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Water based Microporous paint
I bought a conservatory from Baltic Pine:
http://www.balticpine.co.uk/ and have assembled it without too much trouble. The problem is that they say to use a solvent based microporous paint but I couldn't source it anywhere. I tried B&Q, Screwfix and Ridgeons without any luck :-( Does anyone know why they say not to use water based paint e.g. acrylic paint? -- |
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"Tony Raymonds" wrote in message ... I bought a conservatory from Baltic Pine: http://www.balticpine.co.uk/ and have assembled it without too much trouble. The problem is that they say to use a solvent based microporous paint but I couldn't source it anywhere. I tried B&Q, Screwfix and Ridgeons without any luck :-( Does anyone know why they say not to use water based paint e.g. acrylic paint? -- Why not ask Baltic Pine? |
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In article , John
writes Why not ask Baltic Pine? Because I had already put on a coat of water based acrylic before I realised that it was meant to be solvent based, and I don't want to know that I did that as it may have implications for the warranty. If I can find some solvent based microporous paint I'll probably put a coat on top of the acrylic, I assume it will stick OK. -- |
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Isn't water a solvent?
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and have assembled it without too much trouble. The problem is that
they say to use a solvent based microporous paint but I couldn't source it anywhere. I tried B&Q, Screwfix and Ridgeons without any luck :-( It should be easy enough to find. I believe International do some. I ignored their requirement and painted with a solvent and water based acrylic system (Dulux Weathershield) which consists of several layers. 1. Preservative primer (solvent) 2. Undercoat (solvent) 3. Acrylic satin top coat (water) I don't like the appearance of oil based paints as they are too glossy and I'm not convinced that they are much more durable than a quality water based acrylic, although they are mechanically more tough. The preservative primer first coat gives me more confidence in the system, too. Christian. |
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The problem is that they say to use a solvent based microporous paint but I couldn't source it anywhere. I tried B&Q, Screwfix and Ridgeons without any luck :-( I'm not surprised. When these paints were all the rage in the 70s, it was acknowledged that each coat reduced the microporosity, and a single heavy coat did the same. At what point the paint ceased to be at all microporous, nobody ever quite established. If you want to play Baltic's game, International used to do a solvent based version, but it was crap so I imagine they might have ditched it by now. Anything made of softwood that faces south/ south west will have a limited life, whatever you treat it with. I would go with an oil based paint (eggshell if you don't like gloss). One undercoat and one topcoat on top of your existing coat will give you the best chance. |
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When these paints were all the rage in the 70s, it was
acknowledged that each coat reduced the microporosity, and a single heavy coat did the same. At what point the paint ceased to be at all microporous, Actually all paint is "porous" i.e. will transmit water vapour, and "microporous" doesn't mean anything. For non porous you'd have to think of bitumen+gold leaf etc. More paint means less porous but more water proof. Anything made of softwood that faces south/ south west will have a limited life, whatever you treat it with. Not so, what about those millions of bits of Victorian and earlier joinery which are still in good nick although softwood? This is down to good detail design (a thing of the past) and lashings of paint. Lead paint helped of course, being better than anything modern. I'd carry on painting with any good quality oil based paint having first knotted with shellac.. The one essential is to go over it carefully several times during the first few years and remedy any defects. After everything has dried and settled etc the paint should last 10 years or more before needing touching up again. cheers Jacob |
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In article , Stuart Noble
writes If you want to play Baltic's game, International used to do a solvent based version, but it was crap so I imagine they might have ditched it by now. Baltic Pine recommended Sikkens or Sadolin but as far as I can tell neither do a microporous solvent based paints, though they both do acrylic, water based microporous paints. I'm not sure but I think Baltic Pine have managed to put in an almost impossible to satisfy requirement into their warranty! I wonder how that would stand up if there was a dispute about it? From the replies I've read it doesn't sound like I've done any real damage to the conservatory though. I might just give the outside another good coat of acrylic during the summer to make sure it's all well sealed. -- |
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:39:20 GMT, Tony Raymonds
wrote: I bought a conservatory from Baltic Pine: http://www.balticpine.co.uk/ and have assembled it without too much trouble. The problem is that they say to use a solvent based microporous paint but I couldn't source it anywhere. I tried B&Q, Screwfix and Ridgeons without any luck :-( Try a trade decorator centre, Crown, Dulux etc. (I should know the answer to this but my mind has gone. The usual reason given for not using water-based materials outside is that they will be more susceptible to weathering.) |
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In article , Tony Raymonds
writes I bought a conservatory from Baltic Pine: http://www.balticpine.co.uk/ and have assembled it without too much trouble. The problem is that they say to use a solvent based microporous paint but I couldn't source it anywhere. I tried B&Q, Screwfix and Ridgeons without any luck :-( Ranch paint was International's name for its solvent microporous range, still listed on the Focus site, limited colours though: http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/invt/9000078 still listed on the international site too but searching for microporous on their site doesn't find a hit, great huh . . . Now away for a week, so no replies . . . . -- fred |
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:39:20 GMT, Tony Raymonds
wrote: I bought a conservatory from Baltic Pine: http://www.balticpine.co.uk/ and have assembled it without too much trouble. The problem is that they say to use a solvent based microporous paint but I couldn't source it anywhere. I tried B&Q, Screwfix and Ridgeons without any luck :-( Does anyone know why they say not to use water based paint e.g. acrylic paint? Hi, If you have painted it already check to see if the paint is a decent quality exterior paint. If not it almost certainly needs a coat of something suitable to protect it from UV damage and weathering. Sadolin do a range of wood stains which also come in opaque colours including white. I think it's called 'Superdec' or something like that. In any case Baltic Pine and the likes of Sadolin etc have technical support helplines who can help recommend the right product to use. cheers, Pete. |
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In article , Pete C
writes If you have painted it already check to see if the paint is a decent quality exterior paint. If not it almost certainly needs a coat of something suitable to protect it from UV damage and weathering. I used the Permaglaze MPV acrylic gloss paint, I've not idea whether it his good quality or not (how does one tell?) but it does say it's suitable for exterior use. -- |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:08:12 GMT, Tony Raymonds
wrote: In article , Pete C writes If you have painted it already check to see if the paint is a decent quality exterior paint. If not it almost certainly needs a coat of something suitable to protect it from UV damage and weathering. I used the Permaglaze MPV acrylic gloss paint, I've not idea whether it his good quality or not (how does one tell?) but it does say it's suitable for exterior use. Hi, Sounds good, probably best just to recoat at the recommended interval. cheers, Pete. |
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