On 09/06/2021 19:18, Ed wrote:
I've not read the article but I've been vegan for about 18 years.

There are a number of articles that associate a child's vegan diet with
poor brain development and reduced IQ. The same is not true for
vegetarians or omnivores who consume some fish, meat and/or meat products.

A well-planned and thought out vegan diet is required. Then in my
opinion it's incredibly healthy.

Without evidence it's difficult to make generalisations. Certainly
vegetarians live longer, and the cause and effect are out for debate. Do
more intelligent people live longer anyway.

There are issues with possible zinc
deficiency and B12 but I can counter these by saying that soil has
become depleted of minerals by generations of intensive farming.

And so animal feed is sometimes supplemented with the various trace
elements. Much soil used for pasture is near fallow, and less likely to
be overgrazed.

It's
thought that over a billion people are zinc deficient. Safe to say,
they're not all vegan, though many will be vegetarians if they live
in India.

And the age expectancy in India isn't the same as the western world.

B12 is actually misunderstood. People think it only comes
from meat. It actually is a bacterium that lives on leaves, which the
animals eat.

And that bacterium, together with cobalt minerals is processed into B12.
Normally in ruminants' stomachs, hence why milk and other meat products
are also important sources of these vitamins.

I do supplement with B12 and zinc picolinate but if we
were living thousands of years ago, growing our own food, etc. I
doubt I'd need to.

There are known vitamins, and some unknown, unknown vitamins vital for
health and development. There is so little we understand of the human
body. Personally I prefer my family have a natural balanced diet which
we have evolved to consume. There are articles that show longevity is
associated with diets our ancestors lived on.

To the person who called veganism a "crackpot
religion", it's neither of those things.

I have great respect for the average vegan, one that doesn't abuse those
around them when he finds out that we eat meat, and don't have any major
issues in doing so. I put you in this category, if I might call it one.

The boundary is crossed if I call you names, or if you call me names,
something a fellow poster seems keen to do to anyone who consumes meat,
or is a vegetarian consuming animal products, and can stand up and
justify their position. I would correctly describe him as a fanatic.

The boundary is crossed if I call you names, or if you call me names,
something a fellow poster seems keen to do to anyone who consumes meat,
or is a vegetarian consuming animal products, and can stand up and
justify their position. I would correctly describe him as a fanatic.

I don't think there's a perfect diet that works for everyone. We have to find what works for us. I *became* a vegan rather than being born into it so I've been able to tune my diet accordingly.
I predict within 30 years people in the western world will have practically stopped eating meat because of the push for sustainability and alternatives developed that are so similar that nobody will need to eat meat.
It'll be become like smoking. It's quite rare to see people smoking cigarettes these days, at least in the city I'm in.

On 09/06/2021 21:30, Ed wrote:
The boundary is crossed if I call you names, or if you call me names,
something a fellow poster seems keen to do to anyone who consumes meat,
or is a vegetarian consuming animal products, and can stand up and
justify their position. I would correctly describe him as a fanatic.

I don't think there's a perfect diet that works for everyone. We have to find what works for us. I *became* a vegan rather than being born into it so I've been able to tune my diet accordingly.
I predict within 30 years people in the western world will have practically stopped eating meat because of the push for sustainability and alternatives developed that are so similar that nobody will need to eat meat.
It'll be become like smoking. It's quite rare to see people smoking cigarettes these days, at least in the city I'm in.

Smoking was eventually proven to be harmful. It was known by the tobacco
companies to be harmful while the public was told smoking was healthy.

I'd wager as time passes on the same will be said for veganism.

Currently there are many proponents saying eating a plant based diet is
healthy, and the possible impact on the environment.

However, even now there are a number of studies which show that children
are harmed by following a vegan diet and some authorities are waking up
to this.

I predict less meat consumption but until we have a greater
understanding of out diet and how it effects growth in children I can't
see it changing to the extent you imagine in 30 years time. Even then I
don't expect a tray of chicken thighs to have a warning "eating meat kills".

Anyway, this is a DIY group and best to stick to that. I believe there
are some vegan groups that might cater to your desires.

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On 09/06/2021 21:30, Ed wrote:
The boundary is crossed if I call you names, or if you call me names,
something a fellow poster seems keen to do to anyone who consumes meat,
or is a vegetarian consuming animal products, and can stand up and
justify their position. I would correctly describe him as a fanatic.

I don't think there's a perfect diet that works for everyone. We have to
find what works for us. I *became* a vegan rather than being born into it
so I've been able to tune my diet accordingly.
I predict within 30 years people in the western world will have
practically stopped eating meat because of the push for sustainability
and alternatives developed that are so similar that nobody will need to
eat meat.
It'll be become like smoking. It's quite rare to see people smoking
cigarettes these days, at least in the city I'm in.

Smoking was eventually proven to be harmful. It was known by the tobacco
companies to be harmful while the public was told smoking was healthy.

I'd wager as time passes on the same will be said for veganism.

Currently there are many proponents saying eating a plant based diet is
healthy, and the possible impact on the environment.

However, even now there are a number of studies which show that children
are harmed by following a vegan diet and some authorities are waking up to
this.

I predict less meat consumption

More is much more likely in the bulk of the world.

but until we have a greater understanding of out diet and how it effects
growth in children I can't see it changing to the extent you imagine in 30
years time. Even then I don't expect a tray of chicken thighs to have a
warning "eating meat kills".

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I predict less meat consumption

More is much more likely in the bulk of the world.

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Ed wrote

The boundary is crossed if I call you names, or if you call me names,
something a fellow poster seems keen to do to anyone who consumes
meat, or is a vegetarian consuming animal products, and can stand up
and justify their position. I would correctly describe him as a fanatic.

I don't think there's a perfect diet that works for everyone.

Depends on how you define works.

We have to find what works for us.

But that isnt possible lifespan wise.

I *became* a vegan rather than being born into
it so I've been able to tune my diet accordingly.

But wont ever know how successful that
was, even when you are about to die.

I predict within 30 years people in the western
world will have practically stopped eating meat

Not a chance, you watch.

because of the push for sustainability and alternatives developed
that are so similar that nobody will need to eat meat.

Thats bull****. Most dont give a **** about sustainability
and realise that fake meat doesnt fix that anyway.

It'll be become like smoking.

Nope, nothing like.

It's quite rare to see people smoking cigarettes
these days, at least in the city I'm in.

For a different reason. Its much harder to smoke
now and stupidly expensive and only fools dont
realise that it ****s your health severely.

Eating meat is nothing like that. Its much harder
to be a vegan than an omnivore and costs more
too and it doesnt **** your health either.

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