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I've never had problems with any of the major brands, including
Speedfit.

You have only used a few foot of the stuff. Duh!

You have no idea how much I've used and under what circumstances.

You have only used a few foot of the stuff. Duh!

Of course, I've always used the manufacturer's recommended fitting
methods and tools..........

..and been ripped off.


For a fiver for the proper tool to do a job? You have some very
funny ideas.



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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:09:51 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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I've never had problems with any of the major brands, including
Speedfit.

You have only used a few foot of the stuff. Duh!

You have no idea how much I've used and under what circumstances.

You have only used a few foot of the stuff. Duh!

Of course, I've always used the manufacturer's recommended fitting
methods and tools..........

..and been ripped off.


For a fiver for the proper tool to do a job? You have some very
funny ideas.

No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:48:57 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:09:51 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:19:04 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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I've never had problems with any of the major brands, including
Speedfit.

You have only used a few foot of the stuff. Duh!

You have no idea how much I've used and under what circumstances.

You have only used a few foot of the stuff. Duh!

Of course, I've always used the manufacturer's recommended fitting
methods and tools..........

..and been ripped off.


For a fiver for the proper tool to do a job? You have some very
funny ideas.

No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.


Oh really?

http://www.toolstation.com/search.ht...69222&Search=1

£5.32 inc VAT.




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"Owain" wrote in message
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| This what he wears, yes he does...he said...
| "Well, I got a rather flash pair of DeWalt boots from TLC, so there.;-)"
| Sad isn't it. Big yellow boots. Yes. big yellow boots.

What is wrong with yellow boots? I expect they're very useful for seeing
where your feet are in the dark.

I know where my feet are.

You know how you always get a pack of christmas cards from "foot &
mouth" painters at this time of year? I think we've discovered a foot
& mouth plumber!

MBQ

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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:48:57 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:09:51 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:19:04 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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I've never had problems with any of the major brands, including
Speedfit.

You have only used a few foot of the stuff. Duh!

You have no idea how much I've used and under what circumstances.

You have only used a few foot of the stuff. Duh!

Of course, I've always used the manufacturer's recommended fitting
methods and tools..........

..and been ripped off.


For a fiver for the proper tool to do a job? You have some very
funny ideas.

No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.


Oh really?

http://www.toolstation.com/search.ht...69222&Search=1

The plastic pipe makers sell their own tools. None are a fiver.

"MBQ" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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"Owain" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote
| Here is this Plowman giving advise on CH..read on...
| This what he wears, yes he does...he said...
| "Well, I got a rather flash pair of DeWalt boots from TLC, so
there.;-)"
| Sad isn't it. Big yellow boots. Yes. big yellow boots.

What is wrong with yellow boots? I expect they're very useful for
seeing
where your feet are in the dark.

I know where my feet are.

You know how you always get a pack of christmas cards from "foot &
mouth" painters at this time of year?

I never, and I have no idea of what you are on about.

Kalico wrote in message ceiling below!!

Speedfit! No way - use Hep2O instead and worry less about leaks.

Rob

I've used plenty of speedfit - no leaks at all even after
disassembling/reassembling.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:48:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:



No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.


Oh really?

http://www.toolstation.com/search.ht...69222&Search=1

The plastic pipe makers sell their own tools. None are a fiver.


.... and your point is?

I don't think I've ever seen a Hepworth or JG pipe cutter in a
plumber's merchants. Typically they have Rothenberger ones which
probably do cost more than a fiver.

Frankly,even if they cost £15 it doesn't matter if the result is that
a proper joint is made under a bathroom floor.

The cost of fixing the ceiling below and ripping up the tiles on the
bathroom floor is going to vastly exceed £15 if the work is bodged as
you suggest and do rather than being done properly.



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Kalico wrote in message ceiling below!!

Speedfit! No way - use Hep2O instead and worry less about leaks.

Rob

I've used plenty of speedfit - no leaks at all even after
disassembling/reassembling.

Very lucky man.

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:48:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:



No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.


Oh really?

http://www.toolstation.com/search.ht...69222&Search=1

The plastic pipe makers sell their own tools. None are a fiver.

... and your point is?

The makers tools are not a fiver. Duh!

Frankly,even if they cost £15 it
doesn't matter if the result is that
a proper joint is made under a bathroom floor.

A proper joint can be make without a specialist cutter. The cutter makes
matters quicker, nothing else.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:06:51 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:48:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:



No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.


Oh really?

http://www.toolstation.com/search.ht...69222&Search=1

The plastic pipe makers sell their own tools. None are a fiver.

... and your point is?

The makers tools are not a fiver. Duh!

So what.


Frankly,even if they cost £15 it
doesn't matter if the result is that
a proper joint is made under a bathroom floor.

A proper joint can be make without a specialist cutter. The cutter makes
matters quicker, nothing else.

The manufacturers (all of them) recommend using a pipe cutter.
It doesn't have to be *their* pipe cutter, just *a* pipe cutter of
suitable type.

Even if they were pushing *their* pipe cutter, I really don't think
that they would be making their shareholders happy on the revenues of
selling pipe cutters vs. pipe and fittings, do you?

In your case it also seems to make the difference between doing a
proper job and screwing up.

You're not arguing from a position of strength exactly, are you?



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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:06:51 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:48:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:



No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.


Oh really?

http://www.toolstation.com/search.ht...69222&Search=1

The plastic pipe makers sell their own tools. None are a fiver.

... and your point is?

The makers tools are not a fiver. Duh!

So what.


Frankly,even if they cost £15 it
doesn't matter if the result is that
a proper joint is made under a bathroom floor.

A proper joint can be make without a
specialist cutter. The cutter makes
matters quicker, nothing else.

The manufacturers (all of them) recommend
using a pipe cutter.

They "recommend", not say it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this ng stated
a specialist cutter is not necessary.

Are your really so dumb!

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:35:22 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:06:51 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:48:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:



No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.


Oh really?

http://www.toolstation.com/search.ht...69222&Search=1

The plastic pipe makers sell their own tools. None are a fiver.

... and your point is?

The makers tools are not a fiver. Duh!

So what.


Frankly,even if they cost £15 it
doesn't matter if the result is that
a proper joint is made under a bathroom floor.

A proper joint can be make without a
specialist cutter. The cutter makes
matters quicker, nothing else.

The manufacturers (all of them) recommend
using a pipe cutter.

They "recommend", not say it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this ng stated
a specialist cutter is not necessary.


In manufacturer's published installation directions there is either a
specific instruction not to use a hack saw but to use a proper pipe
cutter, or two pictures with a red cross and a green tick indicating
the same for those unable to read. By the way the cross means "don't
do" - it isn't a kiss.


Are your really so dumb!


It's "you're" by the way.


No, which is why I follow the instructions, use the proper tools and
get a good result.

You, on the other hand, who thought he knew better than the
instructions, bodged a job by using a hack saw and then wondered why
he didn't get satisfactory results are advocating that others do the
same.

Now you're suggesting that I'm dumb?



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IMM wrote:

Of course, I've always used the manufacturer's recommended fitting
methods and tools..........

..and been ripped off.


For a fiver for the proper tool to do a job? You have some very
funny ideas.

No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.

Several makers sell cutters for much less than a fiver. And all
manufacturers of push fit fittings recommend that the installer uses a
cutter.

snip

Read my posts on this.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:35:22 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:06:51 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:48:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:



No maker sell those cutters for a fiver, more like £15.


Oh really?

http://www.toolstation.com/search.ht...69222&Search=1

The plastic pipe makers sell their own tools. None are a fiver.

... and your point is?

The makers tools are not a fiver. Duh!

So what.


Frankly,even if they cost £15 it
doesn't matter if the result is that
a proper joint is made under a bathroom floor.

A proper joint can be make without a
specialist cutter. The cutter makes
matters quicker, nothing else.

The manufacturers (all of them) recommend
using a pipe cutter.

They "recommend", not say it is mandatory.
Even Hepworth on this ng stated
a specialist cutter is not necessary.

In manufacturer's published installation directions there is

snip drivel

I said..."They "recommend", not say it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this
ng stated a specialist cutter is not necessary." Now read that out loud for
a few hours.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:

Several makers sell cutters for much less than a fiver. And all
manufacturers of push fit fittings recommend that the installer uses a
cutter.

snip

Read my posts on this

I did,

snip tripe

Cor! A mentalist. Well nothing sunk in then did it.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:07:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:




I said..."They "recommend", not say it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this
ng stated a specialist cutter is not necessary." Now read that out loud for
a few hours.



From the John Guest Website:

http://www.johnguest.co.uk/makeconnect.asp

"NOTE: Do NOT use a hacksaw"

From Hepworth:

http://www.hep2o.co.uk/v2Opipecutting1.cfm

"Figure No. 1
Do not use a hacksaw
to cut Hep2O pipe. "

From Marley Equator

http://www.equator.co.uk/newwebsite/...on_making.html

"Cut the PE-X pipe to length using the Marley pipe cutter or similar
plastic pipe cutter. Slight pressure as if to twist the cutter around
the pipe will aid cutting."

No mention of using anything other than a plastic pipe cutter.

From Polyplumb:

http://www.polypipe.com/polypipe/pp_...sys_02-02.html

"Always use one of the approved pipe cutters (Code PB777 or PB778)
Never use a Hacksaw "

From OsmaGold

www.wavin.co.uk

"1. After measuring, cut the pipe at one of the marks using a plastic
pipe cutter
DO NOT cut OsmaGold pipe with a hacksaw, wheeled tube cutter or
Stanley knife. "





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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:07:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:

I said..."They "recommend", not say
it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this
ng stated a specialist cutter is not necessary."
Now read that out loud for a few hours.

snip drivel

Here is what Hepworth tech dept said on this very ng, that is uk.d-i-y.

"The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable clean,
square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team"

Now chant that back to yourself for a few days.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:42:58 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:07:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:

I said..."They "recommend", not say
it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this
ng stated a specialist cutter is not necessary."
Now read that out loud for a few hours.

snip drivel

Here is what Hepworth tech dept said on this very ng, that is uk.d-i-y.

"The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable clean,
square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team"



The inventive, perhaps, but not the incompetent.

If this were a general recommendation it would be in the leaflet and
web site.

What do you imagine they would say to you if you wrote to them saying
that you wanted to claim under their guarantee, having hacked the pipe
around with a hacksaw and getting a leak?

I expect they would ask you whether you enjoy sex and travel.




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"IMM" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:07:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:

I said..."They "recommend", not say
it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this
ng stated a specialist cutter is not necessary."
Now read that out loud for a few hours.

snip drivel

Here is what Hepworth tech dept said on this very ng, that is uk.d-i-y.

"The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable
clean,
square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team"

Now chant that back to yourself for a few days.

What they actually said (on this n-g etc) was:

"...It is for this reason a hacksaw should not be used.

The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable clean,
square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team"

I feel a reasonable reader might conclude that the "variety of tools" did
not include a hacksaw!


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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:42:58 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:07:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:

I said..."They "recommend", not say
it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this
ng stated a specialist cutter is not necessary."
Now read that out loud for a few hours.

snip drivel

Here is what Hepworth tech dept said on this very ng, that is uk.d-i-y.

"The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable
clean,
square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products
Team"

The inventive, perhaps, but not the incompetent.

Exactly! Professionals usually are inventive. Unknowledgeable amateurs are
not.

snip drivel

What they actually said (on this n-g etc) was:

"...It is for this reason a hacksaw should not be used.

Game, set and match!

I can't believe he misquoted from a post that specifically excluded hacksaws
as a suitable tool, as "proof" that Hepworth recommends them. That is
tantamount to libel.

http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22Th...rld.com&rnum=1

Come on IMM, surely you didn't expect to get away with that? It's like
quoting someone whilst cutting out the "not"!

Christian.

(Full text follows)

We do recommend the use of a Hep2O pipe cutter, however any pipe cutter
designed to cut plastics pipes should be suitable. One of the major
advantages of a purpose designed cutter is speed, however the requirements
for the cutter are that it should cut the tube square without scoring or
scratching the pipe or leaving burrs or swarf which could get under the 'O'
ring. It is for this reason that hacksaws should not be used.

The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable clean,
square cut using a variety of tools.

The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team

Then you can go back later and be re-assured when you see the mark
is there. Before I adopted that technique I had to undo a few
to double-check that I did fit the insert.

I like that idea. I am prone to that personality defect known as being a
"checker". I'm always returning to the toilet to make sure I flushed it!

Christian.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:19:38 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

What they actually said (on this n-g etc) was:

"...It is for this reason a hacksaw should not be used.

Game, set and match!

I can't believe he misquoted from a post that specifically excluded hacksaws
as a suitable tool, as "proof" that Hepworth recommends them. That is
tantamount to libel.

http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22Th...rld.com&rnum=1

Come on IMM, surely you didn't expect to get away with that? It's like
quoting someone whilst cutting out the "not"!

Christian.


I think he learns from his hero, jag+=2;

Just wait. He'll be telling us that people in the north east want a
regional assembly. Nanny knows best.



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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:21:23 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

Then you can go back later and be re-assured when you see the mark
is there. Before I adopted that technique I had to undo a few
to double-check that I did fit the insert.

I like that idea. I am prone to that personality defect known as being a
"checker". I'm always returning to the toilet to make sure I flushed it!

Christian.


I bet you go back into the house after you shut the front door behind
you to check that you locked the windows and turned off the kettle :-)

It's OK. So do I sometimes ;-)




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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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Just wait. He'll be telling us that people in the north east want a
regional assembly. Nanny knows best.

They need one so as the southerners are not telling them what to do.

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
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however the requirements
for the cutter are that it should
cut the tube square without scoring or
scratching the pipe or leaving burrs or swarf which could get under the
'O'
ring.

Exactly. An pro can do that with a number of tools.

"Bob Mannix" wrote in message
...

"...It is for this reason a hacksaw should not be used.

The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable
clean,
square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team"

A hacksaw can score the external surface of a pipe? How? A good one make a
nice straight clean cut, and then finish off with fine files knives etc.

"Bob Mannix" wrote in message
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The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable
clean,
square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team"

They are certainly not saying only specialist cutters can be used, that is
clear.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:56:59 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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Just wait. He'll be telling us that people in the north east want a
regional assembly. Nanny knows best.

They need one so as the southerners are not telling them what to do.

See what I mean....



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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:58:51 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
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however the requirements
for the cutter are that it should
cut the tube square without scoring or
scratching the pipe or leaving burrs or swarf which could get under the
'O'
ring.

Exactly. An pro can do that with a number of tools.



Have you ever worked for Morton Thiokol at all?




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In article ,
"Christian McArdle" writes:
What they actually said (on this n-g etc) was:

"...It is for this reason a hacksaw should not be used.

Game, set and match!

I can't believe he misquoted from a post that specifically excluded hacksaws
as a suitable tool, as "proof" that Hepworth recommends them. That is
tantamount to libel.

Why not? He does that here all the time.

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:01:37 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Bob Mannix" wrote in message
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"...It is for this reason a hacksaw should not be used.

The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable
clean,
square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team"

A hacksaw can score the external surface of a pipe? How? A good one make a
nice straight clean cut, and then finish off with fine files knives etc.



ROTFL.

So I need to buy a hacksaw and set of files and a knife at
considerably more than £5 for the proper tool and take about five
times longer to do the job?

Brilliant idea. Do you have any others?



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In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
No, which is why I follow the instructions, use the proper tools and
get a good result.

You, on the other hand, who thought he knew better than the
instructions, bodged a job by using a hack saw and then wondered why
he didn't get satisfactory results are advocating that others do the
same.

Now you're suggesting that I'm dumb?

The laugh is that probably anyone with a modicum of skill and sense could
make a satisfactory cut without the special tool in an emergency.

IMM failed.

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In article ,
IMM wrote:
Here is what Hepworth tech dept said on this very ng, that is uk.d-i-y.

"The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable
clean, square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing
Products Team"

Strange, given just how much you invent, that you failed.

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In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:

I bet you go back into the house after you shut the front door behind
you to check that you locked the windows and turned off the kettle :-)


I don't do that but I am forever going back out to the car to check I
locked the doors...

In fact, I'm begining to wonder now

Darren - off to find his car keys

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:07:50 -0000, "IMM" wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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The manufacturers (all of them) recommend
using a pipe cutter.

They "recommend", not say it is mandatory.
Even Hepworth on this ng stated
a specialist cutter is not necessary.

In manufacturer's published installation directions there is

snip drivel

I said..."They "recommend", not say it is mandatory. Even Hepworth on this
ng stated a specialist cutter is not necessary." Now read that out loud for
a few hours.

You have stated that several times now. I checked with google and I
can't find them saying that. What I have found is...

From: (Hepworth Plumbing)
Date: 1998/02/24
Message-ID:
Organization: Hepworth Plumbing

"It is recommended that a purpose designed pipe cutter is used for
cutting Hep2O (and indeed all plastics pressure pipes) to ensure that
the pipe end is clean cut and free of burrs. A hacksaw should definitely
NOT be used."

From: "Hepworth Plumbing Products"
References:
Organization: Hepworth Plumbing Products

"We do recommend the use of a Hep2O pipe cutter, however any pipe cutter
designed to cut plastics pipes should be suitable. One of the major
advantages of a purpose designed cutter is speed, however the
requirements for the cutter are that it should cut the tube square
without scoring or scratching the pipe or leaving burrs or swarf which
could get under the 'O' ring. It is for this reason that hacksaws should
not be used.

The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable
clean, square cut using a variety of tools."

You can make a square cut with a hacksaw, but it will not be a clean cut
on plastic pipe. It leaves a very rough burred edge, as Hepworth say,
and which is nearly impossible to clean up with a knife or file.

So put up the reference or shut TF up.

Phil
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| Just wait. He'll be telling us that people in the north east
| want a regional assembly. Nanny knows best.

£100 tax to Westminster. £100 total tax take.
£55 to Westminster and £55 to Local Gov. £110 total tax take.
£45 to Westminster, £45 to Region, £45 to Local Gov. £135 total tax take.

Besides, the chancellor wants to lose x thousand civil servants. Some more
regional assemblies would be an excellent place to lose them in without
having to pay out redundancy and up the unemployment figures.

Owain

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In article ,
"Christian McArdle" writes:
What they actually said (on this n-g etc) was:

"...It is for this reason a hacksaw should not be used.

Game, set and match!

I can't believe he misquoted from a post that specifically excluded
hacksaws
as a suitable tool, as "proof" that Hepworth recommends them. That is
tantamount to libel.

Why not? He does that here all the time.

Where?

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:01:37 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Bob Mannix" wrote in message
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"...It is for this reason a hacksaw should not be used.

The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable
clean,
square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products
Team"

A hacksaw can score the external surface of a pipe? How? A good one
make a
nice straight clean cut, and then finish off with fine files knives etc.



ROTFL.

You did! I bet you laugh at the Vicar of Dibley too.

So I need to buy a hacksaw and set of files and a knife at
considerably more than £5 for the proper tool and take about five
times longer to do the job?

Brilliant idea. Do you have any others?

You are very silly. If you have a few of these plastic joints to do, you
can do it with available tools. Hepworth said so.