I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller does not
have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close enough to
drive to but far enough away that I don't want to drive back.

How can I test that the pump works?

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:54:47 -0600, william kossack
wrote:

I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller does not
have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close enough to
drive to but far enough away that I don't want to drive back.

How can I test that the pump works?

Borrow a small generator?
Anything with 220v output should work, the pump can't draw many amps..


mac

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mac davis wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:54:47 -0600, william kossack
wrote:

I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller does not
have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close enough to
drive to but far enough away that I don't want to drive back.

How can I test that the pump works?

Borrow a small generator?
Anything with 220v output should work, the pump can't draw many amps..



if it works, how much should I pay for it?

owner thinks he can rig a 220 for a test

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:54:47 -0600, william kossack
wrote:

I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller does not
have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close enough to
drive to but far enough away that I don't want to drive back.

How can I test that the pump works?

A transformer to step 110 to 220?

"william kossack" wrote: if it works, how much should I pay for it?

owner thinks he can rig a 220 for a test
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Has the owner given an asking price? I have bought vacuum pumps anywhere
from $20 to $70.

I can tell you how I got 220 when I needed it, in a building that wsn't
wired for it. Generally, there will be 220 (240 really) coming to the
fusebox. It is split into two 120 circuits, that usually go to opposite
sides of the building. If you plug into both circuits you will have 240 v
between them. I ran a welder this way for several years (I know, it ain't
legal.)

In message ,
Leo Lichtman writes

"william kossack" wrote: if it works, how much should I pay for it?

owner thinks he can rig a 220 for a test
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Has the owner given an asking price? I have bought vacuum pumps anywhere
from $20 to $70.


That's a lot cheaper than the ones I used to buy at work, back in the
80's They were about $6000 ran on 240V and took about 10 amps

--
John

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:05:17 -0600, william kossack wrote:
if it works, how much should I pay for it?

owner thinks he can rig a 220 for a test

Average price for surplus is $90

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?
UID=2004111114162930&item=4-1540&catname=air

John wrote:
In message ,
Leo Lichtman writes

"william kossack" wrote: if it works, how much should I pay for it?

owner thinks he can rig a 220 for a test
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Has the owner given an asking price? I have bought vacuum pumps anywhere
from $20 to $70.


That's a lot cheaper than the ones I used to buy at work, back in the
80's They were about $6000 ran on 240V and took about 10 amps


the ad said $200 or best offer. I'll try making a much lower offer.
Don't know if he would take $70 not if he is asking $200 unless he is
really hurting.

PS I'm thinking of using this for vacuum chucking. I've looked at the
Gast pumps the big mail order places sell and on paper they look the
same as this one. $70-$100 would sure be better than $400+

"william kossack" wrote: the ad said $200 or best offer. I'll try making
a much lower offer. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The price range I quoted ($20-70) was because I never bought when I was
actually looking for one. $70 was the price of a 3/4 HP Gast pump that
showed up at Urban Ore in Berkeley. That's the one I still use. All the
others have been passed on to my woodturning friends at cost, so they all
did better than I did even though I did the leg work.

If you can get to the main panel, the potential between the contacts on
any two adjacent circuit breakers will be 220 v. I'm saying the same
thing as Leo, just a little different approach. If you don't know what
you are doing, though, I'd skip it.

Bill

Leo Lichtman wrote:
"william kossack" wrote: if it works, how much should I pay for it?

owner thinks he can rig a 220 for a test

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Has the owner given an asking price? I have bought vacuum pumps anywhere
from $20 to $70.

I can tell you how I got 220 when I needed it, in a building that wsn't
wired for it. Generally, there will be 220 (240 really) coming to the
fusebox. It is split into two 120 circuits, that usually go to opposite
sides of the building. If you plug into both circuits you will have 240 v
between them. I ran a welder this way for several years (I know, it ain't
legal.)

"Bill Rubenstein" wrote: If you can get to the main panel, the potential
between the contacts on
any two adjacent circuit breakers will be 220 v. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I guess that depends on how you define "adjacent." A friend of mine put in
a new bandsaw, and got his "220" by connecting to the hot side of two
breakers that were side-by-side. Several people, trying to help him,
measured the voltage to ground on each line and concluded (incorrectly) that
he had power. The motor didn't run because he had it floating at 120v above
ground.

Bill, you are right that you can get 220 by going into the box with a pair
of jumper cables, but that's best left to people who are nuts AND very
careful.

the price he is quoting you is WAY to high for a used untested pump - to
prove my point, refer to my web site (wbnoble.com) and you can see what I
charge for pumps that are tested and ready to use. I have one 220V dual
piston pump that is not listed - I keep forgetting to take a photo - but it
is tested and working (and a very nice pump with silencing mounts - very
quiet) - that pump would be $70 from me..

that said, when I am buying used pumps, untested, I pay $15 to $25 depending
on the pump, rarely a bit more. When I'm selling they are $35 to $300,
again depending on the pump - but they are tested when I sell them. The
dead ones are a LOT cheaper (ok, want a dead pump for $5 plus shipping? -
needs some new ball bearings)

so, if you are going to be paying $70, you can get them tested from me, and
maybe from other guys, so don't take a risk at that price.

if you get a price in the proper range, test that the pump turns freely - if
so, it is either OK or worst case will need new vanes (for about $60 for a
set).


"william kossack" wrote in message
. ..
I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller does not
have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close enough to drive
to but far enough away that I don't want to drive back.

How can I test that the pump works?


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How much for shipping?

The seller says he can rig a 220 test for me and from the picture it
looks like it has a gage on it. The exact model of the pump is Gast
0523 101Q G588DX. I have not been able to find anything on that
specific model second hand online.

I'm going to email the seller today and tell him what I've found about
prices and offer him the $50 or $70. don't know if he would take it but
with the cost of gas I don't want to drive there and come back empty handed.

William Noble wrote:
the price he is quoting you is WAY to high for a used untested pump - to
prove my point, refer to my web site (wbnoble.com) and you can see what I
charge for pumps that are tested and ready to use. I have one 220V dual
piston pump that is not listed - I keep forgetting to take a photo - but it
is tested and working (and a very nice pump with silencing mounts - very
quiet) - that pump would be $70 from me..

that said, when I am buying used pumps, untested, I pay $15 to $25 depending
on the pump, rarely a bit more. When I'm selling they are $35 to $300,
again depending on the pump - but they are tested when I sell them. The
dead ones are a LOT cheaper (ok, want a dead pump for $5 plus shipping? -
needs some new ball bearings)

so, if you are going to be paying $70, you can get them tested from me, and
maybe from other guys, so don't take a risk at that price.

if you get a price in the proper range, test that the pump turns freely - if
so, it is either OK or worst case will need new vanes (for about $60 for a
set).


"william kossack" wrote in message
. ..
I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller does not
have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close enough to drive
to but far enough away that I don't want to drive back.

How can I test that the pump works?


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

well the seller did not want to come down any from the $200. I got the
long email reply to my offer about how he researched vacuum pumps and
how well it works etc etc

Thinking about it I have other things I need to buy this spring that are
more important than additional turning gadgets. Finances are such that
even if I got it I would have to wait some months to put together the
vacuum chucking rig. I've turned for 5+ years and lived without a vacuum
pump. I'll just have to wait some more.

william kossack wrote:
I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller does not
have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close enough to
drive to but far enough away that I don't want to drive back.

How can I test that the pump works?

"william kossack" wrote in message
. ..
How much for shipping?



big snip -------

I charge somewhere between $10 and $50 for shipping depending on how massive
the pump is - if it fits in a flat rate box, it's $10, othwerwise it's
whatever FedEx ground (or UPS) charges which depends on weight - the last
few pumps I shipped were dual piston ones that fit in flat rate boxes but
I've shipped some pretty heavy pumps across the country - I know that's
kinda an indirect answer, but .....

I think you did right to walk away from the pump - you should expect to pay
NO MORE than 1/2 of new including shipping, for a pump which is known to be
in good working condition and will meet your needs - discount the pump
appropriately if there are any doubts. If you are patient and look around
you can get them as cheaply as I do - of course you take the same risks as I
do (maybe more, I've looked at a lot of pumps by now) - good places to look
are in discarded copy machines - the bigger the better, and in medical
devices like liposuction (eeewww, yuck!) - I get most of mine at swap meets
when someone shows up with a big pile of them.


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"william kossack" wrote: (clip) Finances are such that
even if I got it I would have to wait some months to put together the
vacuum chucking rig.(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please don't spend vendor's asking price for a vacuum chucking setup. You
can do it all yourself for a few dollars. The most expensive item will be a
double-sealed ball bearing.

Hey William! I cannot see how you could go too wrong with buying one of
William Noble's pumps if you are serious about a vac system. They are
tested, he knows what size you need and he will ship it to you.
And, if it is a dud, you can always bad mouth him here

Tom

"william kossack" wrote in message
...
well the seller did not want to come down any from the $200. I got the
long email reply to my offer about how he researched vacuum pumps and how
well it works etc etc

Thinking about it I have other things I need to buy this spring that are
more important than additional turning gadgets. Finances are such that
even if I got it I would have to wait some months to put together the
vacuum chucking rig. I've turned for 5+ years and lived without a vacuum
pump. I'll just have to wait some more.

william kossack wrote:
I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller does not
have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close enough to drive
to but far enough away that I don't want to drive back.

How can I test that the pump works?

I've thought about it but other expenses at this time prevent me from
spending much that is not necessary. I had to write a big check to the
government on the 15th (can't figure out how I can earn less but pay
more in taxes)

the seller did not want to move on his price. I'll have to watch my
spending for a while.

Tom Storey wrote:
Hey William! I cannot see how you could go too wrong with buying one of
William Noble's pumps if you are serious about a vac system. They are
tested, he knows what size you need and he will ship it to you.
And, if it is a dud, you can always bad mouth him here

Tom

"william kossack" wrote in message
...
well the seller did not want to come down any from the $200. I got the
long email reply to my offer about how he researched vacuum pumps and how
well it works etc etc

Thinking about it I have other things I need to buy this spring that are
more important than additional turning gadgets. Finances are such that
even if I got it I would have to wait some months to put together the
vacuum chucking rig. I've turned for 5+ years and lived without a vacuum
pump. I'll just have to wait some more.

william kossack wrote:
I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller does not
have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close enough to drive
to but far enough away that I don't want to drive back.

How can I test that the pump works?

Your question... mainly because the big tax cuts weren't for you, they
were for the friends of the White House, the congressmen, the senators,....

I'll apologize in advance for the above.

Bill

william kossack wrote:
I've thought about it but other expenses at this time prevent me from
spending much that is not necessary. I had to write a big check to
the government on the 15th (can't figure out how I can earn less but
pay more in taxes)

the seller did not want to move on his price. I'll have to watch my
spending for a while.

Tom Storey wrote:
Hey William! I cannot see how you could go too wrong with buying one
of William Noble's pumps if you are serious about a vac system. They
are tested, he knows what size you need and he will ship it to you.
And, if it is a dud, you can always bad mouth him here

Tom

"william kossack" wrote in message
...
well the seller did not want to come down any from the $200. I got
the long email reply to my offer about how he researched vacuum
pumps and how well it works etc etc

Thinking about it I have other things I need to buy this spring that
are more important than additional turning gadgets. Finances are
such that even if I got it I would have to wait some months to put
together the vacuum chucking rig. I've turned for 5+ years and lived
without a vacuum pump. I'll just have to wait some more.

william kossack wrote:
I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller does
not have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close
enough to drive to but far enough away that I don't want to drive
back.

How can I test that the pump works?

Bill Rubenstein wrote in
:

Your question... mainly because the big tax cuts weren't for you, they
were for the friends of the White House, the congressmen, the
senators,....

I'll apologize in advance for the above.

Bill

william kossack wrote:
I've thought about it but other expenses at this time prevent me from
spending much that is not necessary. I had to write a big check to
the government on the 15th (can't figure out how I can earn less but
pay more in taxes)

the seller did not want to move on his price. I'll have to watch my
spending for a while.

Tom Storey wrote:
Hey William! I cannot see how you could go too wrong with buying one
of William Noble's pumps if you are serious about a vac system. They
are tested, he knows what size you need and he will ship it to you.
And, if it is a dud, you can always bad mouth him here

Tom

"william kossack" wrote in message
...
well the seller did not want to come down any from the $200. I got
the long email reply to my offer about how he researched vacuum
pumps and how well it works etc etc

Thinking about it I have other things I need to buy this spring
that are more important than additional turning gadgets. Finances
are such that even if I got it I would have to wait some months to
put together the vacuum chucking rig. I've turned for 5+ years and
lived without a vacuum pump. I'll just have to wait some more.

william kossack wrote:
I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller
does not have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close
enough to drive to but far enough away that I don't want to drive
back.

How can I test that the pump works?




Today is May Day. We should all celebrate. Up the prolatariat. Only the
rich get tax breaks and the poor get to pay for their excesses. I, for
one, am sick and tired of paying for their mansions and mistrisses. If I
can't live in a big house and get laid on the side, why should they? The
governor of New York and the past president of the USofA are no better
than you, so you should not have to pay taxes. What bracket are you in?
My guess is not a very large one. So, 'UP THE REVOLUTION', execute anyone
richer than us; then get a good job with no taxes.

Bill Rubenstein wrote in
:

Your question... mainly because the big tax cuts weren't for you, they
were for the friends of the White House, the congressmen, the
senators,....

I'll apologize in advance for the above.

Bill

william kossack wrote:
I've thought about it but other expenses at this time prevent me from
spending much that is not necessary. I had to write a big check to
the government on the 15th (can't figure out how I can earn less but
pay more in taxes)

the seller did not want to move on his price. I'll have to watch my
spending for a while.

Tom Storey wrote:
Hey William! I cannot see how you could go too wrong with buying one
of William Noble's pumps if you are serious about a vac system. They
are tested, he knows what size you need and he will ship it to you.
And, if it is a dud, you can always bad mouth him here

Tom

"william kossack" wrote in message
...
well the seller did not want to come down any from the $200. I got
the long email reply to my offer about how he researched vacuum
pumps and how well it works etc etc

Thinking about it I have other things I need to buy this spring
that are more important than additional turning gadgets. Finances
are such that even if I got it I would have to wait some months to
put together the vacuum chucking rig. I've turned for 5+ years and
lived without a vacuum pump. I'll just have to wait some more.

william kossack wrote:
I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller
does not have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close
enough to drive to but far enough away that I don't want to drive
back.

How can I test that the pump works?



Oh ****, I'm very sorry. I had a bit tonight and thought I was on the
woodworker's group. I meant no offense to anyone, but something touched me
off. Again, sorry.
Henry St.Pierre

Hank wrote:
Bill Rubenstein wrote in
:

Your question... mainly because the big tax cuts weren't for you, they
were for the friends of the White House, the congressmen, the
senators,....

I'll apologize in advance for the above.

Bill

william kossack wrote:
I've thought about it but other expenses at this time prevent me from
spending much that is not necessary. I had to write a big check to
the government on the 15th (can't figure out how I can earn less but
pay more in taxes)

the seller did not want to move on his price. I'll have to watch my
spending for a while.

Tom Storey wrote:
Hey William! I cannot see how you could go too wrong with buying one
of William Noble's pumps if you are serious about a vac system. They
are tested, he knows what size you need and he will ship it to you.
And, if it is a dud, you can always bad mouth him here

Tom

"william kossack" wrote in message
...
well the seller did not want to come down any from the $200. I got
the long email reply to my offer about how he researched vacuum
pumps and how well it works etc etc

Thinking about it I have other things I need to buy this spring
that are more important than additional turning gadgets. Finances
are such that even if I got it I would have to wait some months to
put together the vacuum chucking rig. I've turned for 5+ years and
lived without a vacuum pump. I'll just have to wait some more.

william kossack wrote:
I'm thinking of buy a used vacuum pump.

Gast 0523 but wired for 220. A big problem is that the seller
does not have 220 to show me that it works. The location is close
enough to drive to but far enough away that I don't want to drive
back.

How can I test that the pump works?


Oh ****, I'm very sorry. I had a bit tonight and thought I was on the
woodworker's group. I meant no offense to anyone, but something touched me
off. Again, sorry.
Henry St.Pierre


We all have dull brain moments....try removing the post using your news
reader

We all have dull brain moments....try removing the post using your news
reader

just a word of explanation - you cannot "remove" a post once posted - it is
sent out to a zillion NTTP servers and wanders around the internet totally
out of your control. There is a "delete" protocol, but it is at the option
of each server whether it is implemented or not - most do not. It's like
throwing a bottle with a note into the ocean. Throwing another bottle that
says "ignore contents of previously thrown bottle" will just not do anything
except amuse the guy who finds the second one and not the first.


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