I have just had a smoke test done on my victorian brick chimney and
found that smoke comes out of two chimney pots on my roof. As a result
it seems I need a new steel flue liner. I have asked for quotes for
installation and apart from the fact that the "Corgi" engineer turned
out not to be the quotes were astronomical. So, to DIY...


It seems that what I need is a 316 grade multi fuel liner, minimum
diameter is 175mm (7"). The price appears to be 21.14 per metre which
isn't too bad (especially compared to the 60 pounds a metre I was quoted
by the guy who wanted to do the installation). There are also fairly
clearish instructions at http://www.fluesystems.com/ it seems. However,
is there anything I should know before embarking on this?

For example, what is the situation with the chimney "certificate" that
seems to be needed before you can have a gas fire attached. Clearly a
certificate written by me doesn't seem quite right Of course all I
have currently is a fail from the chimney sweep.

Raphael

lesshaste wrote:
I have just had a smoke test done on my victorian brick chimney and
found that smoke comes out of two chimney pots on my roof. As a result
it seems I need a new steel flue liner. I have asked for quotes for
installation and apart from the fact that the "Corgi" engineer turned
out not to be the quotes were astronomical. So, to DIY...


It seems that what I need is a 316 grade multi fuel liner, minimum
diameter is 175mm (7"). The price appears to be 21.14 per metre which
isn't too bad (especially compared to the 60 pounds a metre I was quoted
by the guy who wanted to do the installation).

Actually 37.42/metre... I got the wrong price.

Raphael

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:36:41 +0000, lesshaste
wrote:

I have just had a smoke test done on my victorian brick chimney and
found that smoke comes out of two chimney pots on my roof. As a result
it seems I need a new steel flue liner. I have asked for quotes for
installation and apart from the fact that the "Corgi" engineer turned
out not to be the quotes were astronomical. So, to DIY...

The first issue really is to consider what happened to Rod Hull!!.

Do you feel comfortable working at heights? do you have a decent
ladder & cat ladder & fall arrest equipment?

The common product for this job is referred to as Copex liner (brand
name),,there will be others. Basically you tie a rope and weight to
one end,drop it down the chimney,one poor soul is on the roof feeding
it down,the other poor soul is at the botoom pulling the rope and
getting full of soot. Dont forget to nail a dust sheet up across the
fire opening to contain the mess,put dust sheets down,wear dust masks.
You then need to ensure that it is properly terminated and sealed at
both ends

joe

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:55:26 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



Pass. I don't have gas.


Not according to some people around here.........

MJ

It seems that Kopex may not be a good suggestion after all. All the
advice I have got from shops and chimney specialists is that I need a
class 1 liner (which Kopex isn't) unless I buy one of the rare gas fires
that can cope with class 2 or Kopex.


A quick trawl through the instruction for several gas fires shows
about half as being suitable for _any_ flue type.


--
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The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html


Class 1 liner? I had both a Stovax stove and an open gas fire fitted last
year. Both required liners (as our chimney was breached), but were told the
regulations had changed with respect to open gas fires so a flexible class 2
liner was fine. This cost around £360 or so, including fitting (though this
might have been for both of them and not just one).

If I were you I'd check out whether a class 2 liner will actually do as this
is a lot cheaper.

HTH.

L Reid wrote:
It seems that Kopex may not be a good suggestion after all. All the
advice I have got from shops and chimney specialists is that I need a
class 1 liner (which Kopex isn't) unless I buy one of the rare gas fires
that can cope with class 2 or Kopex.



A quick trawl through the instruction for several gas fires shows
about half as being suitable for _any_ flue type.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html



Class 1 liner? I had both a Stovax stove and an open gas fire fitted last
year. Both required liners (as our chimney was breached), but were told the
regulations had changed with respect to open gas fires so a flexible class 2
liner was fine. This cost around £360 or so, including fitting (though this
might have been for both of them and not just one).

If I were you I'd check out whether a class 2 liner will actually do as this
is a lot cheaper.

HTH.


You couldn't tell me who did the work could you?

Raphael

"lesshaste" wrote in message
...
L Reid wrote:
It seems that Kopex may not be a good suggestion after all. All the
advice I have got from shops and chimney specialists is that I need a
class 1 liner (which Kopex isn't) unless I buy one of the rare gas
fires
that can cope with class 2 or Kopex.



A quick trawl through the instruction for several gas fires shows
about half as being suitable for _any_ flue type.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html



Class 1 liner? I had both a Stovax stove and an open gas fire fitted
last
year. Both required liners (as our chimney was breached), but were told
the
regulations had changed with respect to open gas fires so a flexible
class 2
liner was fine. This cost around £360 or so, including fitting (though
this
might have been for both of them and not just one).

If I were you I'd check out whether a class 2 liner will actually do as
this
is a lot cheaper.

HTH.


You couldn't tell me who did the work could you?

Raphael

I could but that's probably not a lot of use to you unless you live in
Edinburgh. There were two places I had quotes for getting this done, neither
of which were 'national' companies. However one was a small gas appliance
shop that also did fitting (they actually did it - a company called World of
Gas that'll pop up on Yell for edinburgh), and another was by a small
company that sweep and repair chimneys, though they only really do sweeping
now, but will fit the class 2 liners as they're not generally a lot of
hastle. I'd put 'chimney sweeps' in the yell for your area (or look in the
yellow pages) and get a couple of opinions from there.

Good luck!

L Reid wrote:
"lesshaste" wrote in message
...

L Reid wrote:

It seems that Kopex may not be a good suggestion after all. All the
advice I have got from shops and chimney specialists is that I need a
class 1 liner (which Kopex isn't) unless I buy one of the rare gas

fires

that can cope with class 2 or Kopex.



A quick trawl through the instruction for several gas fires shows
about half as being suitable for _any_ flue type.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html



Class 1 liner? I had both a Stovax stove and an open gas fire fitted

last

year. Both required liners (as our chimney was breached), but were told

the

regulations had changed with respect to open gas fires so a flexible

class 2

liner was fine. This cost around £360 or so, including fitting (though

this

might have been for both of them and not just one).

If I were you I'd check out whether a class 2 liner will actually do as

this

is a lot cheaper.

HTH.



You couldn't tell me who did the work could you?

Raphael


I could but that's probably not a lot of use to you unless you live in
Edinburgh. There were two places I had quotes for getting this done, neither
of which were 'national' companies. However one was a small gas appliance
shop that also did fitting (they actually did it - a company called World of
Gas that'll pop up on Yell for edinburgh), and another was by a small
company that sweep and repair chimneys, though they only really do sweeping
now, but will fit the class 2 liners as they're not generally a lot of
hastle. I'd put 'chimney sweeps' in the yell for your area (or look in the
yellow pages) and get a couple of opinions from there.

Good luck!



Thanks very much. I have, at last found and understood the regulations.
They are best summaried by a quote from the NACE website.

"TECHNICAL FILE T300 N2 O D 1- LININGS FOR GAS FIRES
There have been many people fitting single skin flexible flue liners for
use with gas fires. Approved document J Table 3.2 states that the
category of flue liner required for a gas fire is:

* T300 N2 O D 1

All of the single skin liners currently on the market are only rated at
T250 and so are suitable for gas boiler flues but not gas fires. It is
important, as you now sign a form to say your installation conforms with
approved Document J that you ensure you are using the correct liner for
the correct job.

All the solid fuel rated liners are T 450 N2 S D 3 and so are a higher
rating than needed and so can be used with gas fires.
"
(Mine is a gallery arch tray mc bg2 DFE fire)

The plot thickens...

Raphael