To those with problems:


It's just jibberish. Try posting w/o yEnc. I can usually read yEnc, so
maybe it's something else that messing it up. At any rate it's just
noise at this point...
--
Kevin Miller
Juneau, Alaska
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
"In the history of the world, no one has ever washed a rented car."
- Lawrence Summers

I can usually read yEnc.....

Usually? What else do you use?
I downloaded them here fine.
-J

--------

yEnc doesn't work so well in this group. A lot of regulars don't use
newsreaders that can handle it. Try reposting without the yEnc.
--
-Mike-


From what I've seen in the past, many claiming problems aren't
using newsreaders but email clients.
Follow the link in the text post - it will get you close.
-J

On 5/4/2012 10:12 PM, Joe wrote:
To those with problems:
From what I've seen in the past, many claiming problems aren't
using newsreaders but email clients.

Why do people who post in yEnc get so damn defiant and unhelpful when people
are unable to read what they've posted? I've seen this a zillion times. You
KNOW you're posting in a format that a considerable number of people aren't
going to be able to read, yet you do it anyway, and when people have trouble
your only answer is to tell them to get a REAL newsreader. Yeah thanks, that's
REAL helpful.

Follow the link in the text post - it will get you close.
-J

What link in what text post?

--
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To reply, eat the taco.
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On Sun, 06 May 2012 13:43:36 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

On 5/4/2012 10:12 PM, Joe wrote:
To those with problems:
From what I've seen in the past, many claiming problems aren't
using newsreaders but email clients.

Why do people who post in yEnc get so damn defiant and unhelpful when people
are unable to read what they've posted? I've seen this a zillion times.

Because they are arrogant little pricks that think they are superior.
I just pass on them.

KNOW you're posting in a format that a considerable number of people aren't
going to be able to read, yet you do it anyway, and when people have trouble
your only answer is to tell them to get a REAL newsreader.

And in the end, it just doesn't make any sense. You post your work for
others to see. It's only common sense to post in format that the most
people can read. That isn't yEnc. It may be some day, but certainly
not now.

On 5/6/2012 1:43 PM, Steve Turner wrote:

Why do people who post in yEnc get so damn defiant and unhelpful when
people are unable to read what they've posted? I've seen this a zillion
times. You KNOW you're posting in a format that a considerable number of
people aren't going to be able to read, yet you do it anyway, and when
people have trouble your only answer is to tell them to get a REAL
newsreader. Yeah thanks, that's REAL helpful.

+1

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On Sun, 06 May 2012 13:43:36 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

On 5/4/2012 10:12 PM, Joe wrote:
To those with problems:
From what I've seen in the past, many claiming problems aren't
using newsreaders but email clients.

Why do people who post in yEnc get so damn defiant and unhelpful when people
are unable to read what they've posted? I've seen this a zillion times. You
KNOW you're posting in a format that a considerable number of people aren't
going to be able to read, yet you do it anyway, and when people have trouble
your only answer is to tell them to get a REAL newsreader. Yeah thanks, that's
REAL helpful.

Follow the link in the text post - it will get you close.
-J

What link in what text post?

I think ir might be that many posters have no idea what format their
news group software posts in i.e. The "default" format.

My reader software (Agent) handles everything seamlesly. I don't post
many pics, but if I did, I'd accept the default.

On 5/6/2012 1:43 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
On 5/4/2012 10:12 PM, Joe wrote:
To those with problems:
From what I've seen in the past, many claiming problems aren't
using newsreaders but email clients.

Why do people who post in yEnc get so damn defiant and unhelpful when
people are unable to read what they've posted? I've seen this a zillion
times.


Because they are challenged and lazy, they don't know how to post.

Too bad, cannot see this file picture.
try a jpeg.
yenc.

"Joe" wrote in message ...


To those with problems:


It's just jibberish. Try posting w/o yEnc. I can usually read yEnc, so
maybe it's something else that messing it up. At any rate it's just
noise at this point...
--
Kevin Miller
Juneau, Alaska
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
"In the history of the world, no one has ever washed a rented car."
- Lawrence Summers

I can usually read yEnc.....

Usually? What else do you use?
I downloaded them here fine.
-J

--------

yEnc doesn't work so well in this group. A lot of regulars don't use
newsreaders that can handle it. Try reposting without the yEnc.
--
-Mike-


From what I've seen in the past, many claiming problems aren't
using newsreaders but email clients.
Follow the link in the text post - it will get you close.
-J

On Mon, 7 May 2012 06:24:53 -0700, "jloomis"
wrote:

Too bad, cannot see this file picture.
try a jpeg.
yenc.

"Joe" wrote in message ...


To those with problems:


It's just jibberish. Try posting w/o yEnc. I can usually read yEnc, so
maybe it's something else that messing it up. At any rate it's just
noise at this point...
--
Kevin Miller
Juneau, Alaska
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
"In the history of the world, no one has ever washed a rented car."
- Lawrence Summers

I can usually read yEnc.....

Usually? What else do you use?
I downloaded them here fine.
-J

--------

yEnc doesn't work so well in this group. A lot of regulars don't use
newsreaders that can handle it. Try reposting without the yEnc.

This is the ONLY group that still has complaints about yEnc.
All of Usenet should go back a decade and post in a dead
format because the "regulars' here are just too damn lazy
or defiant to go with the 99.9%.

You still drive a horse and buggy? Have that new fangled
'lecrticty' in your shop? What a bunch of whiners!

No wonder this group has dwindled away. Every time
someone tries to share their work,posting in now standard
formats. they are met with snide comments and complaints.

No matter how many times you say yEnc in NOT standard,
try going to any other binairy group and you will discover,
oh horrors!!, more yEnc. It's taken over the world.

Geesh~~~~!

On 5/7/2012 5:27 PM, Darian wrote:

No matter how many times you say yEnc in NOT standard,

Even the developer admitted that yenc is not a "standard" to the point
that years ago he advocated that it be included in MIME.

try going to any other binairy group and you will discover,
oh horrors!!, more yEnc. It's taken over the world.

What's taken over the world for _file sharing_ is bit torrent; it is
UseNet, and yenc, that that has been left behind ... far behind.

Once again, those that use it here need to understand they are at the
peril of having their content ignored by the majority of the few posters
left.

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Last update: 4/15/2010
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On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:27:04 -0400, Darian wrote:
This is the ONLY group that still has complaints about yEnc.
All of Usenet should go back a decade and post in a dead
format because the "regulars' here are just too damn lazy
or defiant to go with the 99.9%.

Woodworkers post their projects here for all to see. If someone wants
to show off their work, it's only common sense to post it in a format
that the most people can see.

What is there about that concept that you don't understand?

On 5/7/2012 6:37 PM, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:27:04 -0400, wrote:
This is the ONLY group that still has complaints about yEnc.
All of Usenet should go back a decade and post in a dead
format because the "regulars' here are just too damn lazy
or defiant to go with the 99.9%.

Woodworkers post their projects here for all to see. If someone wants
to show off their work, it's only common sense to post it in a format
that the most people can see.

What is there about that concept that you don't understand?

He obviously does not know how to create a jpg file.

On Tue, 08 May 2012 07:04:24 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/7/2012 6:37 PM, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:27:04 -0400, wrote:
This is the ONLY group that still has complaints about yEnc.
All of Usenet should go back a decade and post in a dead
format because the "regulars' here are just too damn lazy
or defiant to go with the 99.9%.

Woodworkers post their projects here for all to see. If someone wants
to show off their work, it's only common sense to post it in a format
that the most people can see.

What is there about that concept that you don't understand?

He obviously does not know how to create a jpg file.

And YOU obviously don't know how to view one!

On Mon, 07 May 2012 19:37:45 -0400, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:27:04 -0400, Darian wrote:
This is the ONLY group that still has complaints about yEnc.
All of Usenet should go back a decade and post in a dead
format because the "regulars' here are just too damn lazy
or defiant to go with the 99.9%.

Woodworkers post their projects here for all to see. If someone wants
to show off their work, it's only common sense to post it in a format
that the most people can see.

What is there about that concept that you don't understand?

The MOST people can see? What, a handful of grabby REGULARS?
That's funny...

On Tue, 08 May 2012 08:41:57 -0400, Darian wrote:
What is there about that concept that you don't understand?

The MOST people can see? What, a handful of grabby REGULARS?
That's funny...

Those regulars are close to 100% of the people here. Guess you're not
bright enough to know any differently.

Condolences.

go to alt.binaries.photos.original
99% of all the posters post in jpeg.
one in 500 may post a yenc.
These are mostly professional photographers and amateurs who enjoy sharing
their pictures with everyone else.
That is the simple matter.
If you can fill me in on how I can see Yenc, I would be more than happy.
I have Newsguy for a newsreader, and use a Windows 7
What steps would I need to see Yenc.
I admit, I am not the most knowledgeable about computer in many aspects and
do stumble.
jloomis

"Darian" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 07 May 2012 19:37:45 -0400, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:27:04 -0400, Darian wrote:
This is the ONLY group that still has complaints about yEnc.
All of Usenet should go back a decade and post in a dead
format because the "regulars' here are just too damn lazy
or defiant to go with the 99.9%.

Woodworkers post their projects here for all to see. If someone wants
to show off their work, it's only common sense to post it in a format
that the most people can see.

What is there about that concept that you don't understand?

The MOST people can see? What, a handful of grabby REGULARS?
That's funny...

"Darian" babbled this bull****

The MOST people can see? What, a handful of grabby REGULARS?
That's funny...

Gee, the regulars are the guys who give the good advise and provide all
kinds of expertise. Any you want to **** them off? Hardly a good move.
But, then again, you obviously don't want anybody to view your work or give
any good advice. You must be a legend in your own mind. Nobody will accuse
you of having any social skills or intelligence.

Why did you post here? Just curious.

I use Thunderbird on Linux to read mail and newsgroups. That's as open
and standard as it gets. But I can't decipher the yenc format. Heck, I
hadn't even heard of it til now. Do I need a plugin or something?
Helpful advice would go a lot further in getting us to support your
format than sarcasm will.

John S.

On 05/07/2012 05:27 PM, Darian wrote:
On Mon, 7 May 2012 06:24:53 -0700,
wrote:

Too bad, cannot see this file picture.
try a jpeg.
yenc.

"Joe" wrote in message ...


To those with problems:


It's just jibberish. Try posting w/o yEnc. I can usually read yEnc, so
maybe it's something else that messing it up. At any rate it's just
noise at this point...
--
Kevin Miller
Juneau, Alaska
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
"In the history of the world, no one has ever washed a rented car."
- Lawrence Summers

I can usually read yEnc.....

Usually? What else do you use?
I downloaded them here fine.
-J

--------

yEnc doesn't work so well in this group. A lot of regulars don't use
newsreaders that can handle it. Try reposting without the yEnc.

This is the ONLY group that still has complaints about yEnc.
All of Usenet should go back a decade and post in a dead
format because the "regulars' here are just too damn lazy
or defiant to go with the 99.9%.

You still drive a horse and buggy? Have that new fangled
'lecrticty' in your shop? What a bunch of whiners!

No wonder this group has dwindled away. Every time
someone tries to share their work,posting in now standard
formats. they are met with snide comments and complaints.

No matter how many times you say yEnc in NOT standard,
try going to any other binairy group and you will discover,
oh horrors!!, more yEnc. It's taken over the world.

Geesh~~~~!

On 5/8/2012 9:42 AM, John Shear wrote:
I use Thunderbird on Linux to read mail and newsgroups. That's as open
and standard as it gets. But I can't decipher the yenc format. Heck, I
hadn't even heard of it til now. Do I need a plugin or something?
Helpful advice would go a lot further in getting us to support your
format than sarcasm will.

John S.

On 05/07/2012 05:27 PM, Darian wrote:
On Mon, 7 May 2012 06:24:53 -0700,
wrote:

Too bad, cannot see this file picture.
try a jpeg.
yenc.

"Joe" wrote in message ...

jibberish removed...)

The answer is really this...in most situations today, it is simply a
matter of personal preference. If you want to fully enjoy yENC objects
then you will need a multi-part solution for various readers like
Mozilla's Thunderbird, Outlook, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YEnc

While not exactly 100% correct, Wikipedia does simplify the arguments
here and further, provides a limited historical perspective.

What drives the majority of uunet users today is the simplicity and
convenience of web (html) based interfaces to uunet news vs original
text based (ASCII 7 or 8 bit) interface, once popular with early BBS and
Usenet readers. Of course also in many cases today the host is throwing
adds in your face and tracking every move you make at the same time. :-)

POP3 and ASCII are still preferred means of interfacing with uunet and,
BTW, far less susceptible to malware or viruses than scripted html or
binary based traffic. On the other hand, most of what one sees these
days is simply a relay of conventional gmail or other commercial user
group, as opposed to true uunet; check headers of posts for originating
hosts.

Moving along,

The Original intent of yENC was to reduce the horrendous amount of
overhead required to support binary files in days when bandwidth was
largely limited by dial-up speeds. Some here, tend to forget that huge
files took a very long time to download and decode over standard voice
grade dial-up and, almost nobody allowed native binaries due to limited
server storage, timely delivery, and available bandwidths. I can even
remember when 300 baud was a HUGE breakthrough!

Keep in mind also that while one can compress a text file into a very
small space, most digital photos are already compressed and further
efforts generally result in artifacts and/ or significant loss of detail
-- uh oh, betcha I hear more about that statement from more than a few
self professed experts herein. :-)

Today, there are still news sites & forums in existence that do not
allow native binaries for the same reasons as cited above, many of which
are actually hosted from privately owned PCs, located in someone's
basement and running open source Apache, BSD, or other free solutions.

So, there are still many very good & appropriate uses for yENC (1 - 2%
overhead and very fast vs. binary at 40% or more), even now in today's
Google groups.

Frankly, and at great risk of being severely slash/...dotted, I
personally have no problem with either binary or yENC and further
maintain that this entire argument simply boils down to preference. Some
people like Ford and others prefer Chevrolet, and both will likely get
you to where you want to go.

If you want to view yENC formats, then by all means obtain a 3rd party
solution, or not. Is it required? Nope...especially if your whole life
is devoted only to this particular group. :-)

If you wish, go ahead and experiment with yENC'd photos and do your own
math. The difference in download speed and file size will become
immediately obvious, but, these days, the majority simply do not concern
themselves with such trivial matters as bandwidth or speed, and seem far
more concerned with being severely critical of everyone that does.

--
Digger
Bob O'Dell

On 5/8/2012 1:12 PM, Digger wrote:

snip paraphrasing of google acquired information

Frankly, and at great risk of being severely slash/...dotted, I
personally have no problem with either binary or yENC and further
maintain that this entire argument simply boils down to preference. Some
people like Ford and others prefer Chevrolet, and both will likely get
you to where you want to go.

If you want to view yENC formats, then by all means obtain a 3rd party
solution, or not. Is it required? Nope...especially if your whole life
is devoted only to this particular group. :-)

If you wish, go ahead and experiment with yENC'd photos and do your own
math. The difference in download speed and file size will become
immediately obvious, but, these days, the majority simply do not concern
themselves with such trivial matters as bandwidth or speed, and seem far
more concerned with being severely critical of everyone that does.

Move along, folks ... nothing to see here but thinly disguised snideness
and condescension.


--
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

On Tue, 08 May 2012 14:12:21 -0400, Digger
If you wish, go ahead and experiment with yENC'd photos and do your own
math. The difference in download speed and file size will become
immediately obvious, but, these days, the majority simply do not concern
themselves with such trivial matters as bandwidth or speed, and seem far
more concerned with being severely critical of everyone that does.

All that hot air you just released wasted far more bandwidth then any
paltry savings by using yEnc.

"Digger" wrote in message ...

On 5/8/2012 9:42 AM, John Shear wrote:
I use Thunderbird on Linux to read mail and newsgroups. That's as open
and standard as it gets. But I can't decipher the yenc format. Heck, I
hadn't even heard of it til now. Do I need a plugin or something?
Helpful advice would go a lot further in getting us to support your
format than sarcasm will.

John S.

On 05/07/2012 05:27 PM, Darian wrote:
On Mon, 7 May 2012 06:24:53 -0700,
wrote:

Too bad, cannot see this file picture.
try a jpeg.
yenc.

"Joe" wrote in message
...

jibberish removed...)

The answer is really this...in most situations today, it is simply a
matter of personal preference. If you want to fully enjoy yENC objects
then you will need a multi-part solution for various readers like
Mozilla's Thunderbird, Outlook, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YEnc

While not exactly 100% correct, Wikipedia does simplify the arguments
here and further, provides a limited historical perspective.

What drives the majority of uunet users today is the simplicity and
convenience of web (html) based interfaces to uunet news vs original
text based (ASCII 7 or 8 bit) interface, once popular with early BBS and
Usenet readers. Of course also in many cases today the host is throwing
adds in your face and tracking every move you make at the same time. :-)

POP3 and ASCII are still preferred means of interfacing with uunet and,
BTW, far less susceptible to malware or viruses than scripted html or
binary based traffic. On the other hand, most of what one sees these
days is simply a relay of conventional gmail or other commercial user
group, as opposed to true uunet; check headers of posts for originating
hosts.

Moving along,

The Original intent of yENC was to reduce the horrendous amount of
overhead required to support binary files in days when bandwidth was
largely limited by dial-up speeds. Some here, tend to forget that huge
files took a very long time to download and decode over standard voice
grade dial-up and, almost nobody allowed native binaries due to limited
server storage, timely delivery, and available bandwidths. I can even
remember when 300 baud was a HUGE breakthrough!

Keep in mind also that while one can compress a text file into a very
small space, most digital photos are already compressed and further
efforts generally result in artifacts and/ or significant loss of detail
-- uh oh, betcha I hear more about that statement from more than a few
self professed experts herein. :-)

Today, there are still news sites & forums in existence that do not
allow native binaries for the same reasons as cited above, many of which
are actually hosted from privately owned PCs, located in someone's
basement and running open source Apache, BSD, or other free solutions.

So, there are still many very good & appropriate uses for yENC (1 - 2%
overhead and very fast vs. binary at 40% or more), even now in today's
Google groups.

Frankly, and at great risk of being severely slash/...dotted, I
personally have no problem with either binary or yENC and further
maintain that this entire argument simply boils down to preference. Some
people like Ford and others prefer Chevrolet, and both will likely get
you to where you want to go.

If you want to view yENC formats, then by all means obtain a 3rd party
solution, or not. Is it required? Nope...especially if your whole life
is devoted only to this particular group. :-)

If you wish, go ahead and experiment with yENC'd photos and do your own
math. The difference in download speed and file size will become
immediately obvious, but, these days, the majority simply do not concern
themselves with such trivial matters as bandwidth or speed, and seem far
more concerned with being severely critical of everyone that does.
================================================== =========================
I have a very simple solution that has worked for me for years. You send
yEnc, I provide you with space in my killfile. Problem solved.