https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing

The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.

My thick son has blocked it numerous times now, it's getting past a joke
but partly in his defence there's little suction (siphon?) when it's
flushed.

So several questions...

I affected a repair a while ago to sort a blockage which i've been
meaning to improve upon, so could relatively easily pull the lot apart
and reconfigure it?
Shall I just try to get more run on it or put a bit of vertical in where
it emerges from the wall?

Is it OK to ration bog roll to people going to the loo?

When/if he has kids of his own might there be some hope that he'll use a
rational amount of roll?

On Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:54:07 UTC+1, R D S wrote:
I affected a repair a while ago to sort a blockage which i've been
meaning to improve upon, so could relatively easily pull the lot apart
and reconfigure it?
Shall I just try to get more run on it

Rotate the bend 90 deg so it exits vertically, swept bend then 1" in 1metre fall (1 in 40)

Also look at where the blockage is occuring as if there's any roughness it will snag paper.

Also if your son has to clear it out each time he blocks it, it might have an educational effect.

Owain

On 01/10/2020 13:59, wrote:
Also if your son has to clear it out each time he blocks it, it might have an educational effect.

Sadly it's something I keep discovering when he's ####ed off and I want
to use it.

In article ,
R D S wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing

The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.

My thick son has blocked it numerous times now, it's getting past a joke
but partly in his defence there's little suction (siphon?) when it's
flushed.

So several questions...

I affected a repair a while ago to sort a blockage which i've been
meaning to improve upon, so could relatively easily pull the lot apart
and reconfigure it?
Shall I just try to get more run on it or put a bit of vertical in where
it emerges from the wall?

Is it OK to ration bog roll to people going to the loo?

When/if he has kids of his own might there be some hope that he'll use a
rational amount of roll?

Have you looked at a soil pipe 'T'? Those give a clue as to the common
fall used.

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R D S Wrote in message:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing

The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.

My thick son has blocked it numerous times now, it's getting past a joke
but partly in his defence there's little suction (siphon?) when it's
flushed.

So several questions...

I affected a repair a while ago to sort a blockage which i've been
meaning to improve upon, so could relatively easily pull the lot apart
and reconfigure it?
Shall I just try to get more run on it or put a bit of vertical in where
it emerges from the wall?

Is it OK to ration bog roll to people going to the loo?

When/if he has kids of his own might there be some hope that he'll use a
rational amount of roll?



I note you've had the same "pro" fit the white plastic pipe as in
the other thread on rough plumbing :-)
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On 01/10/2020 13:54, R D S wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing


The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.

Why did you install it like that? Was there a reason not to put a drop
on it?

On 01/10/2020 14:18, Jimk wrote:

I note you've had the same "pro" fit the white plastic pipe as in
the other thread on rough plumbing :-)

Haha, let's gloss over that! I was toying with photoshopping that out.

In seriousness though, that's due a tidying up/lagging and it was going
to be a real bollock of a job running it indoors.

Plus, I've had soooo many leaks and catastrophes of late i'm committed
to having as many pipes as possible on the outside of the building.

On 01/10/2020 14:24, GB wrote:
Why did you install it like that? Was there a reason not to put a drop
on it?

That pipe is probably older than me.

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 13:54:02 +0100, R D S wrote:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing

The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.


A recently built house extension near me has one like that. I
speculate on the likelihood of it being blocked every time I pass it.

On 01/10/2020 14:40, Peter Johnson wrote:
A recently built house extension near me has one like that. I
speculate on the likelihood of it being blocked every time I pass it.

It will depend who's using it, there's only one gibbon who blocks ours.

On 01/10/2020 13:54, R D S wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing


The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.

My thick son has blocked it numerous times now, it's getting past a joke
but partly in his defence there's little suction (siphon?) when it's
flushed.

So several questions...

I affected a repair a while ago to sort a blockage which i've been
meaning to improve upon, so could relatively easily pull the lot apart
and reconfigure it?
Shall I just try to get more run on it or put a bit of vertical in where
it emerges from the wall?

Is it OK to ration bog roll to people going to the loo?

When/if he has kids of his own might there be some hope that he'll use a
rational amount of roll?

I wouldn't blame bog roll.....don't see any reason why that should block
I mean who ever did it took the other downpipes around the soil which is
good .....and it's plastic painted black with a nice wet dash speckle
effect...very nice

Peter Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 13:54:02 +0100, R D S wrote:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing

The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.


A recently built house extension near me has one like that. I
speculate on the likelihood of it being blocked every time I pass it.

When you pass what? (I tried to resist temptation, but ....)

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Peter Johnson wrote in
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 13:54:02 +0100, R D S wrote:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...0G1Ip-x4zGNOd-
IBgmokKc/view?
usp=sharing

The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.


A recently built house extension near me has one like that. I
speculate on the likelihood of it being blocked every time I pass it.


I also see one - it goes around an extension - hardly any fall and about
30 feet of it.

On 01/10/2020 13:54, R D S wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing


The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.

My thick son has blocked it numerous times now, it's getting past a joke
but partly in his defence there's little suction (siphon?) when it's
flushed.

So several questions...

I affected a repair a while ago to sort a blockage which i've been
meaning to improve upon, so could relatively easily pull the lot apart
and reconfigure it?
Shall I just try to get more run on it or put a bit of vertical in where
it emerges from the wall?

Is it OK to ration bog roll to people going to the loo?

When/if he has kids of his own might there be some hope that he'll use a
rational amount of roll?


You don't need much drop - raise the bog up on a platform, a couple of
inches minimum.

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Clive

Clive Arthur Wrote in message:
On 01/10/2020 13:54, R D S wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing


The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.

My thick son has blocked it numerous times now, it's getting past a joke
but partly in his defence there's little suction (siphon?) when it's
flushed.

So several questions...

I affected a repair a while ago to sort a blockage which i've been
meaning to improve upon, so could relatively easily pull the lot apart
and reconfigure it?
Shall I just try to get more run on it or put a bit of vertical in where
it emerges from the wall?

Is it OK to ration bog roll to people going to the loo?

When/if he has kids of his own might there be some hope that he'll use a
rational amount of roll?


You don't need much drop - raise the bog up on a platform, a couple of
inches minimum.


Care home special?
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 13:54:02 +0100, R D S wrote:

My thick son has blocked it numerous times now, it's getting past a joke
but partly in his defence there's little suction (siphon?) when it's
flushed.

Modern low water volume flush?
Dual flush and he uses the even lower volume option?
Pipe work designed for old several of gallons flush?

Shall I just try to get more run on it or put a bit of vertical in where
it emerges from the wall?

Doesn't look to be much clearance where the downpipe goes around the
soil pipe. If you are going to faff about with that you may as well
just drop the end where it enters the stack and inch or two. The less
bends there are the less chance of it blocking.

As some one else has said where is it blocking and is there anything
for stuff to get stuck on at that point? Though TBH proper loo paper
falls apart very quickly in water. Other large and hard solid waste
might get caught in a bend but if its got round the trap in a bog not
likely.

Doesn't a well aimed and fast poured bucket of water clear it anyway?

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 01/10/2020 13:54, R D S wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing


The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.

My thick son has blocked it numerous times now, it's getting past a joke
but partly in his defence there's little suction (siphon?) when it's
flushed.

So several questions...

I affected a repair a while ago to sort a blockage which i've been
meaning to improve upon, so could relatively easily pull the lot apart
and reconfigure it?
Shall I just try to get more run on it or put a bit of vertical in where
it emerges from the wall?

Its hard to tell from the photo how much fall it has. You don't actually
need much. You could probably get some by trimming an inch or two off
the section of grey downpipe (I am assuming the bit that goes out of the
top of the frame is just a vent and so it dropping an inch or two will
have no real effect. The nearer downpipe that wraps round the horizontal
section will limit how far it can move - but that is quite close to the
exit so a small amount there will translate to a larger amount at the
end with the tee. (and you could also cope with a small amount of bend
in the horizontal pipe)


Is it OK to ration bog roll to people going to the loo?

No, you will just encourage them to use something else to hand that may
be even more likely to block.

When/if he has kids of his own might there be some hope that he'll use a
rational amount of roll?



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John.

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On 01/10/2020 16:42, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Modern low water volume flush?

I've got it filling up 6 litres.

Dual flush and he uses the even lower volume option?

Interesting, i'll ask.

Pipe work designed for old several of gallons flush?

It is 4 inch.

As some one else has said where is it blocking and is there anything
for stuff to get stuck on at that point?

It's blocking in the U bend, hence my thoughts. Several flushes usually
sorts it but it persisted today so the plunger came out.

The WC does look to have a small/narrow exit area (is there a word for
that), It's been bugging me in that it often needs a clean after use.
It's quite low too, I thought that might be just down to the cheap
flimsy seat. Are there different sizes of these things? More attention
plainly needed when buying, though it's not often, is it?


I think we have an unfortunate combination of factors here but I can
easily get a little more drop at the right of the horizontal section,
i'll give that a go first.

John Rumm wrote:

Its hard to tell from the photo how much fall it has. You don't actually
need much. You could probably get some by trimming an inch or two off
the section of grey downpipe (I am assuming the bit that goes out of the
top of the frame is just a vent and so it dropping an inch or two will
have no real effect.

Indeed. AIUI you don't need too much slope before you get the
other problem where there is insufficient water to keep the
solids on the move.

Chris
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On 01/10/2020 14:37, R D S wrote:
On 01/10/2020 14:24, GB wrote:
Why did you install it like that? Was there a reason not to put a drop
on it?

That pipe is probably older than me.

It was installed for a toilet, so why didn't it block before?

GB Wrote in message:
On 01/10/2020 14:37, R D S wrote:
On 01/10/2020 14:24, GB wrote:
Why did you install it like that? Was there a reason not to put a drop
on it?

That pipe is probably older than me.

It was installed for a toilet, so why didn't it block before?




Poor diet?
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On 01/10/2020 17:50, Chris J Dixon wrote:
John Rumm wrote:

Its hard to tell from the photo how much fall it has. You don't actually
need much. You could probably get some by trimming an inch or two off
the section of grey downpipe (I am assuming the bit that goes out of the
top of the frame is just a vent and so it dropping an inch or two will
have no real effect.

Indeed. AIUI you don't need too much slope before you get the
other problem where there is insufficient water to keep the
solids on the move.

IIRC the building regs say a max fall of 90mm per m for a soil branch
connection.


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On 01/10/2020 14:25, R D S wrote:
On 01/10/2020 14:18, Jimk wrote:

I note you've had the same "pro" fit the white plastic pipe as in
Â* the other thread on rough plumbing :-)

Haha, let's gloss over that! I was toying with photoshopping that out.

In seriousness though, that's due a tidying up/lagging and it was going
to be a real bollock of a job running it indoors.

Plus, I've had soooo many leaks and catastrophes of late i'm committed
to having as many pipes as possible on the outside of the building.

Replace it with a Saniflo and poke the 'liquidized output' pipe
far enough inside the existing soil pipe to reach the vertical. :-)

On 01/10/2020 14:40, Peter Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 13:54:02 +0100, R D S wrote:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing

The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.


A recently built house extension near me has one like that. I
speculate on the likelihood of it being blocked every time I pass it.


I saw one where the 'horizontal' section was unsupported in the
middle and the heat of the sun had made it sag !

On 01/10/2020 16:14, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 01/10/2020 13:54, R D S wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing


The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.

My thick son has blocked it numerous times now, it's getting past a
joke but partly in his defence there's little suction (siphon?) when
it's flushed.

So several questions...

I affected a repair a while ago to sort a blockage which i've been
meaning to improve upon, so could relatively easily pull the lot apart
and reconfigure it?
Shall I just try to get more run on it or put a bit of vertical in
where it emerges from the wall?

Is it OK to ration bog roll to people going to the loo?

When/if he has kids of his own might there be some hope that he'll use
a rational amount of roll?


You don't need much drop - raise the bog up on a platform, a couple of
inches minimum.

That will still require the bodged-up external pipework to be
altered, which means changes to that ?grey water pipe that
crosses it

On 01/10/2020 17:09, John Rumm wrote:
No, you will just encourage them to use something else to hand that may
be even more likely to block.

You could ban wet-wipes and 'luxury' padded loo roll
though. Stick to plain-old standard loo paper.

On 01/10/2020 19:34, John Rumm wrote:
On 01/10/2020 17:50, Chris J Dixon wrote:
John Rumm wrote:

Its hard to tell from the photo how much fall it has. You don't actually
need much. You could probably get some by trimming an inch or two off
the section of grey downpipe (I am assuming the bit that goes out of the
top of the frame is just a vent and so it dropping an inch or two will
have no real effect.

Indeed. AIUI you don't need too much slope before you get the
other problem where there is insufficient water to keep the
solids on the move.

IIRC the building regs say a max fall of 90mm per m for a soil branch
connection.


The lateral to vertical connector is a 92.5 degree angle,
when measured from below (87.5 degrees above). As long as
the lateral connection in inserted straight then the
fall should be correct. That's how I always interpreted it,
though many modern houses have the lateral connection hidden
between ceiling and upstairs floor and break this rule if the
loo is too far from the stack.

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 01/10/2020 17:09, John Rumm wrote:
No, you will just encourage them to use something else to hand that may
be even more likely to block.

You could ban wet-wipes and 'luxury' padded loo roll
though. Stick to plain-old standard loo paper.

Bronco? or San Izal?

--
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On 01/10/2020 20:35, charles wrote:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 01/10/2020 17:09, John Rumm wrote:
No, you will just encourage them to use something else to hand that may
be even more likely to block.

You could ban wet-wipes and 'luxury' padded loo roll
though. Stick to plain-old standard loo paper.

Bronco? or San Izal?


The stuff that had 'Now wash your hands' printed on it !

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 17:29:51 +0100, R D S wrote:

It's blocking in the U bend, hence my thoughts. Several flushes usually
sorts it but it persisted today so the plunger came out.

No amount of messing about with the external pipe work will help with
blockages in the pan. Bucket of water has yet to fail me and saves
having to deal with a dirty plunger... If it's only the son's motions
that are causing a problem perhaps he needs more roughage in his
diet.

The WC does look to have a small/narrow exit area (is there a word for
that), It's been bugging me in that it often needs a clean after use.
It's quite low too, I thought that might be just down to the cheap
flimsy seat. Are there different sizes of these things?

Excessive use of loo roll and a small exit could be problematical. A
word in his shell like to suggest he tries to cutdown on loo paper
and/or ensure that the loo has cleared after he flushes. ie no
appreciable water rise in the pan just before the flow stops.

Could also cheap design ignoring the almost certainly well known
range of dimensions and shape that make for a good loo. Like where
it's comfortable sit and the alignment that creates of bum to pan.
And there are cultural variations, is it the Germans who have a shelf
for the poo to land on so it can be inspected for worms? You're
supposed to put paper on the shelf before you poo...

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Dave.

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 01/10/2020 20:35, charles wrote:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 01/10/2020 17:09, John Rumm wrote:
No, you will just encourage them to use something else to hand that may
be even more likely to block.

You could ban wet-wipes and 'luxury' padded loo roll
though. Stick to plain-old standard loo paper.

Bronco? or San Izal?


The stuff that had 'Now wash your hands' printed on it !

my father-in-law had stuff with HM Stationery Office printed on it. He was
a civil servant, it was probably borrowed from the office

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charles Wrote in message:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 01/10/2020 17:09, John Rumm wrote:
No, you will just encourage them to use something else to hand that may
be even more likely to block.

You could ban wet-wipes and 'luxury' padded loo roll
though. Stick to plain-old standard loo paper.

Bronco? or San Izal?


Feck izal! When we were kids we'd avoid at nearly all costs having
a **** at grannie's house because of that stuff :-)

They had the tiled in holder & everything :-|
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charles Wrote in message:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 01/10/2020 20:35, charles wrote:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 01/10/2020 17:09, John Rumm wrote:
No, you will just encourage them to use something else to hand that may
be even more likely to block.

You could ban wet-wipes and 'luxury' padded loo roll
though. Stick to plain-old standard loo paper.

Bronco? or San Izal?


The stuff that had 'Now wash your hands' printed on it !

my father-in-law had stuff with HM Stationery Office printed on it. He was
a civil servant, it was probably borrowed from the office


Or a Type "O" ?
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Jimk Wrote in message:
charles Wrote in message:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 01/10/2020 20:35, charles wrote:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 01/10/2020 17:09, John Rumm wrote:
No, you will just encourage them to use something else to hand that may
be even more likely to block.

You could ban wet-wipes and 'luxury' padded loo roll
though. Stick to plain-old standard loo paper.

Bronco? or San Izal?


The stuff that had 'Now wash your hands' printed on it !

my father-in-law had stuff with HM Stationery Office printed on it. He was
a civil servant, it was probably borrowed from the office


Or a Type "O" ?

Or not! :-D
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On 01/10/2020 18:45, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2020 14:37, R D S wrote:
On 01/10/2020 14:24, GB wrote:
Why did you install it like that? Was there a reason not to put a
drop on it?

That pipe is probably older than me.

It was installed for a toilet, so why didn't it block before?


Do you know that it didn't?

R D S wrote:
On 01/10/2020 18:45, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2020 14:37, R D S wrote:
On 01/10/2020 14:24, GB wrote:
Why did you install it like that? Was there a reason not to put a
drop on it?

That pipe is probably older than me.

It was installed for a toilet, so why didn't it block before?


Do you know that it didn't?

One thing to do, is compare your recollection of "how well"
the toilet used to flush years ago (just flushing water, look
at swirl pattern and velocity), versus today. If the bowl
drains slightly slower than it used to, with nothing but
water present, you have to figure out why.

*******

Sometimes the cause is the cross-section of the area that
drains the bowl is reduced by buildup. Buildup which is difficult
to see directly from above. The buildup closes off the flow enough,
that it magnifies the ability of bog roll to clog things.

https://www.plumbingzone.com/f2/diso...ne-salts-9242/

There are some overly dramatic pictures here. This is more likely
to happen near a trap, than in a regular section of pipe.

https://www.hygienevision-europe.com...oilet-cleaner/

The idea is, it's not a soil buildup, it's actually a crystalline
solid buildup. A challenge to scrape off with metal tools, and
if you attack that much chemically (the buildup in the pipe picture above),
you'll need to work the cleaner into the work, to accelerate the
removal process. Just letting a cleaning solution stand, might
take too long.

Normally, if you take a soil pipe apart (depends on what the pipe is made
of), the inside can be relatively clean in terms of built up materials.
As long as there's a good flow there, when it flushes, the pipe can
be clean. But if there is crystalline buildup, it won't likely
be in the pipe, but closer to the bowl. And that makes inspection
difficult, may require either an inspection mirror or a waterproof
webcam kind of tool.

You might be dismayed, if you went to the trouble to change
the rise over run, and the damn thing flushed no different
than before.

Paul

On 01/10/2020 16:14, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 01/10/2020 13:54, R D S wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15T9...ew?usp=sharing


The recently added upstairs loo at work is attached to a run of soil
pipe approx 7 foot long and almost horizontal.

My thick son has blocked it numerous times now, it's getting past a
joke but partly in his defence there's little suction (siphon?) when
it's flushed.

So several questions...

I affected a repair a while ago to sort a blockage which i've been
meaning to improve upon, so could relatively easily pull the lot apart
and reconfigure it?
Shall I just try to get more run on it or put a bit of vertical in
where it emerges from the wall?

Is it OK to ration bog roll to people going to the loo?

When/if he has kids of his own might there be some hope that he'll use
a rational amount of roll?


You don't need much drop - raise the bog up on a platform, a couple of
inches minimum.

one in a hundred minimum. one in sixty probably optimal
over 7 feet that's only an inch drop

The answer is to have a bigger amount of flush.

--
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€“ Ludwig von Mises

On 01/10/2020 17:29, R D S wrote:
On 01/10/2020 16:42, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Modern low water volume flush?

I've got it filling up 6 litres.

Dual flush and he uses the even lower volume option?

Interesting, i'll ask.

Pipe work designed for old several of gallons flush?

It is 4 inch.

As some one else has said where is it blocking and is there anything
for stuff to get stuck on at that point?

It's blocking in the U bend, hence my thoughts. Several flushes usually
sorts it but it persisted today so the plunger came out.

A greater drop beyond the U bend wont fix that.

The WC does look to have a small/narrow exit area (is there a word for
that), It's been bugging me in that it often needs a clean after use.
It's quite low too, I thought that might be just down to the cheap
flimsy seat. Are there different sizes of these things? More attention
plainly needed when buying, though it's not often, is it?


I think we have an unfortunate combination of factors here but I can
easily get a little more drop at the right of the horizontal section,
i'll give that a go first.

I hate to say it, but if its a hard water area, you may have massive
scaling in the U bend.

I spent a merry week after I moved house once with brick acid, chisel
and every proprietary descaler I could find, and eventually removed
about a 2 inch layer of **** encrusted scale round the U bend.

These days I fill the bog up with a descaler overnight once every month
or two

In fact its well worth using a ****load of brick acid every so often to
shift scale followed by caustic soda or hot bleach to shift any fat bergs..

If you tip acid down the loo,does it fizz? If so tip more and more until
it doesn't...


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On 01/10/2020 21:11, Dave Liquorice wrote:
A
word in his shell like to suggest he tries to cutdown on loo paper

tell him to wash his arse first before wiping it.


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fill the world with fools.€�

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On 02/10/2020 10:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

A greater drop beyond the U bend wont fix that.

Of course it won't, what am I thinking? What a waste of a thread