Hi
I have been using the LDD method for about six weeks on small bowls, with great success. Over the last week i have turned two large fruit bowls and the level of the soup has drop alot. My question is; should i carry on adding more LDD in the 3:1 ratio or should i just top the soup up with water. Are there any problems if the soup becomes to dense, say down to a ratio of 2:1 and is there anyway to check that the soup remains at the correct consisdency.
Mark

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:55:01 +0000, Woodborg
wrote:


Hi
I have been using the LDD method for about six weeks on small bowls,
with great success. Over the last week i have turned two large fruit
bowls and the level of the soup has drop alot. My question is; should i
carry on adding more LDD in the 3:1 ratio or should i just top the soup
up with water. Are there any problems if the soup becomes to dense, say
down to a ratio of 2:1 and is there anyway to check that the soup
remains at the correct consisdency.

Do a small batch at the correct ratio and check the specific gravity
with an antifreeze tester. Make a note of it and check it against
your working solution from time to time. Top off as necessary.

--
Chuck *#:^)
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:55:01 +0000, Woodborg
wrote:


Hi
I have been using the LDD method for about six weeks on small bowls,
with great success. Over the last week i have turned two large fruit
bowls and the level of the soup has drop alot. My question is; should i
carry on adding more LDD in the 3:1 ratio or should i just top the soup
up with water. Are there any problems if the soup becomes to dense, say
down to a ratio of 2:1 and is there anyway to check that the soup
remains at the correct consisdency.
Mark

Mark: Good to hear that you are having success with a method that is
not supposed to work!*G*

In situations that you mention, I just occasionally turn the bowl over
to recoat it with the solution. Of course, I have a covered "vat" to
preclude/slow down evaporation from the solution. If you are having
luck with a 3:1 ratio, go for it. I recommend 1:1. As to a way to
determine if you have the correct ratio, I started off with a fresh
solution of 1:1 and measured the specific gravity. I found that over
time, the solution lightened closer to the specific gravity of plain
tap water (.999 @ 60F). IMHO, there seems to be a loss of LDD when
that occurs, so I add more LDD.I still have the vat I started and
ended with 2 plus years ago. After a bit of time, I stopped measuring
the SG and just eyeballed the level of the solution and topped it up
with LDD -- not water!!

Keep the faith,

Leif

Mark: Good to hear that you are having success with a method that is
not supposed to work!*G*

In situations that you mention, I just occasionally turn the bowl over
to recoat it with the solution. Of course, I have a covered "vat" to
preclude/slow down evaporation from the solution. If you are having
luck with a 3:1 ratio, go for it. I recommend 1:1. As to a way to
determine if you have the correct ratio, I started off with a fresh
solution of 1:1 and measured the specific gravity. I found that over
time, the solution lightened closer to the specific gravity of plain
tap water (.999 @ 60F). IMHO, there seems to be a loss of LDD when
that occurs, so I add more LDD.I still have the vat I started and
ended with 2 plus years ago. After a bit of time, I stopped measuring
the SG and just eyeballed the level of the solution and topped it up
with LDD -- not water!!

[colour=blue]

Thanks Leif for your comments but i was just wondering what you meant when you said "I started and ended with 2 plus years ago". Does this mean you have another storage method or that you've lost the faith and moved onto another method of making green wood useable?

Mark

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:28:19 +0000, Woodborg
wrote:


Mark: Good to hear that you are having success with a method that is
not supposed to work!*G*

In situations that you mention, I just occasionally turn the bowl over
to recoat it with the solution. Of course, I have a covered "vat" to
preclude/slow down evaporation from the solution. If you are having
luck with a 3:1 ratio, go for it. I recommend 1:1. As to a way to
determine if you have the correct ratio, I started off with a fresh
solution of 1:1 and measured the specific gravity. I found that over
time, the solution lightened closer to the specific gravity of plain
tap water (.999 @ 60F). IMHO, there seems to be a loss of LDD when
that occurs, so I add more LDD.I still have the vat I started and
ended with 2 plus years ago. After a bit of time, I stopped measuring
the SG and just eyeballed the level of the solution and topped it up
with LDD -- not water!!

[colour=blue]

Thanks Leif for your comments but i was just wondering what you meant
when you said "I started and ended with 2 plus years ago". Does this
mean you have another storage method or that you've lost the faith and
moved onto another method of making green wood useable?

Mark


Nothing that sinister,Mark. Since I had reached the pinnacle of fame
with national and international acclaim in preaching the gospel of
LDD, I decided to rest on my laurels instead of turning them!*G*

Actually, I had two back operations that didn't succeed all that well,
and the pain of standing, sitting, bending working in the shop
(turning or woodworking) has pretty well put the kibosh on much work
in the shop. I was down there the other day, and the last piece of
work was still mounted on the lathe. I had turned, sanded and
shellaced it and was just needing to part it off, but back was hurting
too much. Just left it there. And didn't return to complete it. 8^(

Hope you are reassured about the efficacy of LDD!

Leif

Leif
Sorry to hear about your back. I have had pain before but never needed an
operation. Is there any word on recovery time?

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
www.aroundthewoods.com

Lief, that's sad. My heart goes out to you.

TomNie

"Leif Thorvaldson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:28:19 +0000, Woodborg
wrote:


Mark: Good to hear that you are having success with a method that is
not supposed to work!*G*

In situations that you mention, I just occasionally turn the bowl over
to recoat it with the solution. Of course, I have a covered "vat" to
preclude/slow down evaporation from the solution. If you are having
luck with a 3:1 ratio, go for it. I recommend 1:1. As to a way to
determine if you have the correct ratio, I started off with a fresh
solution of 1:1 and measured the specific gravity. I found that over
time, the solution lightened closer to the specific gravity of plain
tap water (.999 @ 60F). IMHO, there seems to be a loss of LDD when
that occurs, so I add more LDD.I still have the vat I started and
ended with 2 plus years ago. After a bit of time, I stopped measuring
the SG and just eyeballed the level of the solution and topped it up
with LDD -- not water!!

[colour=blue]

Thanks Leif for your comments but i was just wondering what you meant
when you said "I started and ended with 2 plus years ago". Does this
mean you have another storage method or that you've lost the faith and
moved onto another method of making green wood useable?

Mark


Nothing that sinister,Mark. Since I had reached the pinnacle of fame
with national and international acclaim in preaching the gospel of
LDD, I decided to rest on my laurels instead of turning them!*G*

Actually, I had two back operations that didn't succeed all that well,
and the pain of standing, sitting, bending working in the shop
(turning or woodworking) has pretty well put the kibosh on much work
in the shop. I was down there the other day, and the last piece of
work was still mounted on the lathe. I had turned, sanded and
shellaced it and was just needing to part it off, but back was hurting
too much. Just left it there. And didn't return to complete it. 8^(

Hope you are reassured about the efficacy of LDD!

Leif

Leif
Also sorry to here that you can't turn at the moment, but i very greatfull for you still spend your time helping us newbies out.
Hope you can reTURN soon
Mark

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:43:42 GMT, "Darrell Feltmate"
wrote:

Leif
Sorry to hear about your back. I have had pain before but never needed an
operation. Is there any word on recovery time?

Not until the 12th of Never, I am afraid, Darrell! I am planning on
getting some cortisone shots in the back and maybe that will give me
more relief.8^(

Leif, the 12th of Never seems a long time coming. Here's hoping the
cortisone helps and some prayer too. I never liked it when my back "went
out" whatever that means. Pain mostly. Hang in there. We are all pulling for
you.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
www.aroundthewoods.com

"Leif Thorvaldson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:43:42 GMT, "Darrell Feltmate"
wrote:

Leif
Sorry to hear about your back. I have had pain before but never needed an
operation. Is there any word on recovery time?

Not until the 12th of Never, I am afraid, Darrell! I am planning on
getting some cortisone shots in the back and maybe that will give me
more relief.8^(
====================
Leif,
The steroids will probably help for a while. This may give the underlying
problem time to resolve. If not, following injections will give lesws and
less relief time. At least that was my experience; hopefully, your
experience will be better.
Good luck.

Ken Moon
Webberville, TX.

"Leif Thorvaldson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:43:42 GMT, "Darrell Feltmate"
wrote:

Leif
Sorry to hear about your back. I have had pain before but never needed an
operation. Is there any word on recovery time?

Not until the 12th of Never, I am afraid, Darrell! I am planning on
getting some cortisone shots in the back and maybe that will give me
more relief.8^(

Leif, So sorry to hear about your back. I know you are getting advice from
everyone you talk to about your back (I did). I hate to chime in but this
might help you, depending on what type of injury you sustained and how
sucessful your surgeries were. I hurt my back about ten years ago and it
went untreated untill I could not stand upright. I was sent to a surgeon and
he says: will you switch jobs after I operate, and I said no. He said, I
will not operate cuz you will tear it up again lifting heavy refrigeration
compressors without proper tools. We cannot get cherry pickers and the like
in the small convienience stores we service and these are cast iron
compressors, starting @75# and go to #475. It's two men and heave-ho. Always
has been always will be till an architech(with a bad back) designs the
compressor rooms. To make a long story short, I did everything from
chiropractors to physical therapy. Nothing worked. Insurance required me to
see a sports physician. He hears my tale hands me a book called treat your
own back by Robin McKenzie. It took months to see the results, but I got my
back to where I can deal with it. I have good days and bad but I havn't lost
work in 5 years. I changed a 15 HP compressor yesterday (with one helper)
and yes my back hurts, but I am doing my excercises as soon as I type this.
The link for the book @ amazon.com is below. Feel free to contact me on or
off list if I can help.
Good Luck Lyndell

P.S. Bascially the excercises deal with bending the lower back, backwards to
compensate for all the time we spend leaning forwards. These are done like
womens pushups(belly flat on floor-back arched as far back as possible) and
a standing version of the same. Also someone here posted about a knee
bending excercise for turners. You put your back against the wall and bend
you knees. I thought I saved it, but I can't find it. If whoever posted it
reads this, please repost I was wanting to try it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/095...lance&n=283155

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:55:01 +0000, Woodborg
wrote:


Hi
I have been using the LDD method for about six weeks on small bowls,
with great success. Over the last week i have turned two large fruit
bowls and the level of the soup has drop alot. My question is; should i
carry on adding more LDD in the 3:1 ratio or should i just top the soup
up with water. Are there any problems if the soup becomes to dense, say
down to a ratio of 2:1 and is there anyway to check that the soup
remains at the correct consisdency.
Mark


Thanks for all the kind words gang and suggestions. Have tried
everything except acupuncture. Enough pins and needles from my back!!
Also, the exercises. I used to use an inversion table and that helped
keep the back lined up right, but then I went on blood thinner and
ended up getting a ministroke from the inversion. Aarrrgh! I have been
through various exercise regimens including physical therapy, which
seemed to exacerbate the problem rather than help! Still very much
interested in woodturning though, so you'll still have me and LDD to
poke fun at!
Leif

Leif Thorvaldson wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:55:01 +0000, Woodborg
wrote:


Hi
I have been using the LDD method for about six weeks on small bowls,
with great success. Over the last week i have turned two large fruit
bowls and the level of the soup has drop alot. My question is; should
i carry on adding more LDD in the 3:1 ratio or should i just top the
soup up with water. Are there any problems if the soup becomes to
dense, say down to a ratio of 2:1 and is there anyway to check that
the soup remains at the correct consisdency.
Mark


Thanks for all the kind words gang and suggestions. Have tried
everything except acupuncture. Enough pins and needles from my back!!
Also, the exercises. I used to use an inversion table and that helped
keep the back lined up right, but then I went on blood thinner and
ended up getting a ministroke from the inversion. Aarrrgh! I have been
through various exercise regimens including physical therapy, which
seemed to exacerbate the problem rather than help! Still very much
interested in woodturning though, so you'll still have me and LDD to
poke fun at!
Leif



How is your back when sitting? We've had the wheelchair turning thread a
few times. Is there some way you could work from a chair or stool?

Good luck with the back.

LD

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:16:22 GMT, Lobby Dosser
wrote:

Leif Thorvaldson wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:55:01 +0000, Woodborg
wrote:


Hi
I have been using the LDD method for about six weeks on small bowls,
with great success. Over the last week i have turned two large fruit
bowls and the level of the soup has drop alot. My question is; should
i carry on adding more LDD in the 3:1 ratio or should i just top the
soup up with water. Are there any problems if the soup becomes to
dense, say down to a ratio of 2:1 and is there anyway to check that
the soup remains at the correct consisdency.
Mark


Thanks for all the kind words gang and suggestions. Have tried
everything except acupuncture. Enough pins and needles from my back!!
Also, the exercises. I used to use an inversion table and that helped
keep the back lined up right, but then I went on blood thinner and
ended up getting a ministroke from the inversion. Aarrrgh! I have been
through various exercise regimens including physical therapy, which
seemed to exacerbate the problem rather than help! Still very much
interested in woodturning though, so you'll still have me and LDD to
poke fun at!
Leif



How is your back when sitting? We've had the wheelchair turning thread a
few times. Is there some way you could work from a chair or stool?

Good luck with the back.

LD


Yeah, I followed those threads. Each back injury can vary as to its
limitations. I have tried sitting at the lathe and it still requires
flexing the back which in a very short time becomes an untenable
position. Standing or walking doesn't not alleviate the pain.
Thanks for the suggestion and concern!

Leif

Leif:

Keep the faith, man. I broke both my wrists in a car accident three
years ago. My left hand had three nasty fractures, and the right had
two. So many tendons and leaders were torn that my arms turn purple
from my knuckle on my palms to my elbows.

I am a full time woodworker, and make my living with my hands so you
can imagine how this was for me. And the prognosis was that I would
never be able to work "in the field" again. However, after about a
year and a half of hard headed, nasty self rehab, (no insurance you
see) I am back at it. There are good days, and there are some really
bad days, but I can saw boards again, and after a couple of years of no
turning, I am grinding away.

My wrists swell and hurt, but they work.

I blew out two disks in my back about 10 years ago, and the good
doctors told me 1) I would never walk without a cane unless I had an
operation to fuse the disks and 2) couldn't stay in construction.
Period. I went to three doctors, all specialists, and all the same
thing. Then I found another guy, someone that specialized in non
invasive healing for sports injuries (which mine wasn't) and he told me
that he thought he could get me better, but it would take a lot of
work. In three months time, I could walk almost standing straight up.
In six months I could stand up straight. At the end of a year's work,
I could work carefully, but hurt a lot. But I was happy to stand up
straight, and not look like Quasimodo.

So I still have back pain (like yesterday it was terrible) but I can
deal with it with a handful of ibuporfen, heating pads and stretching
exercises. The hardest thing for me to get over was the fact I was so
screwed up, and then I was in so much pain I didn't want to do anything
at all that would give me more. And the exercises and conditioning I
had to do for my back HURT. A LOT. I felt the way you did, that they
seem to make things worse, rather than better. I went to a therapist
for about six months three times a week, and I swear I was in more pain
when I left here than I started with. And it would just start to feel
a little better, and it was back to see nurse Diesel again. But hey...
after six months they cut the therapy to two times a week!

I only write this as encouragement, and indeed every back injury is
different. You may never heal. It may never get better. But for me,
I was lucky enough to finally get all the pieces put together to move
forward towards a workable solution. I am not healed, but I am in a
workable situation now. It is much more than I was led to believe
would ever happen, but it took a lot longer to get there with a lot
more effort than I would have ever believed. Someday I may have to
have some fusing done, but I'll deal with that when I absolutely have
no other way out.

So best of luck, keep looking for answers. As the champion of the LDD
method, you are the torch bearer for all things smelling springtime
fresh!

Robert

On 12 Jan 2006 22:58:37 -0800, wrote:

Leif:

Keep the faith, man. I broke both my wrists in a car accident three
years ago. My left hand had three nasty fractures, and the right had
two. So many tendons and leaders were torn that my arms turn purple
from my knuckle on my palms to my elbows.

I am a full time woodworker, and make my living with my hands so you
can imagine how this was for me. And the prognosis was that I would
never be able to work "in the field" again. However, after about a
year and a half of hard headed, nasty self rehab, (no insurance you
see) I am back at it. There are good days, and there are some really
bad days, but I can saw boards again, and after a couple of years of no
turning, I am grinding away.

My wrists swell and hurt, but they work.

I blew out two disks in my back about 10 years ago, and the good
doctors told me 1) I would never walk without a cane unless I had an
operation to fuse the disks and 2) couldn't stay in construction.
Period. I went to three doctors, all specialists, and all the same
thing. Then I found another guy, someone that specialized in non
invasive healing for sports injuries (which mine wasn't) and he told me
that he thought he could get me better, but it would take a lot of
work. In three months time, I could walk almost standing straight up.
In six months I could stand up straight. At the end of a year's work,
I could work carefully, but hurt a lot. But I was happy to stand up
straight, and not look like Quasimodo.

So I still have back pain (like yesterday it was terrible) but I can
deal with it with a handful of ibuporfen, heating pads and stretching
exercises. The hardest thing for me to get over was the fact I was so
screwed up, and then I was in so much pain I didn't want to do anything
at all that would give me more. And the exercises and conditioning I
had to do for my back HURT. A LOT. I felt the way you did, that they
seem to make things worse, rather than better. I went to a therapist
for about six months three times a week, and I swear I was in more pain
when I left here than I started with. And it would just start to feel
a little better, and it was back to see nurse Diesel again. But hey...
after six months they cut the therapy to two times a week!

I only write this as encouragement, and indeed every back injury is
different. You may never heal. It may never get better. But for me,
I was lucky enough to finally get all the pieces put together to move
forward towards a workable solution. I am not healed, but I am in a
workable situation now. It is much more than I was led to believe
would ever happen, but it took a lot longer to get there with a lot
more effort than I would have ever believed. Someday I may have to
have some fusing done, but I'll deal with that when I absolutely have
no other way out.

So best of luck, keep looking for answers. As the champion of the LDD
method, you are the torch bearer for all things smelling springtime
fresh!

Robert

Heckovastory, Robert! Just about the only thing you left out is that
you are now back to performing piano recitals!! I imagine a lot of the
guys on the wreck have similar stories to retail, so I imagine that I
am green bean in the injuries department. Thanks for the
encouragement, and I would hope that I can put forth as much of the
effort towards "recovery" that you have!!

Leif