(I'm re-sending this because whist Agent says it has been sent, I
can't see it on the ng. Sorry if it's a duplicate).

I would like to be able to get up to the gutters / soffits on this two
story Victorian cottage and don't currently have a suitable ladder.

This wouldn't be for any extended work, just replacing the lamp in
floodlight that covers the back garden or removing debris from the
gutters etc.

I like the idea of the telescopic ladders from a storage / portability
POV but I have only ever footed a 3.2m one but I'm assuming I'd be
looking at something quite a bit longer to reach such heights
(probably 5+m)?

It looks like I can do those sorts of things I need with a ladder from
the guidance he

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg455.pdf

.... and I would be able to secure the ladder appropriately so the
question is really around the practicability feasibility of telescopic
ladders of that sort of length? I'm guessing they wouldn't make them
if no one bought them and from the specs I've seen they could easily
support my weight etc ('ladder max load 150kg' etc).

I really wouldn't be using such regularly but would just like to be
able to myself if required (or send tree climbing daughter up there
whilst I foot it etc). ;-)

What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?

Cheers, T i m

On 20/11/2020 12:14, T i m wrote:
(I'm re-sending this because whist Agent says it has been sent, I
can't see it on the ng. Sorry if it's a duplicate).

I would like to be able to get up to the gutters / soffits on this two
story Victorian cottage and don't currently have a suitable ladder.

This wouldn't be for any extended work, just replacing the lamp in
floodlight that covers the back garden or removing debris from the
gutters etc.

I like the idea of the telescopic ladders from a storage / portability
POV but I have only ever footed a 3.2m one but I'm assuming I'd be
looking at something quite a bit longer to reach such heights
(probably 5+m)?

It looks like I can do those sorts of things I need with a ladder from
the guidance he

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg455.pdf

... and I would be able to secure the ladder appropriately so the
question is really around the practicability feasibility of telescopic
ladders of that sort of length? I'm guessing they wouldn't make them
if no one bought them and from the specs I've seen they could easily
support my weight etc ('ladder max load 150kg' etc).

I really wouldn't be using such regularly but would just like to be
able to myself if required (or send tree climbing daughter up there
whilst I foot it etc). ;-)

What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?

Cheers, T i m

It is showing 3 times for me.

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 12:32:01 +0000, RobH wrote:

On 20/11/2020 12:14, T i m wrote:
(I'm re-sending this because whist Agent says it has been sent, I
can't see it on the ng. Sorry if it's a duplicate).

snip

It is showing 3 times for me.

Thanks Rob.

The first posting (last night) didn't (and still hasn't) appeared.

I re-sent it this morning, still no-show here.

I copied and pasted the content into a new message and it appeared as
normal?

I do sometimes (rarely) find it doesn't send (or retrieve the headers
or a message) but goes / receives ok when I re-try.

Cheers, T i m

On 20/11/2020 12:32, RobH wrote:

It is showing 3 times for me.

+1
I wonder if the multitude of answers have also been "lost"?

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On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 11:48:35 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 20/11/2020 12:32, RobH wrote:

It is showing 3 times for me.

+1
I wonder if the multitude of answers have also been "lost"?

Not to the ones I've replied to in this thread but I still can't see
any others? ;-(

Maybe I'll fire up TB on ES and see if I can see them that way.

Cheers, T i m

On 20/11/2020 12:14, T i m wrote:
(I'm re-sending this because whist Agent says it has been sent, I
can't see it on the ng. Sorry if it's a duplicate).

I would like to be able to get up to the gutters / soffits on this two
story Victorian cottage and don't currently have a suitable ladder.

This wouldn't be for any extended work, just replacing the lamp in
floodlight that covers the back garden or removing debris from the
gutters etc.

I like the idea of the telescopic ladders from a storage / portability
POV but I have only ever footed a 3.2m one but I'm assuming I'd be
looking at something quite a bit longer to reach such heights
(probably 5+m)?

It looks like I can do those sorts of things I need with a ladder from
the guidance he

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg455.pdf

... and I would be able to secure the ladder appropriately so the
question is really around the practicability feasibility of telescopic
ladders of that sort of length? I'm guessing they wouldn't make them
if no one bought them and from the specs I've seen they could easily
support my weight etc ('ladder max load 150kg' etc).

I really wouldn't be using such regularly but would just like to be
able to myself if required (or send tree climbing daughter up there
whilst I foot it etc). ;-)

What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?

Cheers, T i m

bloody newbies

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 12:54:47 +0000, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?


bloody newbies

So, Jimmy, when you ask a serious question here and people take the
**** out of you you throw your toys out the pram?

Hypocrisy?

Cheers, T i m

On Friday, 20 November 2020 at 13:00:31 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 12:54:47 +0000, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip
What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?


bloody newbies

So, Jimmy, when you ask a serious question here and people take the
**** out of you you throw your toys out the pram?

Hypocrisy?

Cheers, T i m
I have seen 6.2m telescopic ladders on eBay for £19.00 but you got to ask yourself just how good they are when the likes of Screwfix are selling 3m+ types between £100 & £150. I really would not like to find out when 6m above the ground. I have a 3.6m one which is more than adequate to reach everything I need to on our bungalow but it is heavy and difficult to manoeuvre I can only imagine how awkward a version nearly twice mine would be to carry, extend and manoeuvre.

Richard

On 20/11/2020 13:21, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Friday, 20 November 2020 at 13:00:31 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 12:54:47 +0000, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip
What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?


bloody newbies

So, Jimmy, when you ask a serious question here and people take the
**** out of you you throw your toys out the pram?

Hypocrisy?

Cheers, T i m
I have seen 6.2m telescopic ladders on eBay for £19.00 but you got to ask yourself just how good they are when the likes of Screwfix are selling 3m+ types between £100 & £150. I really would not like to find out when 6m above the ground. I have a 3.6m one which is more than adequate to reach everything I need to on our bungalow but it is heavy and difficult to manoeuvre I can only imagine how awkward a version nearly twice mine would be to carry, extend and manoeuvre.

My son gave me a 250 GB memory card that he had bought on ebay for £2. I
stuck it in the phone and it worked for a while before becoming corrupt
and being thrown away. I appreciate that you'd notice if your 6m ladder
were really only 1m, but there's bound to be a safety issue at that price.

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 14:04:28 +0000, GB
wrote:
snip

I have seen 6.2m telescopic ladders on eBay for £19.00 but you got to ask yourself just how good they are when the likes of Screwfix are selling 3m+ types between £100 & £150.

snip

My son gave me a 250 GB memory card that he had bought on ebay for £2. I
stuck it in the phone and it worked for a while before becoming corrupt
and being thrown away. I appreciate that you'd notice if your 6m ladder
were really only 1m, but there's bound to be a safety issue at that price.

Whilst I agree in general and that sometimes the 'devil can be in the
detail' (like catches and material and build quality, rather than core
design) there are many many instances where you see the *exact same*
thing sold in the UK for loads more than it is even elsewhere in the
UK, suggesting that price alone can't always be a clear indicator of
the quality of such things.

But yes, the chances are a £19 ladder from China wouldn't compare
equally with a £200 one sold in the UK and whilst the £19 one might
actually work, the issue could be 'for how long' or 'how reliably',
especially if you push it to it's limits.

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 05:21:02 -0800 (PST), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

snip

I have seen 6.2m telescopic ladders on eBay for £19.00

Well, they build pretty high buildings using bamboo scaffolding but
....

but you got to ask yourself just how good they are when the likes of Screwfix are selling 3m+ types between £100 & £150.

Well quite. ;-(

I really would not like to find out when 6m above the ground.

Me neither. Mind you, it's not heights that kill people, it's normally
the ground! ;-(

I have a 3.6m one which is more than adequate to reach everything I need to on our bungalow but it is heavy and difficult to manoeuvre I can only imagine how awkward a version nearly twice mine would be to carry, extend and manoeuvre.

It seems they do vary in weight quite a bit and not always directly
related to their length.

It may well be one of those things where they are generally an asset
up to 3.x m but after that they (as you say) become overly heavy and
unwieldy, or no less so than a std 2 or 3 piece ally ladder that could
be much cheaper, lighter and more comfortable in use?

It's just not so easy to store ...

Cheers, T i m

On 20/11/2020 13:21, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Friday, 20 November 2020 at 13:00:31 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 12:54:47 +0000, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip
What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?


bloody newbies

So, Jimmy, when you ask a serious question here and people take the
**** out of you you throw your toys out the pram?

Hypocrisy?

Cheers, T i m
I have seen 6.2m telescopic ladders on eBay for £19.00 but you got to ask yourself just how good they are when the likes of Screwfix are selling 3m+ types between £100 & £150. I really would not like to find out when 6m above the ground. I have a 3.6m one which is more than adequate to reach everything I need to on our bungalow but it is heavy and difficult to manoeuvre I can only imagine how awkward a version nearly twice mine would be to carry, extend and manoeuvre.

I wonder how narrow some of the rungs would be with a longer telescopic
ladder? The top rungs would be OK because of the narrowness of the side
rails but for the lower rungs the side rail has to accommodate all the
other side rails inside of it.

With my 3.Xm telescopic ladder and wearing fairly wide safety shoes that
climbing down I tend to start touching the side rail and have to adjust
my position which can be a PITA when carrying something down.

As other have commented the better quality telescopic ladders are not
particularly light and a 6m to 10m may be quite heavy if it is not to
flex too much when using it.

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On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 11:58:13 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

snip

I wonder how narrow some of the rungs would be with a longer telescopic
ladder? The top rungs would be OK because of the narrowness of the side
rails but for the lower rungs the side rail has to accommodate all the
other side rails inside of it.

I would assume (but don't know) that they would make the longer
ladders slightly wider (at the base) to accommodate that?

With my 3.Xm telescopic ladder and wearing fairly wide safety shoes that
climbing down I tend to start touching the side rail and have to adjust
my position which can be a PITA when carrying something down.

Understood.

As other have commented the better quality telescopic ladders are not
particularly light and a 6m to 10m may be quite heavy if it is not to
flex too much when using it.

I think 'flex' is one of those things you would get (or have to get)
used to and learn it's 'par for the course', compared with a rigid
ladder. Like stepping out onto glass floored viewing platform at the
top of a tower or skyscraper and trusting that it's not going to crack
and you fall though.

Flex on a telescopic might be like flex with a reed rather than the
stiffness of an oak tree etc.

Cheers, T i m

On 20/11/2020 13:00, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 12:54:47 +0000, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?


bloody newbies

So, Jimmy, when you ask a serious question here and people take the
**** out of you you throw your toys out the pram?

Hypocrisy?

Cheers, T i m

totly

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 14:35:52 +0000, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

totly

Ok, how we have that sorted, what practical advice can you offer with
all your years of experience?

And see if you can put as much effort into your reply as you did when
complaining that you weren't being taken seriously (assuming you
actually have any experience of such ladders of course)? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Lightening this up, when I was younger and could see there were many optical
illusion pictures around. One was the impossible waterfall, as I'm sure you
have all seen where they all join up and all appear to go downward.
There was another of a one sided ladder that curved and had a twist, so
that the little cartoon men could not only climb forever but never find the
other side.
The old obvious loop. One sided bit of paper etc.
Brain breaking stuff.
Brian

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 14:35:52 +0000, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

totly

Ok, how we have that sorted, what practical advice can you offer with
all your years of experience?

And see if you can put as much effort into your reply as you did when
complaining that you weren't being taken seriously (assuming you
actually have any experience of such ladders of course)? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 20 Nov 2020 at 14:44:25 GMT, "T i m" wrote:

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 14:35:52 +0000, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

totly

Ok, how we have that sorted, what practical advice can you offer with
all your years of experience?

And see if you can put as much effort into your reply as you did when
complaining that you weren't being taken seriously (assuming you
actually have any experience of such ladders of course)? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Actually he has already told you he thinks telescopic ladders are a Bad Thing.
Albeit with no detail or justification. I must admit from my very limited
experience I don't think I'd like to use one longer than about 3m.

--
Roger Hayter

T i m wrote:
(I'm re-sending this because whist Agent says it has been sent, I
can't see it on the ng. Sorry if it's a duplicate).

I would like to be able to get up to the gutters / soffits on this two
story Victorian cottage and don't currently have a suitable ladder.

This wouldn't be for any extended work, just replacing the lamp in
floodlight that covers the back garden or removing debris from the
gutters etc.

I like the idea of the telescopic ladders from a storage / portability
POV but I have only ever footed a 3.2m one but I'm assuming I'd be
looking at something quite a bit longer to reach such heights
(probably 5+m)?

It looks like I can do those sorts of things I need with a ladder from
the guidance he

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg455.pdf

... and I would be able to secure the ladder appropriately so the
question is really around the practicability feasibility of telescopic
ladders of that sort of length? I'm guessing they wouldn't make them
if no one bought them and from the specs I've seen they could easily
support my weight etc ('ladder max load 150kg' etc).

I really wouldn't be using such regularly but would just like to be
able to myself if required (or send tree climbing daughter up there
whilst I foot it etc). ;-)

What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?

Cheers, T i m


First time I saw one was perhaps 20 years back when I had a survey done on
a place I was looking at buying and the surveyor produced one from the back
of his car. I was very worried at first in case it collapsed he was on the
heavy side and I doubt I could lift him up. But it took his weight and I
asked to try it. It was very steady it had a bar at the bottom increasing
the footprint to about double width. His extended and folded in the middle
so you could have a long ladder or a set of steps. Since then Ive seen
several surveyors with then. Aldi had one on offer recently for about £80.
Personally unless I needed something telescopic I would avoid but I
suspect they are safe unless you are really heavy. Certainly a lady would
probably be ok as they tend to be lighter. Go for on with the bar /
extended foot thing for stability.

A ladder is the most dangerous DIY tool I have,
I'd get a normal ladder
where all the parts are visible
and build a special storage area for it

[george]

ps time i got my ladders indoors for the winter mehthinks

On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 12:14:47 PM UTC, T i m wrote:
(I'm re-sending this because whist Agent says it has been sent, I
can't see it on the ng. Sorry if it's a duplicate).

I would like to be able to get up to the gutters / soffits on this two
story Victorian cottage and don't currently have a suitable ladder.

This wouldn't be for any extended work, just replacing the lamp in
floodlight that covers the back garden or removing debris from the
gutters etc.

I like the idea of the telescopic ladders from a storage / portability
POV but I have only ever footed a 3.2m one but I'm assuming I'd be
looking at something quite a bit longer to reach such heights
(probably 5+m)?

It looks like I can do those sorts of things I need with a ladder from
the guidance he

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg455.pdf

... and I would be able to secure the ladder appropriately so the
question is really around the practicability feasibility of telescopic
ladders of that sort of length? I'm guessing they wouldn't make them
if no one bought them and from the specs I've seen they could easily
support my weight etc ('ladder max load 150kg' etc).

I really wouldn't be using such regularly but would just like to be
able to myself if required (or send tree climbing daughter up there
whilst I foot it etc). ;-)

What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 01:54:08 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

A ladder is the most dangerous DIY tool I have,

They certainly can be, like many things in fact if you aren't careful
and respect them.

I'd get a normal ladder
where all the parts are visible

I agree there is some comfort in being able to see it all and why I
wouldn't buy a second hand telescopic one.

and build a special storage area for it

And that's the thing ...

[george]

ps time i got my ladders indoors for the winter mehthinks

I have one boat on the landing so there is no room for the ladders.
;-)

Cheers, T i m

I was balancing on the top rungs to paint windows and finials
so I bought a new ladder a few months ago
10.63m Werner from Wickes.
https://www.wickes.co.uk/Werner-Prof...adder/p/193899

Its a bit too heavy for me to put up alone.

And I have a standoff for the top to clean gutters etc
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...d+off&_sacat=0

I also throw a rope down over the roof
with a loop i put my arm through
so I can tarzan away if something fails.

And I tie the top of the ladder as soon as i can.

I think UK statistics have more deaths from ladders than chainsaws and anglegrinders!

george



On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 12:14:47 PM UTC, T i m wrote:
(I'm re-sending this because whist Agent says it has been sent, I
can't see it on the ng. Sorry if it's a duplicate).

I would like to be able to get up to the gutters / soffits on this two
story Victorian cottage and don't currently have a suitable ladder.

This wouldn't be for any extended work, just replacing the lamp in
floodlight that covers the back garden or removing debris from the
gutters etc.

I like the idea of the telescopic ladders from a storage / portability
POV but I have only ever footed a 3.2m one but I'm assuming I'd be
looking at something quite a bit longer to reach such heights
(probably 5+m)?

It looks like I can do those sorts of things I need with a ladder from
the guidance he

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg455.pdf

... and I would be able to secure the ladder appropriately so the
question is really around the practicability feasibility of telescopic
ladders of that sort of length? I'm guessing they wouldn't make them
if no one bought them and from the specs I've seen they could easily
support my weight etc ('ladder max load 150kg' etc).

I really wouldn't be using such regularly but would just like to be
able to myself if required (or send tree climbing daughter up there
whilst I foot it etc). ;-)

What does the panel think, advice on makes / models etc please?

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 10:02:14 -0800 (PST), George Miles
wrote:

I was balancing on the top rungs to paint windows and finials
so I bought a new ladder a few months ago
10.63m Werner from Wickes.
https://www.wickes.co.uk/Werner-Prof...adder/p/193899

Woah, that's a long ladder.

Its a bit too heavy for me to put up alone.

I'm not surprised!

And I have a standoff for the top to clean gutters etc
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...d+off&_sacat=0

I was thinking of getting something like that as well.

I also throw a rope down over the roof
with a loop i put my arm through
so I can tarzan away if something fails.

Or rip you arm off before you hit the ground. ;-(

And I tie the top of the ladder as soon as i can.

Good idea.

I think UK statistics have more deaths from ladders than chainsaws and anglegrinders!

I wouldn't be surprised. The thing is, they might not look dangerous,
angle grinders and chainsaws typically do.


Cheers, T i m

I have a 3 section ladder too myself that is 4.25 m when closed and
10.63 m when fully extended.

Now you are supposed to have a minimum of 4 rungs of overlap between
each section, so far so good....

But when my hieght is 1.83 and with extended arms adding another 0.8m
giving a maximum reach from the ground to push each section of ladder up
by 2.3 m.

So if one extends each section when resting up against the wall, thats a
max of 4.25 m + 2.3 m + 2.3 m = 8.85 m.... which is almost 2 m of 10.63
m fully extended.

The only way I can see of reaching that full 10.63 m is to lay the
ladder on the ground and then extend it and then upend the fully
extended ladder which is actualyl quite dangerous to do on your own.

Some ladders do have a pulley system but they do not seem all that common?

On 22/11/2020 11:19, No Name wrote:


The only way I can see of reaching that full 10.63 m is to lay the
ladder on the ground and then extend it and then upend the fully
extended ladder which is actualyl quite dangerous to do on your own.

I've found that I've had to use another ladder (or step ladder) to gain
more height to push the extending part up a few more rungs.


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On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 12:17:25 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 22/11/2020 11:19, No Name wrote:


The only way I can see of reaching that full 10.63 m is to lay the
ladder on the ground and then extend it and then upend the fully
extended ladder which is actualyl quite dangerous to do on your own.

I've found that I've had to use another ladder (or step ladder) to gain
more height to push the extending part up a few more rungs.

Whilst out the back earlier I measured my existing 3 piece ally ladder
and it's 2.5m long.

Looking online, it suggest that a similar 2.5m ladder returns:

"This 3 section ladder extends to 5.70m to enable a safe working
height of 6.31m*.

(Safe working height based on 1.75m as the average reach height of a
person)."

So that seems to support my idea of being able to work above the top
of the ladder?

So with a stand off at the top and assuming my existing ladder hasn't
suffered from being (partly) out in the elements for the last ~25
years, I might be able to get away with what I have?

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 11:19:07 +0000, No Name
wrote:


I have a 3 section ladder too myself that is 4.25 m when closed

That would nearly be long enough for my needs in one section. ;-)

and
10.63 m when fully extended.

Whoa, that sounds pretty long. Fireman? ;-)

Now you are supposed to have a minimum of 4 rungs of overlap between
each section, so far so good....

But when my hieght is 1.83 and with extended arms adding another 0.8m
giving a maximum reach from the ground to push each section of ladder up
by 2.3 m.

And that's still not always easy, especially on the second section.

So if one extends each section when resting up against the wall, thats a
max of 4.25 m + 2.3 m + 2.3 m = 8.85 m.... which is almost 2 m of 10.63
m fully extended.

That raises an interesting point .... of is there a sweet spot re
ladder length that 'most people' (likely to be doing such things)
could realistically handle?

As you say, 2.3m plus the 4 rungs worth you lose?

The only way I can see of reaching that full 10.63 m is to lay the
ladder on the ground and then extend it and then upend the fully
extended ladder which is actualyl quite dangerous to do on your own.

Or even with help if you aren't reasonably strong (or there is a
breeze blowing)? ;-)

Some ladders do have a pulley system but they do not seem all that common?

No, I was thinking that and how much easier it should make it. I say
'should' because like all things I'm guessing there would be some
compromises ... like, do the pulleys act in the middle of the ladder
or do you have one each side (to keep it extending straight)? Do they
latch in a different way?

Cheers, T i m

On 22/11/2020 11:19, No Name wrote:

I have a 3 section ladder too myself that is 4.25 m when closed and
10.63 m when fully extended.

Now you are supposed to have a minimum of 4 rungs of overlap between
each section, so far so good....

But when my hieght is 1.83 and with extended arms adding another 0.8m
giving a maximum reach from the ground to push each section of ladder up
by 2.3 m.

So if one extends each section when resting up against the wall, thats a
max of 4.25 m + 2.3 m + 2.3 m = 8.85 m.... which is almost 2 m of 10.63
m fully extended.

The only way I can see of reaching that full 10.63 m is to lay the
ladder on the ground and then extend it and then upend the fully
extended ladder which is actualyl quite dangerous to do on your own.

Some ladders do have a pulley system but they do not seem all that common?

This is a real problem with big triples. You do have to climb the ladder
to extend it! The best way is to extend the top section first, with the
ladder at a steeper angle than for normal use. Extend the top section as
far as it will go. Then with a bit of luck you can stand on the ground
and push the middle section up far enough. If it isn't far enough then
you have to climb the bloody thing to push it up. It ain't good. I had a
very heavy duty four storey triple at one time. The ******* thing nearly
finished me off. I got shut of it finally. No-one should be doing ladder
work at that sort of height anyway. It needs to be a platform or a
machine, or **** it, forget that job, find another one. About 1990 I
started to say, 'pay for access equipment or get some other silly bugger
to do it.'

The heavier triples really do have to have ropes and pulleys, and two men.

Bill