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Charlie Self
....is now home after spending 10 days and $40,000 of his insurance company's
money while in hospital. His description of the ordeal is not pretty. Please welcome him home. -- Bob "Outside your camp you shall have a place set aside to be used as a latrine. You shall keep a trowel in your equipment and with it, when you go outside to ease nature, you shall first dig a hole and afterward cover up your excrement." Deuteronomy 23: 13-14 |
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"Bob Schmall" wrote in
: ...is now home after spending 10 days and $40,000 of his insurance company's money while in hospital. His description of the ordeal is not pretty. Please welcome him home. Charlie, Best wishes for a speedy recovery! Hope to see you posting again soon. Regards, JT |
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In article ,
"Bob Schmall" wrote: ...is now home after spending 10 days and $40,000 of his insurance company's money while in hospital. His description of the ordeal is not pretty. Please welcome him home. Welcome home, Charlie. Stay away from the Stella and frites, eh? |
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"Bob Schmall" wrote in
: ...is now home after spending 10 days and $40,000 of his insurance company's money while in hospital. His description of the ordeal is not pretty. Please welcome him home. If it was only $40k, he must not have been very sick! Get well, Charlie! Enjoy being home. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get back to the rat race. Patriarch |
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In article , Bob Schmall
wrote: Please welcome him home. Glad you're out of hospital, Charlie. Them places is full of sick people! -- ~ Stay Calm... Be Brave... Wait for the Signs ~ ------------------------------------------------------ One site: http://www.balderstone.ca The other site, with ww linkshttp://www.woodenwabbits.com |
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Patriarch wrote: "Bob Schmall" wrote in : ...is now home after spending 10 days and $40,000 of his insurance company's money while in hospital. His description of the ordeal is not pretty. Please welcome him home. If it was only $40k, he must not have been very sick! Get well, Charlie! Enjoy being home. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get back to the rat race. Patriarch VA prices to Medicare. The joys of aging. You do NOT want to know the cost of a single cardiac intensive care day. Great care, but if you're paying for it, you're probably better off dead. There is something seriously out of whack with the system. |
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Greetings and Salutations....
On 2 May 2005 08:31:23 -0700, "Charlie Self" wrote: Patriarch wrote: "Bob Schmall" wrote in : ...is now home after spending 10 days and $40,000 of his insurance company's money while in hospital. His description of the ordeal is not pretty. Please welcome him home. If it was only $40k, he must not have been very sick! Get well, Charlie! Enjoy being home. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get back to the rat race. Patriarch VA prices to Medicare. The joys of aging. You do NOT want to know the cost of a single cardiac intensive care day. Great care, but if you're paying for it, you're probably better off dead. There is something seriously out of whack with the system. First off, glad to see that you are on the road to recovery! Good luck and with luck, you will avoid major problems for a LONG time! As for the system being out of whack...a big thumbs up to that. There is something obscene about America, one of the richest countries in the world, having a health care system that is so expensive that a vast majority of its citizens cannot afford to get care from it. Alas, it is a complicated problem. One factor is that health care became a profit center some years ago...and in ANY business, when that happens, the focus shifts from providing the service or goods to minimizing costs and maximizing the amount of money pumped to the investors. One factor is the legal system. While I am not entirely sure that malpractice awards ARE the huge burden that some would have us believe, there are those costs. Another factor is the fact that the average American seems to believe that (a) All medical procedures have to return them to perfection and (b) it's someone else's fault. This creates the demands for lawyers and the suits filed in the courts. This leads to the huge costs of malpractice insurance for the medical profession. WHen the insurance companies became "for profit" organizations, they, too, ceased to perform their true function - of spreading the risk around through a huge population, thereby ensuring that no one would be wiped out by a catastrophic illness or accident - and became money pumps for investors. So...they crank up the costs of insurance to the point that they can be assured that they not only do not suffer any pains on the rare times that they end up having to pay something out, but, they actively work to avoid paying out claims by finding ways to void that coverage or to minimize the amount they DO have to pay out. Look at the profit figures published by the companies. "Profit" for an insurance company means cash that they have NOT paid out to help folks get over accidents, get medicines, etc, but, HAVE paid to investors, whose only problem is that they are only making $0.10/share, instead of $0.50/share. Ok...I will stop ranting now...and go back to my original theme of wishing Charlie a speedy and complete recovery, so we can continue to enjoy his valuable contributions to the group... Regards Dave Mundt |
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Dave Mundt wrote:
snip of rant Ok...I will stop ranting now...and go back to my original theme of wishing Charlie a speedy and complete recovery, so we can continue to enjoy his valuable contributions to the group... You've forgotten a huge one in this area. Free medical care for any and all. As long as they aren't from the US or working for a living. We have piles of people flown in from all over the world with their med hx and the cab fare to the hospital. Or the ones who come to visit every time the want free drugs and hot & cold running nurses. /rant off Dave in Fairfax -- Dave Leader reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.Patinatools.org/ |
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Charlie Self wrote:
Patriarch wrote: "Bob Schmall" wrote in : ...is now home after spending 10 days and $40,000 of his insurance company's money while in hospital. His description of the ordeal is not pretty. Please welcome him home. If it was only $40k, he must not have been very sick! Get well, Charlie! Enjoy being home. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get back to the rat race. Patriarch VA prices to Medicare. The joys of aging. You do NOT want to know the cost of a single cardiac intensive care day. Great care, but if you're paying for it, you're probably better off dead. There is something seriously out of whack with the system. I think that current health care keeps you alive, it justs makes you wish you were dead! |
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"Dave Mundt" wrote in message ... Alas, it is a complicated problem. One factor is that health care became a profit center some years ago...and in ANY business, when that happens, the focus shifts from providing the service or goods to minimizing costs and maximizing the amount of money pumped to the investors. Health care - no matter what form it took, has always been a "profit center". Even the family doctor of old who holds such an emotional place in our imaginations, was in it for the profit. Profit all by iteslf is not contrary to good health care. One factor is the legal system. While I am not entirely sure that malpractice awards ARE the huge burden that some would have us believe, there are those costs. I would be inclined to agree that malpractice is not the problem the health care industry would have us believe. Certainly, there is some problem within that industry which the industry should be held accountable to and for which significant awards have been made, but like you, I question what percentage of the take this really represents. Another factor is the fact that the average American seems to believe that (a) All medical procedures have to return them to perfection and (b) it's someone else's fault. This creates the demands for lawyers and the suits filed in the courts. Not so sure I agree with this point at all. This leads to the huge costs of malpractice insurance for the medical profession. WHen the insurance companies became "for profit" organizations, they, too, ceased to perform their true function - of spreading the risk around through a huge population, thereby ensuring that no one would be wiped out by a catastrophic illness or accident - and became money pumps for investors. Insurance companies have *always* been a for profit venture. They did this by spreading risk, but it has always been for the purpose of profit and not for any other reason. So...they crank up the costs of insurance to the point that they can be assured that they not only do not suffer any pains on the rare times that they end up having to pay something out, but, they actively work to avoid paying out claims by finding ways to void that coverage or to minimize the amount they DO have to pay out. Look at the profit figures published by the companies. "Profit" for an insurance company means cash that they have NOT paid out to help folks get over accidents, get medicines, etc, but, HAVE paid to investors, whose only problem is that they are only making $0.10/share, instead of $0.50/share. Alas - the fundamental principle of profit. Not so different from what everyone with a 401K expects from the companies that their money is invested in. -- -Mike- |
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On 2 May 2005 08:31:23 -0700, "Charlie Self"
wrote: There is something seriously out of whack with the system. Yup. Politicians. jmac |
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"lgb" wrote in message ... In article , says... Health care - no matter what form it took, has always been a "profit center". Even the family doctor of old who holds such an emotional place in our imaginations, was in it for the profit. Profit all by iteslf is not contrary to good health care. Being old enough to remember family doctors making house calls, and hanging quarantine signs, I disput the profit motive. I'm sure there were some thus motivated, but I personally knew one who practiced where payment was in corn, chickens, and the occasional crumpled dollar. And several who opted for low incomes by practicing in rural and small city areas and setting their prices to what people could afford. Insurance companies have *always* been a for profit venture. They did this by spreading risk, but it has always been for the purpose of profit and not for any other reason. Also not true. The first insurance companies were cooperative ventures of "spreading the risk" among merchants. They were protecting their profits, but the "company" per se made no profits. Indeed, the "Blues," which began as the insurer of last resort are a not-for-profit outfit here in MI. They tried to change it, but got whacked soundly. OTOH, hospitals which are not-for-profit have a way of expanding endlessly into new markets and growing in equipment in order to spend the money that would otherwise show as "profit," and cause them to get whacked. |
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