Would two coats of latex house paint be sufficient to seal green wood or
do I have to use the wax emulsion stuff? I can get latex paint for a few
dollars per gallon, the wax emulsion stuff often sells for tens of dollars
per gallon. If I have to use the wax emulsion, where can I get the best
price?

Neal

I use the wax emulsion. Here's a little quote from Bob Flexner's
Understanding Wood Finishing book:

"Latex paint....is valued for use on the outside of houses precisely
because of its ability to "breathe," or let water vapor pass through."

neal konneker wrote:
Would two coats of latex house paint be sufficient to seal green wood or
do I have to use the wax emulsion stuff? I can get latex paint for a few
dollars per gallon, the wax emulsion stuff often sells for tens of dollars
per gallon. If I have to use the wax emulsion, where can I get the best
price?

Neal
I know from bitter experience that latex paint does not work.
So I have started buying Anchorseal in 5 gallon pails from he
https://www.uccoatings.com/
Family business, great to deal with and their product is the best.
Works out to about $14 a gallon and it goes a long long way. So how
much is your wood worth?
I am just a really satisfied customer and have no other connection with
UCC

Neal
Get the Anchorseal. Latex paint brathes too fast, is too much of a hassle to
remove if it soaks in , and is genreally not made for the task. The best
price for Anchorseal that I have found is from the manufacturer. They are
basically a wholesaler, dealing mostly with high end lumber mills. They are
quite generous in dealing with us "little guys" buying 1 and 5 gallon
buckets. They ship quickly and well. I expect here in Nova Scotia to have my
order filled in a week or less.
http://uccoatings.com

No affiliation but a satisfied customer.

______
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS, Canada
www.aroundthewoods.com
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neal konneker wrote:
Would two coats of latex house paint be sufficient to seal green wood or
do I have to use the wax emulsion stuff? I can get latex paint for a
few
dollars per gallon, the wax emulsion stuff often sells for tens of
dollars
per gallon. If I have to use the wax emulsion, where can I get the best
price?

Neal
I know from bitter experience that latex paint does not work.
So I have started buying Anchorseal in 5 gallon pails from he
https://www.uccoatings.com/
Family business, great to deal with and their product is the best.
Works out to about $14 a gallon and it goes a long long way. So how
much is your wood worth?
I am just a really satisfied customer and have no other connection with
UCC

Would two coats of latex house paint be sufficient to seal green wood or
do I have to use the wax emulsion stuff? I can get latex paint for a few
dollars per gallon, the wax emulsion stuff often sells for tens of dollars
per gallon. If I have to use the wax emulsion, where can I get the best
price?

Neal
I know from bitter experience that latex paint does not work.
So I have started buying Anchorseal in 5 gallon pails from he
https://www.uccoatings.com/
Family business, great to deal with and their product is the best.
Works out to about $14 a gallon and it goes a long long way. So how
much is your wood worth?
I am just a really satisfied customer and have no other connection with
UCC

I buy Anchorseal in the 5 gallon pail. Use it. The wood you save will pay for
it in short order. If you belong to a turning club, share the cost. A gallon
goes a long way. Dan

Hi Neal

You already got the lowdown, and I agree, get the anchorseal.

However if you don't have to keep the wood to long from drying out and
the size lets you, than you can use a plastic bag on the ends, wrap a
string/tape or rubber band around to keep it tight, works for me.

You might get some fungus starting to grow on the ends if you keep it
longer this way, but that will be turned away or can be sawn off when
using the wood, never bothered me any.

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Have fun and take care
Leo Van Der Loo

neal konneker wrote:
Would two coats of latex house paint be sufficient to seal green wood or
do I have to use the wax emulsion stuff? I can get latex paint for a few
dollars per gallon, the wax emulsion stuff often sells for tens of dollars
per gallon. If I have to use the wax emulsion, where can I get the best
price?

Neal

wrote in message
ups.com...
However if you don't have to keep the wood to long from drying out and
the size lets you, than you can use a plastic bag on the ends, wrap a
string/tape or rubber band around to keep it tight, works for me.

Yep, blocking the easy way out is all you need to do. Cardboard tacked to
the ends, plastic, my personal favorite is a leaning slab packed with
chainsaw shavings. Idea is to slow the loss from the surface to something
that can be replaced from the inside to equalize. Just as in other things
in this world, it's "diversity" (in moisture content) that tears things
apart.

I've had decent luck with leftover latex paint. HOWEVER: I really slather it
on, I re-coat it every 6 months or so, and I don't do a whole lot of air
drying.....

I've done everything from beech, pine, oak, cherry, and a bunch of odd
residential type woods (lilac, mulberry, apple... etc) with good luck. I
have also used leftover white or yellow glue thinned down with water (50%
mixture) with good results......

If I was actually buying a product to seal the ends, I'd probably go with
one of the things meant for sealing wet wood.. I just happen to be able to
get old paint for free, and now and then I have a gallon of glue that starts
gelling....

--JD




"Dan Bollinger" wrote in message
...
Would two coats of latex house paint be sufficient to seal green wood or
do I have to use the wax emulsion stuff? I can get latex paint for a
few
dollars per gallon, the wax emulsion stuff often sells for tens of
dollars
per gallon. If I have to use the wax emulsion, where can I get the best
price?

Neal
I know from bitter experience that latex paint does not work.
So I have started buying Anchorseal in 5 gallon pails from he
https://www.uccoatings.com/
Family business, great to deal with and their product is the best.
Works out to about $14 a gallon and it goes a long long way. So how
much is your wood worth?
I am just a really satisfied customer and have no other connection with
UCC

I buy Anchorseal in the 5 gallon pail. Use it. The wood you save will
pay for it in short order. If you belong to a turning club, share the
cost. A gallon goes a long way. Dan

Hello Neal,

As the others have pointed out, latex paint does not really work well for
sealing log ends. It may work in a pinch, for a short period, but do not
trust it for long term storage. One reason latex does not work well, is that
is doesn't really have a lot of ability to move without cracking. If you
smear some latex paint on glass and let it dry and then remove it with a
razor blade, you will see that it cracks very easily when stretched. As the
wood continues to dry, the movement causes the latex paint to form micro
fissures. Air is exposed to these tiny fissures and the exposed wood below
the failed surface coating, causing them to grow larger and deeper.

Cold wax log sealers like Anchorseal are paraffin, or microcrystalline based
emulsions that dry, forming a flexible, yet vapour permeable membrane that
is much more resistant to movement than latex paint. As the others have also
pointed out, buying direct from the manufacturer can save you quite a bit
over buying from a reseller. Also, if you belong to a local turning club,
check with them as many purchase the larger 55 gallon drums and sell the
emulsion to members at cost. When purchased this way, the cost per gallon is
quite low, around $5-7.00 per gallon if my memory is correct.

Here are a few "on the cheap" ways to temporarily keep the log sections form
checking, depending on the size of the section these may or may not be
feasible... Store in plastic bags, in a tank of water, use trash bags over
the endgrain sections secured with duct tape. Good luck to you and best
wishes in all of your woodturning endeavours!


On 9/9/06 8:49 PM, in article ,
"neal konneker" wrote:

Would two coats of latex house paint be sufficient to seal green wood or
do I have to use the wax emulsion stuff? I can get latex paint for a few
dollars per gallon, the wax emulsion stuff often sells for tens of dollars
per gallon. If I have to use the wax emulsion, where can I get the best
price?

Neal

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Steve, Didn't you mean to say 'vapor impermeable' ? The problem with latex
paint is that it is vapor permeable. Dan

Cold wax log sealers like Anchorseal are paraffin, or microcrystalline based
emulsions that dry, forming a flexible, yet vapour permeable membrane that
is much more resistant to movement than latex paint.

"Dan Bollinger" wrote in message
m...
Steve, Didn't you mean to say 'vapor impermeable' ? The problem with
latex paint is that it is vapor permeable. Dan

Cold wax log sealers like Anchorseal are paraffin, or microcrystalline
based
emulsions that dry, forming a flexible, yet vapour permeable membrane
that
is much more resistant to movement than latex paint.


Wax allows transit of water too, though I'm still pondering how "flexible"
and "resistant to movement" are related. Latex doesn't carry as well into
the endgrain nor have the "bulk", so it lacks the roots and excels in
flexibility, the reason it's used in paint, but oil primers suggested. One
might thin coat one to gain better roots or use the designated primer, but
coat two would still be required.

Hello Dan,

Apologies in advance if I was unclear ... Since lots of posters dislike
anything but short answers, it can be a challenge at times to be concise on
complicated issues. I've been hammered before for long answers, so I'm a wee
bit gun shy. :-0

Cured wax emulsions remain vapour permeable, allowing moisture vapour to
pass through, albeit at a greatly reduced rate. Wax emulsion sealers are
specifically formulated to control the rate of moisture loss in green
timber, by forming a durable wax membrane between the exposed end/side grain
and the surrounding ambient atmosphere.

Think of it like this... A freshly sawn endgrain section is like on open
super-highway. Moisture vapour can move freely out of the log as there is
nothing to hinder its natural movement. (Let's assume no environmental, or
other controls for sake of discussion) When a endgrain sealer is added to
the exposed endgrain surface, it's like a speed limit has been added on the
super-highway. Moisture vapour can still move out, but at a greatly reduced
rate.

The goal is not to prevent moisture vapour from moving through the wax
coating, but instead to retard the rate of moisture evaporation, thereby
helping to prevent steep moisture gradients from forming and reducing
subsequent drying defects like end grain checking and warping. It's a common
misconception that end grain sealers *stop, or prevent* moisture loss
through the cured coating, this is incorrect. They simply limit the loss,
but do not and can not prevent the loss of moisture vapour.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Take care
and all the best to you and yours!


On 9/12/06 9:08 PM, in article
, "Dan Bollinger"
wrote:

Steve, Didn't you mean to say 'vapor impermeable' ? The problem with latex
paint is that it is vapor permeable. Dan

Cold wax log sealers like Anchorseal are paraffin, or microcrystalline based
emulsions that dry, forming a flexible, yet vapour permeable membrane that
is much more resistant to movement than latex paint.


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Eurowood Werks Woodturning Studio, The Woodlands, Texas
Machinery, Tool and Product Testing for the Woodworking and Woodturning
Industries

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They [GREATLY] limit the loss, but do not and can not prevent the loss of
moisture vapour.

Editorial, mine.

Steve, I understand what you are saying and agee that there are no definites in
this, but everything is a shade of gray. Anchorseal is a great product. Besides
slathering on two coats a day apart, I also coat the last 2-3" of the log all
around on each end. I feel it helps to prevent checking, which is just another
exit path for rapid moisture loss.

Dan

Hello Dan,

Agreed, I use Anchorseal all the time. It seems that you may think I do not
like, or use Anchorseal? I was simply trying to explain the chemistry and
function of wax emulsions and to help illuminate the subject of exactly how
they work. Take care and best wishes.


On 9/13/06 8:35 AM, in article
, "Dan Bollinger"
wrote:

They [GREATLY] limit the loss, but do not and can not prevent the loss of
moisture vapour.

Editorial, mine.

Steve, I understand what you are saying and agee that there are no definites
in
this, but everything is a shade of gray. Anchorseal is a great product.
Besides
slathering on two coats a day apart, I also coat the last 2-3" of the log all
around on each end. I feel it helps to prevent checking, which is just
another
exit path for rapid moisture loss.

Dan


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Eurowood Werks Woodturning Studio, The Woodlands, Texas
Machinery, Tool and Product Testing for the Woodworking and Woodturning
Industries

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Volume #1 CD ROM e-Book * Available for Shipment
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