftsman top of the line, and am very satisfied with it. The
Biesemeyer fence helps a great deal. I'm told that most of the people who
worked on the Craftsman design used to work for Delta, and the saw shows it.
Even the Unisaw table insert fits.

If you decide to get one, compare features carefully, because where there
used to be one, there are about seven at this time.

"Charles Self" wrote in message
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"JJ" wrote in message
...
I see every manufacturer is coming out with "Hybrid" tablesaws. Is this
just a contractor saw with a closed base? Do you align it by whacking the
trunnions (like a contractor saw) or by adjusting the table (like a
cabinet saw)? Is there an advantage to the owning one of these?

I did this once and my damned mouse twitched, so let's try again.

The hybrid table saw offers some advantages, and one disadvantage, in
relation to contractor's saw. Make that two disadvantages: it also costs
more. It is heavier and hard to move. Otherwise, the hybrid has 1-1/2 to
1-3/4 HP, usually, an enclosed motor, and at least a partially enclosed
base (the Craftsman models include one that has a completely enclosed
base, but the first hybrid, the DeWalt, still offers only a half enclosed
base, as does the Jet). The top is adjusted like that on a cabinet saw,
not like that on a contractor's saw. This combines with the slightly
smaller footprint and the greater weight to be major advantages. And yes,
I do remember that I noted above that the heavier weight is a disadvantage
in relation to contractor's saws. Think about it for a bit.

If it is enclosed like a cabinet saw, and the top adjusts like a cabinet
saw, then why isn't it a cabinet saw; albeit one with a small motor?

I assumed (without actually verifying my assumptions) that they are enclosed
like cabinet saw, but have trunnions like a contractors saw.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:20:11 GMT, "Charles Self"
wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
.. .
I see every manufacturer is coming out with "Hybrid" tablesaws. Is this
just a contractor saw with a closed base? Do you align it by whacking the
trunnions (like a contractor saw) or by adjusting the table (like a cabinet
saw)? Is there an advantage to the owning one of these?

I did this once and my damned mouse twitched, so let's try again.

The hybrid table saw offers some advantages, and one disadvantage, in
relation to contractor's saw. Make that two disadvantages: it also costs
more. It is heavier and hard to move. Otherwise, the hybrid has 1-1/2 to
1-3/4 HP, usually, an enclosed motor, and at least a partially enclosed base
(the Craftsman models include one that has a completely enclosed base, but
the first hybrid, the DeWalt, still offers only a half enclosed base, as
does the Jet). The top is adjusted like that on a cabinet saw, not like that
on a contractor's saw. This combines with the slightly smaller footprint and
the greater weight to be major advantages. And yes, I do remember that I
noted above that the heavier weight is a disadvantage in relation to
contractor's saws. Think about it for a bit.

The enclosed or partially enclosed base means the saw MUST have a TEFC
motor, but it also means that dust collection can be a lot more efficient
than it is on any contractor's saw.

I've got the Craftsman top of the line, and am very satisfied with it. The
Biesemeyer fence helps a great deal. I'm told that most of the people who
worked on the Craftsman design used to work for Delta, and the saw shows it.
Even the Unisaw table insert fits.

Probably an Orion design. A handful of the best from Delta who did
not want to relocate when the Company was consolidated with PC.


If you decide to get one, compare features carefully, because where there
used to be one, there are about seven at this time.

Does yours have a Contractor mechanical design (trunion/tiebar
carriage assembly attached to the table)? Do all the hybrids or are
there design differences?

If it is enclosed like a cabinet saw, and the top adjusts like a cabinet
saw, then why isn't it a cabinet saw; albeit one with a small motor?

Because it has a contractor saw trunnion. And not all Hybrids adjust the
top like the cabinet saw. I only know of the Craftsman that has a cabinet
mounted trunnion. The Delta has a top mounted trunnion like a contractors
saw. Not sure about the others.

You really should check out www.woodnet.net forums. This same subject gets
beat to death every 6 months or so on that site. Should be lots of info
there. Especially the Delta vs. Craftsman debate.

Darrell

Probably an Orion design. A handful of the best from Delta who did
not want to relocate when the Company was consolidated with PC.

You are correct, sir. The Craftsman hybrids are made by Orion.

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:20:11 GMT, "Charles Self"
wrote:

"JJ" wrote in message
. ..
I see every manufacturer is coming out with "Hybrid" tablesaws. Is this
just a contractor saw with a closed base? Do you align it by whacking the
trunnions (like a contractor saw) or by adjusting the table (like a
cabinet
saw)? Is there an advantage to the owning one of these?

I did this once and my damned mouse twitched, so let's try again.

The hybrid table saw offers some advantages, and one disadvantage, in
relation to contractor's saw. Make that two disadvantages: it also costs
more. It is heavier and hard to move. Otherwise, the hybrid has 1-1/2 to
1-3/4 HP, usually, an enclosed motor, and at least a partially enclosed
base
(the Craftsman models include one that has a completely enclosed base, but
the first hybrid, the DeWalt, still offers only a half enclosed base, as
does the Jet). The top is adjusted like that on a cabinet saw, not like
that
on a contractor's saw. This combines with the slightly smaller footprint
and
the greater weight to be major advantages. And yes, I do remember that I
noted above that the heavier weight is a disadvantage in relation to
contractor's saws. Think about it for a bit.

The enclosed or partially enclosed base means the saw MUST have a TEFC
motor, but it also means that dust collection can be a lot more efficient
than it is on any contractor's saw.

I've got the Craftsman top of the line, and am very satisfied with it. The
Biesemeyer fence helps a great deal. I'm told that most of the people who
worked on the Craftsman design used to work for Delta, and the saw shows
it.
Even the Unisaw table insert fits.

Probably an Orion design. A handful of the best from Delta who did
not want to relocate when the Company was consolidated with PC.


If you decide to get one, compare features carefully, because where there
used to be one, there are about seven at this time.

Does yours have a Contractor mechanical design (trunion/tiebar
carriage assembly attached to the table)? Do all the hybrids or are
there design differences?

There are design differences. A couple of the magazines have had articles on
hybrids--Workbench, I know--but I think even down the Craftsman line there
are differences of more than cabinet skirting and fences.

Probably an Orion design. A handful of the best from Delta who did
not want to relocate when the Company was consolidated with PC.

http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/ez.../interview.cfm

Probably an Orion design. A handful of the best from Delta who did
not want to relocate when the Company was consolidated with PC.

http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/ez.../interview.cfm

"Darrell Dorsey" wrote in message
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If it is enclosed like a cabinet saw, and the top adjusts like a cabinet
saw, then why isn't it a cabinet saw; albeit one with a small motor?

Because it has a contractor saw trunnion. And not all Hybrids adjust the
top like the cabinet saw. I only know of the Craftsman that has a cabinet
mounted trunnion. The Delta has a top mounted trunnion like a contractors
saw. Not sure about the others.

The DeWalt has table mounted trunnions as well. I have one and I rather
like it. Granted I bought it used and in need of fence rails. I put a
Biesemeyer commercial with the 50" rip capacity on it and it made one fine
saw. Of course, were I buying new, I would get the Grizzly cabinet saw for
pretty much the same money.

Charlie

Grizzly is now also offering a hybrid saw.

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"Charlie Mraz" wrote in message
...
"Darrell Dorsey" wrote in message
ervers.com...
If it is enclosed like a cabinet saw, and the top adjusts like a
cabinet
saw, then why isn't it a cabinet saw; albeit one with a small motor?

Because it has a contractor saw trunnion. And not all Hybrids adjust
the
top like the cabinet saw. I only know of the Craftsman that has a
cabinet
mounted trunnion. The Delta has a top mounted trunnion like a
contractors
saw. Not sure about the others.

The DeWalt has table mounted trunnions as well. I have one and I rather
like it. Granted I bought it used and in need of fence rails. I put a
Biesemeyer commercial with the 50" rip capacity on it and it made one fine
saw. Of course, were I buying new, I would get the Grizzly cabinet saw
for
pretty much the same money.

Charlie

"Charles Self" wrote in message
...
I did this once and my damned mouse twitched, so let's try again.

The hybrid table saw offers some advantages, and one disadvantage, in
relation to contractor's saw. Make that two disadvantages: it also costs
more. It is heavier and hard to move. Otherwise, the hybrid has 1-1/2 to
1-3/4 HP, usually, an enclosed motor, and at least a partially enclosed
base (the Craftsman models include one that has a completely enclosed
base, but the first hybrid, the DeWalt, still offers only a half enclosed
base, as does the Jet). The top is adjusted like that on a cabinet saw,
not like that on a contractor's saw. This combines with the slightly
smaller footprint and the greater weight to be major advantages. And yes,
I do remember that I noted above that the heavier weight is a disadvantage
in relation to contractor's saws. Think about it for a bit.

The enclosed or partially enclosed base means the saw MUST have a TEFC
motor, but it also means that dust collection can be a lot more efficient
than it is on any contractor's saw.

I've got the Craftsman top of the line, and am very satisfied with it. The
Biesemeyer fence helps a great deal. I'm told that most of the people who
worked on the Craftsman design used to work for Delta, and the saw shows
it. Even the Unisaw table insert fits.

If you decide to get one, compare features carefully, because where there
used to be one, there are about seven at this time.


The DeWalt, at least, does NOT adjust the top like a true cabinet saw. The
trunnions are hung from the top, and to adjust the top-to-blade
relationship, you must loosen the bolts and whack the trunnion.

Charles Self wrote:
"JJ" wrote in message
...

I see every manufacturer is coming out with "Hybrid" tablesaws. Is this
just a contractor saw with a closed base? Do you align it by whacking the
trunnions (like a contractor saw) or by adjusting the table (like a cabinet
saw)? Is there an advantage to the owning one of these?


I did this once and my damned mouse twitched, so let's try again.

The hybrid table saw offers some advantages, and one disadvantage, in
relation to contractor's saw. Make that two disadvantages: it also costs
more. It is heavier and hard to move. Otherwise, the hybrid has 1-1/2 to
1-3/4 HP, usually, an enclosed motor, and at least a partially enclosed base
(the Craftsman models include one that has a completely enclosed base, but
the first hybrid, the DeWalt, still offers only a half enclosed base, as
does the Jet). The top is adjusted like that on a cabinet saw, not like that
on a contractor's saw. This combines with the slightly smaller footprint and
the greater weight to be major advantages. And yes, I do remember that I
noted above that the heavier weight is a disadvantage in relation to
contractor's saws. Think about it for a bit.

The enclosed or partially enclosed base means the saw MUST have a TEFC
motor, but it also means that dust collection can be a lot more efficient
than it is on any contractor's saw.

I've got the Craftsman top of the line, and am very satisfied with it. The
Biesemeyer fence helps a great deal. I'm told that most of the people who
worked on the Craftsman design used to work for Delta, and the saw shows it.
Even the Unisaw table insert fits.

If you decide to get one, compare features carefully, because where there
used to be one, there are about seven at this time.


Charles,

What is the model number of your Craftsman hybrid? Is it a OR35504? I
have a chance to pick up a slightly used one (offered for $750). It has
the extended warranty still on it through Jan, 2010. If he yakes $700,
would this be a good deal?

-jj

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In article ,
says...
Grizzly is now also offering a hybrid saw.

Does anyone have any information (other than what's in their
catalog/site) on this saw? I was considering one of their
contractors saws but this looks interesting. I don't look forward
to moving a cabinet saw into the basement (and out even less) so
wasn't really considering one, but ~300lbs _might_ work.

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"JJ" wrote in message
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Charles Self wrote:
"JJ" wrote in message
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I see every manufacturer is coming out with "Hybrid" tablesaws. Is this
just a contractor saw with a closed base? Do you align it by whacking the
trunnions (like a contractor saw) or by adjusting the table (like a
cabinet saw)? Is there an advantage to the owning one of these?


I did this once and my damned mouse twitched, so let's try again.

The hybrid table saw offers some advantages, and one disadvantage, in
relation to contractor's saw. Make that two disadvantages: it also costs
more. It is heavier and hard to move. Otherwise, the hybrid has 1-1/2 to
1-3/4 HP, usually, an enclosed motor, and at least a partially enclosed
base (the Craftsman models include one that has a completely enclosed
base, but the first hybrid, the DeWalt, still offers only a half enclosed
base, as does the Jet). The top is adjusted like that on a cabinet saw,
not like that on a contractor's saw. This combines with the slightly
smaller footprint and the greater weight to be major advantages. And yes,
I do remember that I noted above that the heavier weight is a
disadvantage in relation to contractor's saws. Think about it for a bit.

The enclosed or partially enclosed base means the saw MUST have a TEFC
motor, but it also means that dust collection can be a lot more efficient
than it is on any contractor's saw.

I've got the Craftsman top of the line, and am very satisfied with it.
The Biesemeyer fence helps a great deal. I'm told that most of the people
who worked on the Craftsman design used to work for Delta, and the saw
shows it. Even the Unisaw table insert fits.

If you decide to get one, compare features carefully, because where there
used to be one, there are about seven at this time.
Charles,

What is the model number of your Craftsman hybrid? Is it a OR35504? I have
a chance to pick up a slightly used one (offered for $750). It has the
extended warranty still on it through Jan, 2010. If he yakes $700, would
this be a good deal?


I don't know what the model number is: it is, or was, the top of the line
model when it came out, and has the Biesemeyer fence. I don't think the line
has changed, but this AT&T set up makes it difficult to check. I'll try.

Yes, that's the correct model number. Much depends on the condition, but for
one in excellent shape with the extended warranty, I'd say $700 is a fair
price.

It's a good saw, more than enough for 99.7% of hobbyists need, unless they
get into cutting a lot of 8/4 and up oak, maple and hickory. The Leitz blade
it comes with is good, too.

What is the model number of your Craftsman hybrid? Is it a OR35504? I
have a chance to pick up a slightly used one (offered for $750). It has
the extended warranty still on it through Jan, 2010. If he yakes $700,
would this be a good deal?

There are 3 models in the line. The low end one that I have (sells for
around $550) is Sears model number 22104 and Orion model number 35506.

The middle of the range model with the same guts as mine but a fancier fence
and miter gauge and cast iron rather than stamped steel wings (sells for
around $650) is Sears model number 22114 and Orion model number 35505.

The top of the line model with more horsepower, Beis fence, etc., (sells for
around $1000) which I believe is the one Charlie has, is Sears model number
22124 and Orion model number 35504.

So, offhand, I'd say if you can get it for $700 you'll probably be doing
alright.

Lee


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