On 01/06/2021 21:19, T i m wrote:

Except I'm not sure 'we' eat the meat from a 7 year old worn out dairy
cow or a day old calf?

It probably goes to provide a balanced diet for dogs.

--
Spike

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 10:01:30 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

I know you do. It would be interesting to know if you would
still do that if you had to cut the throat of the animals yourself.

I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.

And shot stuff for sport too.

Not to forget that you also helped design a computer OS, flew planes,
accumulated endless riches and now troll on Usenet night and day (literally)
with all your riches! LMAO But for once I'm actually inclined to believe
that you shot animals for sport. It's typical of a sociopath/psychopath with
your mindset.

--
Marland addressing senile Rodent's tall stories:
"Do you really think people believe your stories you come up with to boost
your self esteem."
Message-ID:

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 02:45:16 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:


They're then eaten by meat-eaters.* You have to kill if you want meat,
so we might aswell get milk from them first.

+1

LOL You are such a ridiculous SENILE ASSHOLE, Freddie!

T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote
T i m wrote
NY wrote

I've got a great idea.

I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because
I put humans' needs/desires before animals'.

I know you do. It would be interesting to know if you would
still do that if you had to cut the throat of the animals yourself.

I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.

But I wasn't asking you.

You have always been completely irrelevant.

Who you might or might not have asked in spades.

And shot stuff for sport too.

"Spike" wrote in message
...
On 01/06/2021 20:26, T i m wrote:

Quite, given they wouldn't actually exist in such a mutated state if
it weren't for out intrusion. Why would they?

Darwin called it 'Natural Selection',

Yes.

and since then we've learned how to give it a helping hand.

We did that long before Chaz showed up.

You are admitting the only way they could survive
is by our continuing to exploit them (so we should)?

That's what comes from being at the top of the food chain, and
the benefits of better brain power as a result of eating meat.

Just look what happens to new recruits to religious cults - they are
put on a 'cleansing diet' that just happens to have no meat in it,

Dont believe that with the roman catholics or even the anglicans.

resulting in them having reduced mental capacity and
therefore easier to manipulate psychologically. I doubt
you'd see any parallels with evangelical veganism.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:56:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.

But I wasn't asking you.

You have always been completely irrelevant.

How it that relevant to what I said and why if I am irrelevant do you
feel obliged to reply to everything I type (in spades)?

Cheers, T i m

T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.

But I wasn't asking you.

You have always been completely irrelevant.

How it that relevant to what I said

Pathetic.

and why if I am irrelevant do you feel obliged
to reply to everything I type (in spades)?

I don't, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:24:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.

But I wasn't asking you.

You have always been completely irrelevant.

How it that relevant to what I said

Pathetic.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

and why if I am irrelevant do you feel obliged
to reply to everything I type (in spades)?

I don't, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

You seem to quite a bit as a quick scan of the group will attest.

Ok, not as much as the other sicko Troll Twins because they really do
have it bad for me but still way more than might be considered
reflective of someone who was actually 'irrelevant?

Cheers, T i m

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:04:16 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Darwin called it 'Natural Selection',

Yes.

Senile idiotic sociopath! Believes people need to be confirmed by him when
they are right and he finds no way to auto-contradict! You STILL wonder you
got NOBODY in RL to talk to, senile pest?

--
Marland answering senile Rodent's statement, "I don't leak":
"That¢s because so much **** and ****e emanates from your gob that there is
nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse
and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a ******."
Message-ID: s

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:24:42 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote
T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote

I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.

But I wasn't asking you.

You have always been completely irrelevant.

How it that relevant to what I said

Pathetic.

and why if I am irrelevant do you feel obliged
to reply to everything I type (in spades)?

I don't, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

You seem to quite a bit as a quick scan of the group will attest.

If you hadn't wanked yourself completely blind, even you
should be able to count the number of instances and
discover that its nothing even remotely like EVERYTHING
YOU TYPE, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 05:03:31 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

--
Marland revealing the senile sociopath's pathology:
"You have mentioned Alexa in a couple of threads recently, it is not a real
woman you know even if it is the only thing with a female name that stays
around around while you talk it to it.
Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any
interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from you boring them
to death."
MID:

On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 19:48:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/06/2021 18:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
So what's the difference between you and a racist? You think it's ok to
murder someone because they're a different species?

If they are a different species, its not murder

Why draw the line there?

On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 20:23:18 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 01/06/2021 15:09, Andrew wrote:
On 01/06/2021 11:42, T i m wrote:
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey g),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)

'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994 582704&scmts=scwspsdd


Cheers, T i m


Nice tasty lunch for the local foxhounds though.


I have just added veal to my shopping list.

Is your stomach too lazy to digest things fully? Cats are like that.

On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.

On 04/06/2021 18:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do
anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.

If there was another animal that could understand the concept of
consent, then I might agree with you.

Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be
acting on pure instinct.

We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites,
living off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings

Yes, the most advanced sentient species does indeed to that.

and doesn't do anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own
species.

The most advanced sentient species in fact breeds and eats
most of the other sentient species because they are nice to eat.

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 19:18:00 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:

If there was another animal that could understand the concept of
consent, then I might agree with you.

Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be
acting on pure instinct.

We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites,
living off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.

Demented senile ASSHOLES! LOL

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 04:31:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Another typical retarded conversation between our two village idiots,
Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: "You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring."

Senile Rodent: "Then **** the cats. That wont be boring."

Birdbrain: "Sell me a de-clawing tool first."

Senile Rodent: "Wont help with the teeth."

Birdbrain: "They've never gone for me with their mouths."

Rodent Speed: "They will if you are stupid enough to try ****ing them."

Birdbrain: "No, they always use claws."

Rodent Speed: "They wont if you try ****ing them. Try it and see."

Message-ID:

On 03/06/2021 19:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 20:23:18 +0100, ARW
wrote:

On 01/06/2021 15:09, Andrew wrote:
On 01/06/2021 11:42, T i m wrote:
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey g),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)

'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994 582704&scmts=scwspsdd



Cheers, T i m


Nice tasty lunch for the local foxhounds though.


I have just added veal to my shopping list.

Is your stomach too lazy to digest things fully?* Cats are like that.

I could digest a cat.

--
Adam

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:13:53 +0100, ARW, the brain dead, troll-feeding,
senile asshole, blathered again:


Is your stomach too lazy to digest things fully?* Cats are like that.

I could digest a cat.

No, you can't. But you can feed a troll, obviously, troll-feeding senile
asshole!

Fredxx presented the following explanation :
On 04/06/2021 18:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do
anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.

If there was another animal that could understand the concept of consent,
then I might agree with you.

Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be acting
on pure instinct.

We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites, living
off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets. They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though. Some even seem to be thankful afterward.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:59:46 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:
snip

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets.

Of course there are, and loads of other animals 'trusting' humans when
they have had no prior negative contact with them and so reason to.

They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though.

Again, they obviously do, otherwise millions of mating (assent)
rituals would all be in vein.

Same with not giving consent (dissent) to attack / kill them with
animals desperately trying to escape the killing box in a
slaughterhouse or gas chambers.

Some even seem to be thankful afterward.

Of course, most sentient creature share many of the same feelings we
do (well, trolls excluded of course) especially fear, hunger,
paternal, community and friendship. Many animals are monogamous and
pair for life, have and protect their offspring, teach them how to use
tools and find food, what is considered acceptable behaviour and what
isn't.

Consent is *very much* part of the functionality of most sentient
creatures, as you will often learn very fast when you try to take food
from a gorilla or lion. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 04/06/2021 22:27, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:59:46 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:
snip

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets.

Of course there are, and loads of other animals 'trusting' humans when
they have had no prior negative contact with them and so reason to.

Trust is instinctive. There is usually some payback for the risk. By way
of example, a robin would frequently fly indoors at work during the
Winter months. The same doesn't happen in Summer.

They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though.

Again, they obviously do, otherwise millions of mating (assent)
rituals would all be in vein.

It's not obvious, well, maybe in your dreams.

Same with not giving consent (dissent) to attack / kill them with
animals desperately trying to escape the killing box in a
slaughterhouse or gas chambers.

Most animals grown for food are unlikely to understand the concept of
death, so consent is pointless.

Some even seem to be thankful afterward.

Of course, most sentient creature share many of the same feelings we
do (well, trolls excluded of course)

That sounds like you. You're the biggest troll in this group.

You conform perfectly to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

especially fear, hunger,
paternal, community and friendship. Many animals are monogamous and
pair for life, have and protect their offspring, teach them how to use
tools and find food, what is considered acceptable behaviour and what
isn't.

Again instinct, survival of your offspring is essential if you want your
genes to propagate.

Consent is *very much* part of the functionality of most sentient
creatures, as you will often learn very fast when you try to take food
from a gorilla or lion. ;-)

Were your dogs asked for their consent before they had their genitals
mutilated?

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 19:18:00 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 04/06/2021 18:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do
anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.

If there was another animal that could understand the concept of
consent, then I might agree with you.

Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be
acting on pure instinct.

We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites,
living off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.

We act on instinct too. If I punch you in the face, you will try to avoid it. If you feel hungry, you find food. It's all instincts, we just do what is required to make ourselves comfortable. And if you had any sense you would treat an animal that doesn't know how to solder a circuit board as just as important as you.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 20:59:46 +0100, FromTheRafters wrote:

Fredxx presented the following explanation :
On 04/06/2021 18:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 02:59:42 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2021 22:16, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Yep, I am a carnivore

No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!

Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.

Or may not.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.

You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.

An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do
anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.

If there was another animal that could understand the concept of consent,
then I might agree with you.

Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be acting
on pure instinct.

We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites, living
off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets. They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though. Some even seem to be thankful afterward.

I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence. They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 23:17:13 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 04/06/2021 22:27, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:59:46 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:
snip

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets.

Of course there are, and loads of other animals 'trusting' humans when
they have had no prior negative contact with them and so reason to.

Trust is instinctive. There is usually some payback for the risk. By way
of example, a robin would frequently fly indoors at work during the
Winter months. The same doesn't happen in Summer.

They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though.

Again, they obviously do, otherwise millions of mating (assent)
rituals would all be in vein.

It's not obvious, well, maybe in your dreams.

Same with not giving consent (dissent) to attack / kill them with
animals desperately trying to escape the killing box in a
slaughterhouse or gas chambers.

Most animals grown for food are unlikely to understand the concept of
death, so consent is pointless.

Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:
snip stupid troll trolling

Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.

Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.

It's stupid trolls like ****Headxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.

But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 05/06/2021 20:04, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:
snip stupid troll trolling

Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.

Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.

It's stupid trolls like ****Headxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.

But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(

Cheers, T i m


Cows are given a reprieve (from causing global warming) -


https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...-methane-burps

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:56:05 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 20:59:46 +0100, FromTheRafters wrote:

snip troll ****

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets. They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though. Some even seem to be thankful afterward.

I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.

Probably one of DickHeadxx traps. It wasn't Spuke as he doesn't eat
sheep for some reason (or cows) but eats everything else apparently.

They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.

Animals do have a good sense of that ... many have a greater sense of
that than we do (given the range of senses they can use that we don't
even possess).

Like our dog is very fussy re who he will approach, let alone allow to
approach / pet him and it's a rare moment indeed when he will just
walk up to someone (a stranger) and indicate he wants to be friends.

When he does these people are generally calm, always dog owners /
lovers and understand that he will give them consent if he is happy /
wants attention.

Then there are people he sees regularly, have never done anything
aggressive towards us or him and yet he will still bark at them. In
most cases they aren't 'comfortable' around dogs and it's obvious he
can sense that.

It's probably down to the aroma they radiate (the smell of fear), if
dogs can detect the residue of Corona virus on someone's T-shirt, even
if worn by someone who doesn't have Covid, even as they walk past the
dog, who know what signals we give off unwittingly?

And for a smallish dog he's got a very loud bark and that has made
many people jump. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:04:11 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:


Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.

WTF has your senile **** got to do with this ng, you idiotic perverted
sucker of troll cock?

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:21:49 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:


I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.

Probably one of DickHeadxx traps.

Nope, you idiotic senile sucker of troll cock! It was another idiotic bait
by the dumbest troll around! Will you senile idiots NEVER learn? tsk

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 23:17:13 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 04/06/2021 22:27, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:59:46 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:
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Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets.

Of course there are, and loads of other animals 'trusting' humans when
they have had no prior negative contact with them and so reason to.

Trust is instinctive. There is usually some payback for the risk. By way
of example, a robin would frequently fly indoors at work during the
Winter months. The same doesn't happen in Summer.

They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though.

Again, they obviously do, otherwise millions of mating (assent)
rituals would all be in vein.

It's not obvious, well, maybe in your dreams.

Same with not giving consent (dissent) to attack / kill them with
animals desperately trying to escape the killing box in a
slaughterhouse or gas chambers.

Most animals grown for food are unlikely to understand the concept of
death, so consent is pointless.

Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.

Not just its mate, dogs can do that with their masters too.

And elephants can work out when one of them has died.

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:26:00 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish ****** and the senile
Ozzietard:

Birdbrain: "Horse **** doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky ****, but then why does vegetarian human **** stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow **** stinks too."

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On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:17:15 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 05/06/2021 20:04, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:
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Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.

Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.

It's stupid trolls like ****Headxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.

But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(

Cheers, T i m


Cows are given a reprieve (from causing global warming) -


https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...-methane-burps

I thought it was common knowledge that cows are nowhere near the biggest producer of methane.

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:21:49 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:56:05 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 20:59:46 +0100, FromTheRafters wrote:

snip troll ****

Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets. They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though. Some even seem to be thankful afterward.

I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.

Probably one of DickHeadxx traps. It wasn't Spuke as he doesn't eat
sheep for some reason (or cows) but eats everything else apparently.

Wasn't a trap, it was the fence supposed to be keeping them in.

They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.

Animals do have a good sense of that ... many have a greater sense of
that than we do (given the range of senses they can use that we don't
even possess).

No dog is ever vicious with me, even when the owner has warned me I'll get my finger removed. I once cuddled a cat while waiting for someone to answer the door, the owner was shocked, she claimed even she had her face clawed if she tried that.

Like our dog is very fussy re who he will approach, let alone allow to
approach / pet him and it's a rare moment indeed when he will just
walk up to someone (a stranger) and indicate he wants to be friends.

When he does these people are generally calm, always dog owners /
lovers and understand that he will give them consent if he is happy /
wants attention.

Then there are people he sees regularly, have never done anything
aggressive towards us or him and yet he will still bark at them. In
most cases they aren't 'comfortable' around dogs and it's obvious he
can sense that.

It's probably down to the aroma they radiate (the smell of fear), if
dogs can detect the residue of Corona virus on someone's T-shirt, even
if worn by someone who doesn't have Covid, even as they walk past the
dog, who know what signals we give off unwittingly?

And for a smallish dog he's got a very loud bark and that has made
many people jump. ;-)

I know one dog I can make very angry by staring at it. Quite funny as I can make it charge at the front door by looking through the window. The hallway is slippery (laminate), it never remembers this and collides with the door at high speed.

On 06/06/2021 18:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:17:15 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 05/06/2021 20:04, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:
snip stupid troll trolling

Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's
mate.

Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.

It's stupid trolls like ****Headxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.

But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(

Cheers, T i m


Cows are given a reprieve (from causing global warming)* -


https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...-methane-burps


I thought it was common knowledge that cows are nowhere near the biggest
producer of methane.

It is significant, but there are food additives that reduce it. You
won't find any fanatical vegan promoting this.


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ons-scientists

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33805324/

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 19:38:05 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:


It is significant, but there are food additives that reduce it. You
won't find any fanatical vegan promoting this.

WTF has all your senile **** got to do with the two ngs you keep
crossposting it to, you abnormal troll-feeding senile smartass?

On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 18:55:04 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

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I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.

Probably one of DickHeadxx traps. It wasn't Spuke as he doesn't eat
sheep for some reason (or cows) but eats everything else apparently.

Wasn't a trap, it was the fence supposed to be keeping them in.

I know rolls eyes ... ;-)

They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.

Animals do have a good sense of that ... many have a greater sense of
that than we do (given the range of senses they can use that we don't
even possess).

No dog is ever vicious with me, even when the owner has warned me I'll get my finger removed.

I still might stay respectful and let the dog come to me etc.

I once cuddled a cat while waiting for someone to answer the door, the owner was shocked, she claimed even she had her face clawed if she tried that.

Yup, I seem to have a similar reaction. I was warned against putting
my fingers anywhere near the cage of sisters neighbours large parrot
when they were away and she was looking after it. I went with her to
feed it and she popped home to get something and when she came back it
had it's head up against the bars and I was stroking it. Apparently
it's beak was like 'bolt croppers' and it 'hated men'. ;-(

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And for a smallish dog he's got a very loud bark and that has made
many people jump. ;-)

I know one dog I can make very angry by staring at it. Quite funny as I can make it charge at the front door by looking through the window. The hallway is slippery (laminate), it never remembers this and collides with the door at high speed.

They can forget themselves sometimes but I tend not to torment them
under any circumstances.

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 21:02:04 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:


I know rolls eyes ... ;-)

Does the unwashed ******'s cock taste THAT good to you, you notorious sucker
of troll cock?

FLUSH the rest of your usual idiotic senile ****