Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg


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On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 22:15:10 +0100, ARW wrote:

Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

apprentice
Nothing wrong at all, but someone's made the cable with the colours
in the wrong order.
/apprentice

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ARW Wrote in message:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg



Earth not connected?
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On 15/10/2020 22:20, Jimk wrote:
ARW Wrote in message:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg



Earth not connected?


It is connected to something.........

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On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?

Fredxx Wrote in message:
On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?




Oh yes! Under the tile gob there's an "N" with the attached earth
wire etc!...
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"Jimk" wrote in message
o.uk...
Fredxx Wrote in message:
On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?




Oh yes! Under the tile gob there's an "N" with the attached earth
wire etc!...

I hadn't seen the "N (earth sign) L" labels embossed in the "bakelite", but
my first thought on seeing the photo was "I think I'd have put earth in the
middle so a stray live or neutral wire would be more likely to touch the
earth in the middle rather than touching live to neutral. I suppose it
doesn't matter *too* much as long as the lead from the cooker to the
connection point is connected with matching wire colours, even if the
neutral terminal has been used for the earth, but it is very unconventional
and a definite "fail" if an electrician inspected it!

On 15 Oct 2020 at 22:27:32 BST, "ARW" wrote:

On 15/10/2020 22:20, Jimk wrote:
ARW Wrote in message:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg



Earth not connected?


It is connected to something.........

I'm not sure what the two wires connected to the earth screw on the back box
come from, unless the back cable's earth wire gets to the main terminal via
the screw. I suppose that wouldn't be totally wrong, but odd.

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On 15/10/2020 22:15, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

Well ignoring the whole "all the right wires, just in the wrong order
bit", I kind of get the feeling they have missed the whole point of
having the cable clamp in there...

Hmmm, now shall we clamp the lose dangly wire drooping off to the
cooker, or shall we do the nice feed wire that is buried in masonry, and
hence sure to accidentally get pulled!


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On 16/10/2020 10:51, John Rumm wrote:
On 15/10/2020 22:15, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

Well ignoring the whole "all the right wires, just in the wrong order
bit", I kind of get the feeling they have missed the whole point of
having the cable clamp in there...

Hmmm, now shall we clamp the lose dangly wire drooping off to the
cooker, or shall we do the nice feed wire that is buried in masonry, and
hence sure to accidentally get pulled!




....and those stray bits of expanded metal lath romping off in the
direction of what ought to be the live terminal don't inspire confidence
either!

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Perhaps a blind person such as I did it? I think I'll demand tactile cables
in future.
grin.
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"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N with
the appropriate conductor?

On 16/10/2020 11:44:17, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Perhaps a blind person such as I did it? I think I'll demand tactile cables
in future.
grin.
Brian


Perhaps leaky gloves for a sensation when you touch live?

On 15/10/2020 22:28, Fredxx wrote:
On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?



That is correct and one of the errors.

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?



And what are the consequences of doing this?

Hint - a LN reversal would not actually be a problem as long as the
cooker cable colours matched the colours in the outlet but this is not a
LN reversal.

To avoid any confusion the 6mm earth is terminated to the back box earth
lug and a fly lead is taken to the outlet plate. It's not the way I
would do it but it is allowed.

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On 15/10/2020 23:28, NY wrote:
"Jimk" wrote in message
o.uk...
Fredxx Wrote in message:
On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?




Oh yes! Under the tile gob there's an "N" with the attached earth
wire etc!...

I hadn't seen the "N (earth sign) L" labels embossed in the "bakelite",
but my first thought on seeing the photo was "I think I'd have put earth
in the middle so a stray live or neutral wire would be more likely to
touch the earth in the middle rather than touching live to neutral. I
suppose it doesn't matter *too* much as long as the lead from the cooker
to the connection point is connected with matching wire colours, even if
the neutral terminal has been used for the earth, but it is very
unconventional and a definite "fail" if an electrician inspected it!

You are close but missing something fundamental about the earth terminal
on a cooker outlet plate...

When you say it does not matter too much you are wrong (although a LN
reversal on a outlet plate would not cause a problem).

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On 15/10/2020 22:20, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 22:15:10 +0100, ARW wrote:

Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

apprentice
Nothing wrong at all, but someone's made the cable with the colours
in the wrong order.
/apprentice


VBG

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On 16 Oct 2020 at 19:01:21 BST, "ARW" wrote:

On 15/10/2020 23:28, NY wrote:
"Jimk" wrote in message
o.uk...
Fredxx Wrote in message:
On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?




Oh yes! Under the tile gob there's an "N" with the attached earth
wire etc!...

I hadn't seen the "N (earth sign) L" labels embossed in the "bakelite",
but my first thought on seeing the photo was "I think I'd have put earth
in the middle so a stray live or neutral wire would be more likely to
touch the earth in the middle rather than touching live to neutral. I
suppose it doesn't matter *too* much as long as the lead from the cooker
to the connection point is connected with matching wire colours, even if
the neutral terminal has been used for the earth, but it is very
unconventional and a definite "fail" if an electrician inspected it!

You are close but missing something fundamental about the earth terminal
on a cooker outlet plate...

When you say it does not matter too much you are wrong (although a LN
reversal on a outlet plate would not cause a problem).

Is the earth terminal bolted to the metal plate, then?

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On 17/10/2020 13:58, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Oct 2020 at 19:01:21 BST, "ARW" wrote:

On 15/10/2020 23:28, NY wrote:
"Jimk" wrote in message
o.uk...
Fredxx Wrote in message:
On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?




Oh yes! Under the tile gob there's an "N" with the attached earth
wire etc!...

I hadn't seen the "N (earth sign) L" labels embossed in the "bakelite",
but my first thought on seeing the photo was "I think I'd have put earth
in the middle so a stray live or neutral wire would be more likely to
touch the earth in the middle rather than touching live to neutral. I
suppose it doesn't matter *too* much as long as the lead from the cooker
to the connection point is connected with matching wire colours, even if
the neutral terminal has been used for the earth, but it is very
unconventional and a definite "fail" if an electrician inspected it!

You are close but missing something fundamental about the earth terminal
on a cooker outlet plate...

When you say it does not matter too much you are wrong (although a LN
reversal on a outlet plate would not cause a problem).

Is the earth terminal bolted to the metal plate, then?



Yes and you win.

That is a LE short circuit in the photo.


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ARW Wrote in message:
On 17/10/2020 13:58, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Oct 2020 at 19:01:21 BST, "ARW" wrote:

On 15/10/2020 23:28, NY wrote:
"Jimk" wrote in message
o.uk...
Fredxx Wrote in message:
On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?




Oh yes! Under the tile gob there's an "N" with the attached earth
wire etc!...

I hadn't seen the "N (earth sign) L" labels embossed in the "bakelite",
but my first thought on seeing the photo was "I think I'd have put earth
in the middle so a stray live or neutral wire would be more likely to
touch the earth in the middle rather than touching live to neutral. I
suppose it doesn't matter *too* much as long as the lead from the cooker
to the connection point is connected with matching wire colours, even if
the neutral terminal has been used for the earth, but it is very
unconventional and a definite "fail" if an electrician inspected it!

You are close but missing something fundamental about the earth terminal
on a cooker outlet plate...

When you say it does not matter too much you are wrong (although a LN
reversal on a outlet plate would not cause a problem).

Is the earth terminal bolted to the metal plate, then?



Yes and you win.

That is a LE short circuit in the photo.



Who was it?
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On 17 Oct 2020 at 15:32:39 BST, "ARW" wrote:

On 17/10/2020 13:58, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Oct 2020 at 19:01:21 BST, "ARW"
wrote:

On 15/10/2020 23:28, NY wrote:
"Jimk" wrote in message
o.uk...
Fredxx Wrote in message:
On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?




Oh yes! Under the tile gob there's an "N" with the attached earth
wire etc!...

I hadn't seen the "N (earth sign) L" labels embossed in the "bakelite",
but my first thought on seeing the photo was "I think I'd have put earth
in the middle so a stray live or neutral wire would be more likely to
touch the earth in the middle rather than touching live to neutral. I
suppose it doesn't matter *too* much as long as the lead from the cooker
to the connection point is connected with matching wire colours, even if
the neutral terminal has been used for the earth, but it is very
unconventional and a definite "fail" if an electrician inspected it!

You are close but missing something fundamental about the earth terminal
on a cooker outlet plate...

When you say it does not matter too much you are wrong (although a LN
reversal on a outlet plate would not cause a problem).

Is the earth terminal bolted to the metal plate, then?



Yes and you win.

That is a LE short circuit in the photo.

You did give us a big clue!

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On 16/10/2020 18:55:15, ARW wrote:
On 15/10/2020 22:28, Fredxx wrote:
On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?



That is correct and one of the errors.

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?



And what are the consequences of doing this?

Hint - a LN reversal would not actually be a problem as long as the
cooker cable colours matched the colours in the outlet but this is not a
LN reversal.

To avoid any confusion the 6mm earth is terminated to the back box earth
lug and a fly lead is taken to the outlet plate. It's not the way I
would do it but it is allowed.

I'm confused, not difficult I know.

The earth terminal has a live conductor fitted. I can't see any earth
wire going to neutral cable.

I can see an incoming earth and neutral behind the foreground cables but
little else to help.

On 20/10/2020 00:28:39, Fredxx wrote:
On 16/10/2020 18:55:15, ARW wrote:
On 15/10/2020 22:28, Fredxx wrote:
On 15/10/2020 22:15:10, ARW wrote:
Can anyone spot any problems?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CookerCU.jpg

I thought the clamp was for cable exiting the connector?



That is correct and one of the errors.

Some illiterate person to fail to associate the earth symbol, L and N
with the appropriate conductor?



And what are the consequences of doing this?

Hint - a LN reversal would not actually be a problem as long as the
cooker cable colours matched the colours in the outlet but this is not
a LN reversal.

To avoid any confusion the 6mm earth is terminated to the back box
earth lug and a fly lead is taken to the outlet plate. It's not the
way I would do it but it is allowed.

I'm confused, not difficult I know.

The earth terminal has a live conductor fitted. I can't see any earth
wire going to neutral cable.

Ah, I understand the significance, that the earth terminal is connected
to the box, and the live is connected to that.

I can see an incoming earth and neutral behind the foreground cables but
little else to help.