Hi

A belated thansk to everyone who has helped me recently.
Just one further question - I have tried to purchase

http;//tinyurl.com/5yepo

from woodfitbut it seems they are no longer available. Can anyone suggest
any alternative storage system to keep CDs in a drawer?

Thanks

"richard" wrote in message
news
Hi

A belated thansk to everyone who has helped me recently.
Just one further question - I have tried to purchase

http;//tinyurl.com/5yepo

from woodfitbut it seems they are no longer available. Can anyone suggest
any alternative storage system to keep CDs in a drawer?

Ikea do one called Markor £89 - stores 330 - you may want to sand it down
and re-varnish ....

============================

Sorry - forgot to say, the drawers are being built by a capenter, so we're
looking for some sort of insert that will fit into the drawers.

Cheers

Richard

In uk.d-i-y, richard wrote:
A belated thansk to everyone who has helped me recently.

I hope that isn't a reference to previous discussion of CD storage in
drawers, because if so I missed it.

Just one further question - I have tried to purchase

http;//tinyurl.com/5yepo

from woodfitbut it seems they are no longer available. Can anyone suggest
any alternative storage system to keep CDs in a drawer?

We keep CDs in a drawer less formally, i.e. each one leaning on the one
behind. This works well if the number of CDs fits the space available,
so we've made the space adjustable.

Behind the rearmost CD there's a wooden block, the width of a CD case
but only about 50mm high. To move the block, you reach under the drawer
and loosen the butterfly nut which is on a piece of studding protruding
from the bottom of the block. The block, stud, and nut then slide
backwards and forwards in the cunningly-provided slot in the base of the
drawer, and you tighten it all up wherever it works best. There are
three rows of CDs in a drawer so we've got two low divider rails between
the rows.

Hope this makes sense.



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Front Back

--
Mike Barnes

brugnospamsia wrote:

"richard" wrote in message
news
Hi

A belated thansk to everyone who has helped me recently.
Just one further question - I have tried to purchase

http;//tinyurl.com/5yepo

from woodfitbut it seems they are no longer available. Can anyone suggest
any alternative storage system to keep CDs in a drawer?

Ikea do one called Markor £89 - stores 330 - you may want to sand it down
and re-varnish ....

If you like pain and distress. SWMBO against my objections bought two
small tower cd racks (unfinished) knowing that yours truly would finish
them. Now apart from being ugly: but joints at the corners so end grain
obvious on tops, wood with widely different shade and grain I am
instructed to use clear finishes. Did I mention that the thin wooden
slats were practically rough sawn and splintered when sanded? or that
when you put a finish on (sanding sealer on one, bare wax on another)
the glue residue that was in the easy to see but hard to get at places
turned black? It's a good job I ground some 6mm chisels into left and
right handed skews. Very useful for scraping glue out of the spaces
between cd slats. Stay well away from Ikea.....stuff.

Peter

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richard wrote:
Sorry - forgot to say, the drawers are being built by a capenter, so we're
looking for some sort of insert that will fit into the drawers.

Why not simply ask the minion in question?

"Peter Ashby" wrote in message
.ruk...
brugnospamsia wrote:

"richard" wrote in message
news
Hi

A belated thansk to everyone who has helped me recently.
Just one further question - I have tried to purchase

http;//tinyurl.com/5yepo

from woodfitbut it seems they are no longer available. Can anyone
suggest
any alternative storage system to keep CDs in a drawer?

Ikea do one called Markor £89 - stores 330 - you may want to sand it
down
and re-varnish ....

If you like pain and distress. SWMBO against my objections bought two
small tower cd racks (unfinished) knowing that yours truly would finish
them. Now apart from being ugly: but joints at the corners so end grain
obvious on tops, wood with widely different shade and grain I am
instructed to use clear finishes. Did I mention that the thin wooden
slats were practically rough sawn and splintered when sanded? or that
when you put a finish on (sanding sealer on one, bare wax on another)
the glue residue that was in the easy to see but hard to get at places
turned black? It's a good job I ground some 6mm chisels into left and
right handed skews. Very useful for scraping glue out of the spaces
between cd slats. Stay well away from Ikea.....stuff.

I bought 7 of the 6 ft white melamine "Benno" racks - very well made and
finished - my CDs are now neatly divided into 84 sub-genres. Contemplated
making my own one piece job from contiboard but then remembered the brevity
of the proverbial mortal coil.

brugnospamsia wrote:

"Peter Ashby" wrote in message
.ruk...
brugnospamsia wrote:

"richard" wrote in message
news Hi

A belated thansk to everyone who has helped me recently.
Just one further question - I have tried to purchase

http;//tinyurl.com/5yepo

from woodfitbut it seems they are no longer available. Can anyone
suggest
any alternative storage system to keep CDs in a drawer?

Ikea do one called Markor £89 - stores 330 - you may want to sand it
down
and re-varnish ....

If you like pain and distress. SWMBO against my objections bought two
small tower cd racks (unfinished) knowing that yours truly would finish
them. Now apart from being ugly: but joints at the corners so end grain
obvious on tops, wood with widely different shade and grain I am
instructed to use clear finishes. Did I mention that the thin wooden
slats were practically rough sawn and splintered when sanded? or that
when you put a finish on (sanding sealer on one, bare wax on another)
the glue residue that was in the easy to see but hard to get at places
turned black? It's a good job I ground some 6mm chisels into left and
right handed skews. Very useful for scraping glue out of the spaces
between cd slats. Stay well away from Ikea.....stuff.

I bought 7 of the 6 ft white melamine "Benno" racks - very well made and
finished - my CDs are now neatly divided into 84 sub-genres. Contemplated
making my own one piece job from contiboard but then remembered the brevity
of the proverbial mortal coil.

Ah but that would have been in the proper part of Ikea. Mercifully swmbo
only drags me through the 'marketplace'. Melamine is good for the kid's
room, and white is ok since you can now get melamine paints but other
than that....

Peter
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Add my middle initial to email me. It has become attached to a country

"Peter Ashby" wrote in message
k...
brugnospamsia wrote:

"Peter Ashby" wrote in message
.ruk...
brugnospamsia wrote:

"richard" wrote in message
news Hi

A belated thansk to everyone who has helped me recently.
Just one further question - I have tried to purchase

http;//tinyurl.com/5yepo

from woodfitbut it seems they are no longer available. Can anyone
suggest
any alternative storage system to keep CDs in a drawer?

Ikea do one called Markor £89 - stores 330 - you may want to sand it
down
and re-varnish ....

If you like pain and distress. SWMBO against my objections bought two
small tower cd racks (unfinished) knowing that yours truly would
finish
them. Now apart from being ugly: but joints at the corners so end
grain
obvious on tops, wood with widely different shade and grain I am
instructed to use clear finishes. Did I mention that the thin wooden
slats were practically rough sawn and splintered when sanded? or that
when you put a finish on (sanding sealer on one, bare wax on another)
the glue residue that was in the easy to see but hard to get at places
turned black? It's a good job I ground some 6mm chisels into left and
right handed skews. Very useful for scraping glue out of the spaces
between cd slats. Stay well away from Ikea.....stuff.

I bought 7 of the 6 ft white melamine "Benno" racks - very well made and
finished - my CDs are now neatly divided into 84 sub-genres.
Contemplated
making my own one piece job from contiboard but then remembered the
brevity
of the proverbial mortal coil.

Ah but that would have been in the proper part of Ikea. Mercifully swmbo
only drags me through the 'marketplace'. Melamine is good for the kid's
room, and white is ok since you can now get melamine paints but other
than that....


Better than the "faux wood" option they were offering though, and it is my
token "70s Sunday paper cube storage design icon".
I may well have to get around to making doors for them so they fit in with
my new decor ....
I was going to suggest they could be sawn up and used horizontally as
drawers, but then I remembered the adjustable shelves rely on gravity ....

Brugmansia

In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:
my CDs are now neatly divided into 84 sub-genres

Seriously? I have only three genres and I *still* have trouble deciding
which genre some albums belong to.

--
Mike Barnes

Mike Barnes wrote:
In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:
my CDs are now neatly divided into 84 sub-genres

Seriously? I have only three genres and I *still* have trouble deciding
which genre some albums belong to.

If you have 84 sub-genres and 84 CDs it's very simple to decide! :-)

--
Chris Green

wrote in message ...
Mike Barnes wrote:
In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:
my CDs are now neatly divided into 84 sub-genres

Seriously? I have only three genres and I *still* have trouble deciding
which genre some albums belong to.


Always a dilemna, some of my CDs get filed in different places depending on
my my mood ...

If you have 84 sub-genres and 84 CDs it's very simple to decide! :-)


Unfortunately not the case ....

If it wasn't for sound quality considerations I'd copy the whole lot onto a
stack of big hard drives and cross-index to my heart's content.

To tell you the truth my system is in such chaos at the moment it's quicker
to download a dodgy MP3 copy off the net than actually find the track I want
:-(

In fact it's so chaotic I've even bought new copies of things I know I
already own :-( :-(

In article ,
"brugnospamsia" says...

wrote in message ...
Mike Barnes wrote:
In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:
my CDs are now neatly divided into 84 sub-genres

Seriously? I have only three genres and I *still* have trouble deciding
which genre some albums belong to.


Always a dilemna, some of my CDs get filed in different places depending on
my my mood ...

If you have 84 sub-genres and 84 CDs it's very simple to decide! :-)


Unfortunately not the case ....

If it wasn't for sound quality considerations I'd copy the whole lot onto a
stack of big hard drives and cross-index to my heart's content.

To tell you the truth my system is in such chaos at the moment it's quicker
to download a dodgy MP3 copy off the net than actually find the track I want
:-(

In fact it's so chaotic I've even bought new copies of things I know I
already own :-( :-(

So catalogue the whole lot, number each disk consecutively so there's
only one place on the shelf that it can go, and do the categorisation
on your PC, not on your shelf. Using this approach you can catalogue
in any order, when you have the time. The basic list never needs to
be modified, only extended - you can have a field for
present/sold/lost/broken/loaned ...

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
"brugnospamsia" says...

wrote in message
...
Mike Barnes wrote:
In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:
my CDs are now neatly divided into 84 sub-genres

Seriously? I have only three genres and I *still* have trouble
deciding
which genre some albums belong to.


Always a dilemna, some of my CDs get filed in different places depending
on
my my mood ...

If you have 84 sub-genres and 84 CDs it's very simple to decide! :-)


Unfortunately not the case ....

If it wasn't for sound quality considerations I'd copy the whole lot
onto a
stack of big hard drives and cross-index to my heart's content.

To tell you the truth my system is in such chaos at the moment it's
quicker
to download a dodgy MP3 copy off the net than actually find the track I
want
:-(

In fact it's so chaotic I've even bought new copies of things I know I
already own :-( :-(

So catalogue the whole lot, number each disk consecutively so there's
only one place on the shelf that it can go, and do the categorisation
on your PC, not on your shelf. Using this approach you can catalogue
in any order, when you have the time. The basic list never needs to
be modified, only extended - you can have a field for
present/sold/lost/broken/loaned ...


yeah but ......

I've developed this sort of "spatial" relationship with my music - way too
many raves in the 90s (wore earplugs of course) "...and when I'm on form, my
music selection is almost like ballet .... " (Time Out)

I may have to do what you say though before long - it's really getting out
of hand ...

(gawd I really AM starting to sound like Frasier Crane - but I plead "middle
age" and too much entheogenic experimentation ;-)

"richard" wrote in message
news
Hi

A belated thansk to everyone who has helped me recently.
Just one further question - I have tried to purchase

http;//tinyurl.com/5yepo

from woodfitbut it seems they are no longer available. Can anyone suggest
any alternative storage system to keep CDs in a drawer?

Thanks

Is Isaac Lord's (www.isaaclord.co.uk) item 81064324 or 81064333 any good for
the purpose?


--
Richard Sampson

mail me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:
If it wasn't for sound quality considerations I'd copy the whole lot onto a
stack of big hard drives and cross-index to my heart's content.

You must have very fussy^h good ears. I've got all my CDs on one not
particularly big hard drive (over 500 CDs on a 250 Gb drive and it's
nowhere near full). I've done comparative listening tests and they sound
every bit as good as they do on my Meridian and Linn CD players.

I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

--
Mike Barnes

Mike Barnes wrote:
In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:

If it wasn't for sound quality considerations I'd copy the whole lot onto a
stack of big hard drives and cross-index to my heart's content.

You must have very fussy^h good ears. I've got all my CDs on one not
particularly big hard drive (over 500 CDs on a 250 Gb drive and it's
nowhere near full). I've done comparative listening tests and they sound
every bit as good as they do on my Meridian and Linn CD players.

I find there are a few tracks which don't take well to MP3'ing: a type
which the allegedly 'hi-quality' settings of a Frauenhofer encoder
didn't do well on is one where there's lots of flanging and short-delay
reverb applied to breathy vocals (hey, it's *my* musical taste, right?
;-) On two such tracks, I've found the artefacts noticeable not just to
careful listening, but intrusive enough to spoil the pleasure of listening.

But that's the exception - most tracks I too can't readily hear a
difference between the MP3 and the original WAV on the same repro chain;
and I don't want to put the time in to carefully A-B-X them!

Stefek

"Mike Barnes" wrote in message
...
In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:
If it wasn't for sound quality considerations I'd copy the whole lot onto
a
stack of big hard drives and cross-index to my heart's content.

You must have very fussy^h good ears. I've got all my CDs on one not
particularly big hard drive (over 500 CDs on a 250 Gb drive and it's
nowhere near full). I've done comparative listening tests and they sound
every bit as good as they do on my Meridian and Linn CD players.


I'm probably in denial about my ears even though I always took care in
raves.

I certainly thought I could tell the difference 7 years ago when I bought my
Naim CD player -
I use it with a Leak valve amp and stacked Quad ESL57s which tend to show up
limitations elsewhere.

Maybe it's time to do a scientific comparison - I hope I can still tell the
difference having paid so much for my CD player !

Jeremy

In uk.d-i-y, Stefek Zaba wrote:
Mike Barnes wrote:
In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:

If it wasn't for sound quality considerations I'd copy the whole lot
onto a
stack of big hard drives and cross-index to my heart's content.
You must have very fussy^h good ears. I've got all my CDs on one not
particularly big hard drive (over 500 CDs on a 250 Gb drive and it's
nowhere near full). I've done comparative listening tests and they sound
every bit as good as they do on my Meridian and Linn CD players.

I find there are a few tracks which don't take well to MP3'ing

MP3? No chance. I wouldn't consider any lossy compression.

--
Mike Barnes

In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:
Maybe it's time to do a scientific comparison - I hope I can still tell the
difference having paid so much for my CD player !

My Meridian CD player wasn't the most expensive in the world but it was
about £1600 retail. I don't mourn its redundancy - rummaging through
piles of CDs is *so* 20th century.

--
Mike Barnes

In article , january2005
@mikebarnes.fsnet.co.uk says...
In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:
Maybe it's time to do a scientific comparison - I hope I can still tell =
the
difference having paid so much for my CD player !
=20
My Meridian CD player wasn't the most expensive in the world but it was
about =A31600 retail. I don't mourn its redundancy - rummaging through
piles of CDs is *so* 20th century.
=20
=20
Well, I got an Ipod for Christmas and my initial enthusiasm has waned=20
condiderable. CDs I have ripped just don't sound as good on the Ipod as=20
on the portable CD player.

I don't think it is possible to compare listening via head phones to=20
listening via speakers. The experience is so different.

So for casual listening the Ipod is fine but if I want to appreciate=20
then music then its either a portable cd player or the Naim and=20
speakers
--=20
Paul Mc Cann

In uk.d-i-y, Paul Mc Cann wrote:
In article , january2005
says...
In uk.d-i-y, brugnospamsia wrote:
Maybe it's time to do a scientific comparison - I hope I can still tell the
difference having paid so much for my CD player !

My Meridian CD player wasn't the most expensive in the world but it was
about £1600 retail. I don't mourn its redundancy - rummaging through
piles of CDs is *so* 20th century.


Well, I got an Ipod for Christmas and my initial enthusiasm has waned
condiderable. CDs I have ripped just don't sound as good on the Ipod as
on the portable CD player.

There are a lot of factors here, including the quality of the
headphones and the file format employed. I wasn't happy with the
default quality from iTunes so I upped it to 192 kbps AAC. I can't
remember what the default was but I get only about two-thirds the
number of tracks as the iPod is rated at. That 50% extra file size
makes a big difference. I don't use headphones, I hook it up to the
car stereo as a CD changer. The quality is quite good enough for car
use.

I don't think it is possible to compare listening via head phones to
listening via speakers. The experience is so different.

I agree.

So for casual listening the Ipod is fine but if I want to appreciate
then music then its either a portable cd player or the Naim and
speakers

I use a PC (with a good sound card, of course), Meridian amplifiers,
and Cambridge Audio R50 transmission-line speakers. I apply only
lossless compression after ripping CDs

--
Mike Barnes

In article , january2005
@mikebarnes.fsnet.co.uk says...
snip
Well, I got an Ipod for Christmas and my initial enthusiasm has waned
condiderable. CDs I have ripped just don't sound as good on the Ipod as
on the portable CD player.

There are a lot of factors here, including the quality of the
headphones and the file format employed. I wasn't happy with the
default quality from iTunes so I upped it to 192 kbps AAC. I can't
remember what the default was but I get only about two-thirds the
number of tracks as the iPod is rated at. That 50% extra file size
makes a big difference.

I have been using AAC but the highest I can set it in itunes is 128kbps.
How are you getting 192kbps


snip

--
Paul Mc Cann

In uk.d-i-y, Paul Mc Cann wrote:
In article , january2005
says...
snip
Well, I got an Ipod for Christmas and my initial enthusiasm has waned
condiderable. CDs I have ripped just don't sound as good on the Ipod as
on the portable CD player.

There are a lot of factors here, including the quality of the
headphones and the file format employed. I wasn't happy with the
default quality from iTunes so I upped it to 192 kbps AAC. I can't
remember what the default was but I get only about two-thirds the
number of tracks as the iPod is rated at. That 50% extra file size
makes a big difference.

I have been using AAC but the highest I can set it in itunes is 128kbps.
How are you getting 192kbps

iTunes 4.6.0.15
Edit: Preferences: Importing: Setting: Custom: Stereo Bit Rate:
....
128 kbps
160 kbps
192 kbps
224 kbps
256 kbps
320 kbps


This is worth a read:

url:http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~m....ompression/com
pression.html

I use AAC 192 only for the iPod. My master files, also used for home
listening, are WMA Lossless. On Import, iTunes converts WMA Lossless to
AAC 192 without any fuss.

--
Mike Barnes

In article , january2005
@mikebarnes.fsnet.co.uk says...
In uk.d-i-y, Paul Mc Cann wrote:
In article , january2005
says...
snip
Well, I got an Ipod for Christmas and my initial enthusiasm has waned
condiderable. CDs I have ripped just don't sound as good on the Ipod =
as
on the portable CD player.

There are a lot of factors here, including the quality of the
headphones and the file format employed. I wasn't happy with the
default quality from iTunes so I upped it to 192 kbps AAC. I can't
remember what the default was but I get only about two-thirds the
number of tracks as the iPod is rated at. That 50% extra file size
makes a big difference.

I have been using AAC but the highest I can set it in itunes is 128kbps.
How are you getting 192kbps
=20
iTunes 4.6.0.15
Edit: Preferences: Importing: Setting: Custom: Stereo Bit Rate:
...
128 kbps
160 kbps
192 kbps
224 kbps
256 kbps
320 kbps
=20
=20

Doh !

I put it down to the Apple interface. I've been weaned on MS.

I'll give that a go as I do like the Ipod, in general.=20

I've taken to using Etymotic ER6i ( http://www.pjbox.co.uk/Etymotic-
er6i-info.htm but bought them in New York for less in $ than they quote=20
in =A3) and find them very good and not as conspicous as the Sennheiser HD=
=20
497=20


This is worth a read:
=20
url:http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~m....ompression/com
pression.html
=20
I'll have a read

I use AAC 192 only for the iPod. My master files, also used for home
listening, are WMA Lossless. On Import, iTunes converts WMA Lossless to
AAC 192 without any fuss.
=20
=20

Oh God ! I feared this. More technology to battle with when all I want=20
to do is to listen to music ;-)


Thanks for the help.


--=20
Paul Mc Cann

In uk.d-i-y, Paul Mc Cann wrote:
[iTunes]
Doh !

I put it down to the Apple interface. I've been weaned on MS.

I know, I know. It has "This wasn't written by anybody familiar with
Windows" written all over it. Either that or they're being wilfully
difficult.

I've taken to using Etymotic ER6i ( http://www.pjbox.co.uk/Etymotic-
er6i-info.htm but bought them in New York for less in $ than they quote
in £) and find them very good and not as conspicous as the Sennheiser HD
497

Are they actually noise-cancelling or just well insulated? The other
thought that springs to mind is where the remote control would fit. I've
only used the iPod earphones once and the remote was really handy.

[...]
Oh God ! I feared this. More technology to battle with when all I want
to do is to listen to music ;-)

To me the technology is part of the fun, and it's resulted in me
listening to more music.

--
Mike Barnes

In article , january2005
@mikebarnes.fsnet.co.uk says...
In uk.d-i-y, Paul Mc Cann wrote:
[iTunes]
Doh !

I put it down to the Apple interface. I've been weaned on MS.
=20
I know, I know. It has "This wasn't written by anybody familiar with
Windows" written all over it. Either that or they're being wilfully
difficult.
=20

The first time I picked up an Ipod I threw it down in disgust. So un-
intuitive. Clever for cleverness sake and not even that good.=20

Their PC interface isn't much better. Its years since I've had to dip=20
into a help file for instructions on the basics.


I've taken to using Etymotic ER6i ( http://www.pjbox.co.uk/Etymotic-
er6i-info.htm but bought them in New York for less in $ than they quote
in =A3) and find them very good and not as conspicous as the Sennheiser =
HD
497
=20
Are they actually noise-cancelling or just well insulated? The other
thought that springs to mind is where the remote control would fit. I've
only used the iPod earphones once and the remote was really handy.


Not noise cancelling though they do make good ear protectors even with=20
mo music playing. Equally they don't emit that annoying tzz tzzz that=20
drives those close to you insane.

No remote controll on my Ipod. There is on my Sony portable cd player=20
which just clips to shirt.=20

snip

--=20
Paul Mc Cann