"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:37:37 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Having said that, I have a feeling that this exemption thing has
the
potential for abuse - i.e. if the customer doesnt want a condensing
boiler or the non-condensing one remains cheaper etc. the form gets
filled in. The wording is sufficiently loose in that the
householder only has to say that a possible location is not
suitable
and the fitter signs off the paper. Nobody's going to pick it up
AFAICS.

Until few condensing boilers are sold and the Ministry starts to see
why.


About 2006-7 by the time data is gathered.

It will be interesting to see what the vendors do. Presumably
condensing products will drop a bit in price as volumes increase.
Whether older non-condensers will increase in price as volume drops or
not because the return on development is already retrieved it's hard
to say.

The implication would seem to be that for replacements of wall mount
boilers that assuming they are on an outside wall that a condensing
replacement would have to happen, since a) no move of room and b)
likely to be on outside wall if present unit is oldish without fan
flue.

Replacements of floor standing units in existing location could also
not be exempt because if the points for a house plus long flue plus
condensate drain are added it comes to 890 for detached/semi/end
terrace or 940 for mid terrace. I guess that floor standing units
in a flat are not that common.

So it seems to only leave back burners after the above cases.

In my case, I have a floor-standing cast iron boiler in the dining room,
which is now not considered a valid position to put a boiler, so I
automatically get an extra 350 points. So regardless of whether I keep
the boiler where it is, I can decide whether or not to have a condensing
boiler because I get over 1000 points.

It's interesting to note that I can put my new either-condensing-or-not
boiler in extactly the same place if I want to but, as I read it, I
still get the 350 points because the position is 'invalid'.

Neil

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"IMM" writes:

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
I have just looked in after several years away to find that nothing
much
has changed, at least as far as John Burns-Curtis (AKA IMM) is
concerned.

Wrong id.

Oh, have you changed your name then?
It looks like you stopped calling yourself
John Burns-Curtis about 2 years ago on the net.

wrong id

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"IMM" writes:

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
I have just looked in after several years away to find that nothing
much
has changed, at least as far as John Burns-Curtis (AKA IMM) is
concerned.

Wrong id.

Oh, have you changed your name then?
It looks like you stopped calling yourself
John Burns-Curtis about 2 years ago on the net.

No, he still calls himself that in some places.

wrong id.

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"IMM" writes:

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
I have just looked in after several years away to find that
nothing
much
has changed, at least as far as John Burns-Curtis (AKA IMM) is
concerned.

Wrong id.

Oh, have you changed your name then?
It looks like you stopped calling yourself
John Burns-Curtis about 2 years ago on the net.

No, he still calls himself that in some places.

wrong id.





Really? So azbxcydwev doesn't ring any bells then?

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"IMM" writes:

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
I have just looked in after several years away to find that
nothing
much
has changed, at least as far as John Burns-Curtis (AKA IMM) is
concerned.

Wrong id.

Oh, have you changed your name then?
It looks like you stopped calling yourself
John Burns-Curtis about 2 years ago on the net.

No, he still calls himself that in some places.

wrong id.

Really? So azbxcydwev doesn't ring any bells then?

No. Are you taking Plowman lessons?

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

I knew someone once named Neil Jones. He worse big thick glasses.

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

I knew someone once named Neil Jones.

There are a lot of us about.

The message
from "IMM" contains these words:

I have just looked in after several years away to find that nothing much
has changed, at least as far as John Burns-Curtis (AKA IMM) is
concerned.

Wrong id. Several years away. Please stay away then.

What's the matter John? Still consider this ng your personal fiefdom or
are you worried I will remind everyone that you were the dumbo who asked
whether metres cubed was a measure of velocity? Not that that should
worry you considering the ample evidence for your terminal stupidity you
provide on a daily basis.

--
Roger

In article ,
IMM wrote:
I knew someone once named Neil Jones. He worse big thick glasses.

Perhaps you should borrow them so you could see what you've written?

--
*Plagiarism saves time *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Neil Jones wrote:
Oh, have you changed your name then?
It looks like you stopped calling yourself
John Burns-Curtis about 2 years ago on the net.

No, he still calls himself that in some places.

Obviously a middle englander by the name and fallen on bad times so biting
the hand, etc?

--
*What happens when none of your bees wax? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:35:16 GMT, Roger
wrote:

The message
from "IMM" contains these words:

I have just looked in after several years away to find that nothing much
has changed, at least as far as John Burns-Curtis (AKA IMM) is
concerned.

Wrong id. Several years away. Please stay away then.

What's the matter John? Still consider this ng your personal fiefdom or
are you worried I will remind everyone that you were the dumbo who asked
whether metres cubed was a measure of velocity? Not that that should
worry you considering the ample evidence for your terminal stupidity you
provide on a daily basis.

You should read about his recent exploits with a hacksaw and plastic
pipe, Roger. He still believes that all the manufacturer's
instructions are wrong.....



--

..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:35:16 GMT, Roger
wrote:

The message
from "IMM" contains these words:

I have just looked in after several years away to find that nothing
much
has changed, at least as far as John Burns-Curtis (AKA IMM) is
concerned.

Wrong id. Several years away. Please stay away then.

What's the matter John? Still consider this ng your personal fiefdom or
are you worried I will remind everyone that you were the dumbo who asked
whether metres cubed was a measure of velocity? Not that that should
worry you considering the ample evidence for your terminal stupidity you
provide on a daily basis.

You

snip babable

Andy you been recently called a ****. That is sad.

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
The message
from "IMM" contains these words:

I have just looked in after several years away to find that nothing
much
has changed, at least as far as John Burns-Curtis (AKA IMM) is
concerned.

Wrong id. Several years away. Please stay away then.

What's the matter

snip babble

Are you that dumb Roger Chapman? He was a thicko. The ng fool. Plowman
and him deserved each other. Are you him?

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
IMM wrote:

I knew someone once named Neil Jones. He wore big thick glasses.

Perhaps you should borrow them so you could see what you've written?

They were like the bottoms of guiness bottles. Do you wear big thick
glasses?

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
Wrong id. Several years away. Please stay away then.

What's the matter John? Still consider this ng your personal fiefdom or
are you worried I will remind everyone that you were the dumbo who asked
whether metres cubed was a measure of velocity? Not that that should
worry you considering the ample evidence for your terminal stupidity you
provide on a daily basis.

You should read about his recent exploits with a hacksaw and plastic
pipe, Roger. He still believes that all the manufacturer's
instructions are wrong.....

Think not knowing the difference between flow and pressure was a classic
from one who claims to be a 'heating engineer' ;-)

--
*Why don't sheep shrink when it rains?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

I knew someone once named Neil Jones.

There are a lot of us about.

Is it a large bespectacled family?

In article ,
IMM wrote:
I knew someone once named Neil Jones. He wore big thick glasses.

Perhaps you should borrow them so you could see what you've written?

They were like the bottoms of guiness bottles.

Judging by many of your posts, you're an expert on those too.

Do you wear big thick glasses?

Certainly not. Contact lenses since the time they were rare.

--
*To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated, but not be able to say it.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Think not knowing the difference
between flow and pressure

You and that Roger Chapman foolish chap are obviously insane. Please get
professional help before they lock you up. You have to be violent before
they lock you up. Have you been into bouts of violence lately?

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
IMM wrote:
I knew someone once named Neil Jones. He wore big thick glasses.

Perhaps you should borrow them so you could see what you've written?

They were like the bottoms of guiness bottles.

Judging by many of your posts, you're an expert on those too.

Do you wear big thick glasses?

Certainly not. Contact lenses since the time they were rare.

--
*To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated, but not be able to say it.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
IMM wrote:
I knew someone once named Neil Jones. He wore big thick glasses.

Perhaps you should borrow them so you could see what you've written?

They were like the bottoms of guiness bottles.

Judging by many of your posts, you're an expert on those too.

I am an expert on everything and life in general.

Do you wear big thick glasses?

Certainly not. Contact lenses since the time they were rare.

Is your name Neil Jones? Er, er, er, no, no. What a saddo.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:52:49 -0000, "IMM" strung
together this:

Absolutely nothing, best post yet.
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd
Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject

In article ,
IMM wrote:

Think not knowing the difference between flow and pressure was a
classic from one who claims to be a 'heating engineer' ;-)


You and that Roger Chapman foolish chap are obviously insane. Please get
professional help before they lock you up. You have to be violent before
they lock you up. Have you been into bouts of violence lately?

Perhaps you need reminding? All the 'snip rubbish' you write can't hide
your howlers from Google...

--
*Toilet stolen from police station. Cops have nothing to go on.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Now get professional help.

snip babble

In article ,
IMM wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Now get professional help.

Lock in at the pub again?

snip babble

Doesn't that hurt?

--
*I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

I knew someone once named Neil Jones.

There are a lot of us about.

Is it a large bespectacled family?

If it is, do you feel it is appropriate to use sensory impairment for
ridicule?

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

I knew someone once named Neil Jones.

There are a lot of us about.

Is it a large bespectacled family?

If it is, do you feel it is appropriate to use sensory impairment for
ridicule?

I see no ridicule. This family trite may distinguish you from the crowd.

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

I knew someone once named Neil Jones.

There are a lot of us about.

Is it a large bespectacled family?

If it is, do you feel it is appropriate to use sensory impairment
for
ridicule?

I see no ridicule. This family trite may distinguish you from the
crowd.

Allowing for your poor grasp of English, I doubt it very much. A search
of friends reunited shows 400 Neil Joneses have registered. A number of
these will probably have less than 20/20 vision.

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

I knew someone once named Neil Jones.

There are a lot of us about.

Is it a large bespectacled family?

If it is, do you feel it is appropriate to use sensory impairment
for
ridicule?

I see no ridicule. This family trate may distinguish you from the
crowd.

Allowing for your poor grasp of English, I doubt it very much. A search
of friends reunited shows 400 Neil Joneses have registered. A number of
these will probably have less than 20/20 vision.

It seems like all.

Andy Hall wrote:

"Mike" wrote:

Can anybody tell me what a condensate pump is

These are widely used in air conditioning systems

Where they are notorious for eventually leaking, I don't know of a
single computer room with air conditioning which *hasn't* had a leak at
one time or another :-(

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:11:53 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

"Mike" wrote:

Can anybody tell me what a condensate pump is

These are widely used in air conditioning systems

Where they are notorious for eventually leaking, I don't know of a
single computer room with air conditioning which *hasn't* had a leak at
one time or another :-(

Usually it's because the outlet pipe gets blocked with crud.

With AC systems there are supposed to be interlocks so that if the
condensate container overfills because the pump isn;t working or other
reason, there is some kind of alarm or shutdown.

I somehow doubt that this is provided on those for use with boilers
and there would need to be a wiring hook in anyway - although not hard
to achieve. Some of the larger floor standing boilers have
provision for a condensate pump as an option, I believe,



--

..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

I knew someone once named Neil Jones.

There are a lot of us about.

Is it a large bespectacled family?

If it is, do you feel it is appropriate to use sensory
impairment
for
ridicule?

I see no ridicule. This family trate may distinguish you from the
crowd.

Allowing for your poor grasp of English, I doubt it very much. A
search
of friends reunited shows 400 Neil Joneses have registered. A number
of
these will probably have less than 20/20 vision.

It seems like all.

I think we all know by now that your perception is often a long way from
reality.

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

I knew someone once named Neil Jones.

There are a lot of us about.

Is it a large bespectacled family?

If it is, do you feel it is appropriate to use sensory
impairment
for
ridicule?

I see no ridicule. This family trate may distinguish you from the
crowd.

Allowing for your poor grasp of English, I doubt it very much. A
search
of friends reunited shows 400 Neil Joneses have registered. A number
of
these will probably have less than 20/20 vision.

It seems like all.

I think we all know by now that your perception is often a long way from
reality.

Gosh.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:11:53 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

"Mike" wrote:

Can anybody tell me what a condensate pump is

These are widely used in air conditioning systems

Where they are notorious for eventually leaking, I don't know of a
single computer room with air conditioning which *hasn't* had a leak at
one time or another :-(

Usually it's because the outlet pipe gets blocked with crud.

With AC systems there are supposed to be interlocks so that if the
condensate container overfills because the pump isn;t working or other
reason, there is some kind of alarm or shutdown.

I somehow doubt that this is provided on those for use with boilers
and there would need to be a wiring hook in anyway - although not hard
to achieve. Some of the larger floor standing boilers have
provision for a condensate pump as an option, I believe,





IME the main reason for condensate collector sets leaking is an accumulation
of dead insects blocking the outlet pipe. "Regular" service which includes
checking and cleaning this out is often the key to the problem