On 09/06/2021 14:06, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , nightjar
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On 09/06/2021 09:39, ss wrote:
..."Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from
September, with fluorescent lights to follow, under government
climate change plans"....

Apart from a few, rarely used, lamps that have yet to be changed, I
have long converted everything to LED.

Hmm.. I have about 25 twin 5' florries in my workshop in 4 switched
banks. This may be the moment to do the LED conversion.



You have plenty of time to find 50 round tuits given they'll be phased
out "from Sept 2023 onwards"

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On 09/06/2021 14:06, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , nightjar
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On 09/06/2021 09:39, ss wrote:
..."Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from
September, with fluorescent lights to follow, under government
climate change plans"....

Apart from a few, rarely used, lamps that have yet to be changed, I
have long converted everything to LED.
Hmm.. I have about 25 twin 5' florries in my workshop in 4 switched
banks. This may be the moment to do the LED conversion.



You have plenty of time to find 50 round tuits given they'll be phased
out "from Sept 2023 onwards"

Huh! Put up with an access tower on bare floor. Place is half full of
fixed machinery now.

Might be doable with an agile bloke from Doncaster:-)


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On 09/06/2021 19:05, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Robin
writes
On 09/06/2021 14:06, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , nightjar
writes
On 09/06/2021 09:39, ss wrote:
..."Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from
September, with fluorescent lights to follow, under government
climate change plans"....

Apart from a few, rarely used, lamps that have yet to be changed, I
have long converted everything to LED.
Â*Hmm.. I have about 25 twin 5' florries in my workshop in 4 switched
banks. This may be the moment to do the LED conversion.



You have plenty of time to find 50 round tuits given they'll be phased
out "from Sept 2023 onwards"

Huh! Put up with an access tower on bare floor. Place is half full of
fixed machinery now.

Might be doable with an agile bloke from Doncaster:-)



How high?



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In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , nightjar
writes
On 09/06/2021 09:39, ss wrote:
..."Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from
September, with fluorescent lights to follow, under government climate
change plans"....

Apart from a few, rarely used, lamps that have yet to be changed, I
have long converted everything to LED.

Hmm.. I have about 25 twin 5' florries in my workshop in 4 switched
banks. This may be the moment to do the LED conversion.

I've still got florries lighting worktops under the cupboards in the
kitchen. Can you now get LEDs that would give as even an illumination? If
so, I'd be tempted to change if a dimming electronic ballast fails.
They're probably obsolete now.


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On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 15:21:50 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , nightjar
writes
On 09/06/2021 09:39, ss wrote:
..."Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from
September, with fluorescent lights to follow, under government climate
change plans"....

Apart from a few, rarely used, lamps that have yet to be changed, I
have long converted everything to LED.

Hmm.. I have about 25 twin 5' florries in my workshop in 4 switched
banks. This may be the moment to do the LED conversion.

I've still got florries lighting worktops under the cupboards in the
kitchen. Can you now get LEDs that would give as even an illumination? If
so, I'd be tempted to change if a dimming electronic ballast fails.
They're probably obsolete now.

Even better, you can get direct substitutes. I bought two four foot
long LED tubes for the utility room, which fitted the existing ballast
after replacing the starter with a dummy.

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 15:57:24 +0100, Scott
wrote:

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Even better, you can get direct substitutes. I bought two four foot
long LED tubes for the utility room, which fitted the existing ballast
after replacing the starter with a dummy.

I've *just* picked up a high output 5' LED florry replacement for a
fitting in the study / workshop but the fitting is electronic so I'm
going to have to bypass all the 'guts'.

The main reason for doing it isn't (primarily) the light but the hope
it will get rid of the mains hum ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

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Scott wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 15:21:50 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , nightjar
writes
On 09/06/2021 09:39, ss wrote:
..."Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from
September, with fluorescent lights to follow, under government climate
change plans"....

Apart from a few, rarely used, lamps that have yet to be changed, I
have long converted everything to LED.

Hmm.. I have about 25 twin 5' florries in my workshop in 4 switched
banks. This may be the moment to do the LED conversion.

I've still got florries lighting worktops under the cupboards in the
kitchen. Can you now get LEDs that would give as even an illumination? If
so, I'd be tempted to change if a dimming electronic ballast fails.
They're probably obsolete now.

Even better, you can get direct substitutes. I bought two four foot
long LED tubes for the utility room, which fitted the existing ballast
after replacing the starter with a dummy.

Bet they don't dim with my ballasts...

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On 09/06/2021 12:20, nightjar wrote:
On 09/06/2021 09:39, ss wrote:
..."Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from
September, with fluorescent lights to follow, under government climate
change plans"....

Apart from a few, rarely used, lamps that have yet to be changed, I have
long converted everything to LED.

+1, although I have several of the little desk lamps with "radio aeriel"
power feeds that use G4s. However I can report that I've just put a LED
replacement in one that has just failed and although it is perhaps not
quite so bright, the output is acceptable.

On 09/06/2021 09:39, ss wrote:
Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from September

Subject to some important details such as:

"HL R7 halogens will remain available on the market, and some
fluorescents such as T5s.

Exemptions will be in place for lamps designed and marketed specifically
for scene-lighting use in film studios, TV studios, and photographic
studios, or for stage-lighting use in theatres or other entertainment
events."

And a source does make it easier to check the details. e.g.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e...cleaner-future

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On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 09:39:20 +0100, ss wrote:

..."Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from
September, with fluorescent lights to follow, under government climate
change plans"....

In our bathroom we have 2 halogen wall lights with G9 40W mains capsules
rated at 460L each. Looking at LED replacements I can only see 200L
capsules, so we would get less than half the illumination. Fortunately I
have 5 spares so they should out last me!

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The Other John wrote:

In our bathroom we have 2 halogen wall lights with G9 40W mains capsules
rated at 460L each. Looking at LED replacements I can only see 200L
capsules, so we would get less than half the illumination. Fortunately I
have 5 spares so they should out last me!

I have 6 x 12 V MR16 bulbs in my bathroom, fed via a Dimpull. So
far they haven't made a version of the Dimpull that can handle
LEDs.

In the 16 years since they were installed (tempting providence) I
don't think I have changed any bulbs, of which I have a stock,
but I am on my 3rd Dimpull. Its soft start is obviously good for
bulb life, just a shame its own design isn't better.

Extrapolating, I don't think I need to worry.

Chris
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On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 19:23:26 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote:

The Other John wrote:

In our bathroom we have 2 halogen wall lights with G9 40W mains capsules
rated at 460L each. Looking at LED replacements I can only see 200L
capsules, so we would get less than half the illumination. Fortunately
I have 5 spares so they should out last me!

I have 6 x 12 V MR16 bulbs in my bathroom, fed via a Dimpull. So far
they haven't made a version of the Dimpull that can handle LEDs.

In the 16 years since they were installed (tempting providence) I don't
think I have changed any bulbs, of which I have a stock, but I am on my
3rd Dimpull. Its soft start is obviously good for bulb life, just a
shame its own design isn't better.

Extrapolating, I don't think I need to worry.


+1 (assuming those Dimpull units are some version of an "electronic
transformer")

Some 7 or 8 years ago when we had the downstairs shower room
refurbished, I specified that the 4 halogen downlighters that SWIMBI had
decided to go for, use 12v lamps fed from transformers discovering that
the "transformers" I was expecting to see fitted were in fact 60W rated
smpsus which go into CC mode once the current demand tries to exceed the
5A limit of a 12v 60W rated smpsu as evidenced by the rather gratifyingly
half second ramp up to full brighteness on switch on.

This made them even kinder to the 35W 12v halogen lamps that I'd been
expecting even the older 12v transformers to be. The switch on surge in
this case being limited to just a 67% overcurrent rather than the 100 to
200 percent of an actual transformer (which is way better than the 1100
to 1200 percent current overload switch on surge you'd normally see with
mains voltage halogen lamps). As a consequence of this decision to avoid
mains voltage halogen lamps at all costs, I have not yet had to replace
any of the original lamps.



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Johnny B Good wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 19:23:26 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote:

The Other John wrote:

In our bathroom we have 2 halogen wall lights with G9 40W mains capsules
rated at 460L each. Looking at LED replacements I can only see 200L
capsules, so we would get less than half the illumination. Fortunately
I have 5 spares so they should out last me!

I have 6 x 12 V MR16 bulbs in my bathroom, fed via a Dimpull. So far
they haven't made a version of the Dimpull that can handle LEDs.

In the 16 years since they were installed (tempting providence) I don't
think I have changed any bulbs, of which I have a stock, but I am on my
3rd Dimpull. Its soft start is obviously good for bulb life, just a
shame its own design isn't better.

Extrapolating, I don't think I need to worry.


+1 (assuming those Dimpull units are some version of an "electronic
transformer")

Not quite. It is a dimmable pull-cord which feeds my electronic
transformers.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Greenbrook-DIMPULL-C-Dimmer-Switch-options/dp/B005KQTELU

Chris
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 11:17:26 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote:

Johnny B Good wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 19:23:26 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote:

The Other John wrote:

In our bathroom we have 2 halogen wall lights with G9 40W mains
capsules rated at 460L each. Looking at LED replacements I can only
see 200L capsules, so we would get less than half the illumination.
Fortunately I have 5 spares so they should out last me!

I have 6 x 12 V MR16 bulbs in my bathroom, fed via a Dimpull. So far
they haven't made a version of the Dimpull that can handle LEDs.

In the 16 years since they were installed (tempting providence) I
don't think I have changed any bulbs, of which I have a stock, but I
am on my 3rd Dimpull. Its soft start is obviously good for bulb life,
just a shame its own design isn't better.

Extrapolating, I don't think I need to worry.


+1 (assuming those Dimpull units are some version of an "electronic
transformer")

Not quite. It is a dimmable pull-cord which feeds my electronic
transformers.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Greenbrook-...ch-options/dp/
B005KQTELU


I doubt the Dimpull contributes much to the long lamp life. I suspect
the lamps would have lasted just as long using a basic on/off pull switch
due to the way those electronic transformers work (5A maximum current
limit taking the 'sting' out of the turn on surge - the real 'killer' of
tungsten filament lamps of any type).

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