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On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rkets-19012844


Ah, the isle to dump all that food you put in your basket and then half
way through your shop you decide that you no longer want it.

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On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:

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Ah, the isle to dump all that food you put in your basket and then half
way through your shop you decide that you no longer want it.


Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?
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On 30/09/2020 21:16, Jimk wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message:
On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rkets-19012844


Ah, the isle to dump all that food you put in your basket and then half
way through your shop you decide that you no longer want it.


Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?


Why not just put ordinary goods on the shelf for Coeliacs? Much fun to
be had as you imagine them undergoing emergency treatment.

Do you know any ex-alcoholics whom you can take some booze round to? Or
ex-druggies, etc.

HTH

On 30/09/2020 21:31, Jimk wrote:
GB Wrote in message:
On 30/09/2020 21:16, Jimk wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message:
On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rkets-19012844


Ah, the isle to dump all that food you put in your basket and then half
way through your shop you decide that you no longer want it.


Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?


Why not just put ordinary goods on the shelf for Coeliacs? Much fun to
be had as you imagine them undergoing emergency treatment.

Shurely coeliacs should be able to read by now?

And vegans are so stupid they cannot read the label.



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GB Wrote in message:
On 30/09/2020 21:16, Jimk wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message:
On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rkets-19012844


Ah, the isle to dump all that food you put in your basket and then half
way through your shop you decide that you no longer want it.


Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?


Why not just put ordinary goods on the shelf for Coeliacs? Much fun to
be had as you imagine them undergoing emergency treatment.

Shurely coeliacs should be able to read by now?

Do you know any ex-alcoholics whom you can take some booze round to? Or
ex-druggies, etc.

Just what items from your local store would ex-druggies be weakened by?

Toilet cleaner? Vim?

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On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
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Or the reduced-for-quick-sale section where most of it ends up

On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 17:06:11 +0100, "Jim GM4 DHJ ..."
wrote:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rkets-19012844

Well, you won't find the Mrs or I there atm as daughter is doing our
shopping but it will make all our lives easier than having to find all
the good stuff amongst the animal exploitation and remains etc.

And the bizarre thing of course is that *everyone* can eat vegan /
vegetarian food (assuming you have a normal digestive system) so it
*will* become bigger as more people ask / buy it. [1]

Given the British and American Dietetic Associations have stated that
a well planned vegan diet (any diet should be well planned) is
adequate for people of all ages and we are all advised to cut back on
meat for loads of different reasons, it just makes good sense.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/w6z6439

I grilled these sausages for brunch, with some mushrooms, tomato and
'Heinz 5 Beans' on toast (and a mug of tea with oat milk etc):

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305967253

This review sort of sums it up for me:

"I bought these last week and cooked for all the family I’m the only
vegetarian but trying to encourage us all to eat less meat and the
same food, they cooked up lovely and made my mouth water when cooking
I didn't’t even tell my daughter they were meat free and she didn’t
mention anything we all really enjoyed them the texture and flavour
were lovely definitely buy again."

If the non vegi family 'all really enjoyed them', why would you want
to support all the pain, suffering and pollution with the old
fashioned ones?

https://ibb.co/3BTt5zv

Cheers, T i m

[1] The ice cream van we pass regularly when dog walking bought a
couple of boxes of the Magnum vegan chock-ices in for us, and wasn't
bothered when we had something different one hot day (a water lolly)
because he said ... 'No, please don't feel obliged to buy them mate,
I'm selling plenty to other people anyway ...' ;-)

He may have even been selling them to people who might not have bought
anything in any case (as we often wouldn't).

On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 21:46:42 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rkets-19012844


Or the reduced-for-quick-sale section where most of it ends up

If only ... and given most supermarkets are *expanding* their vegan
range / retail area that wouldn't really make sense eh?

Cheers, T i m

On 30/09/2020 21:10, alan_m wrote:
On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rkets-19012844


Ah, the isle to dump all that food you put in your basket and then half
way through your shop you decide that you no longer want it.

I dump mine in the halal section. But I do it carefully so it blends in.

Bill

On 30/09/2020 22:30, T i m wrote:
Given the British and American Dietetic Associations have stated that
a well planned vegan diet (any diet should be well planned) is
adequate for people of all ages and we are all advised to cut back on
meat for loads of different reasons, it just makes good sense.

I don't want 'adequate'. I want another bacon sandwich.

Bill

On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 21:31:47 +0100, Jimk wrote:

GB Wrote in message:
On 30/09/2020 21:16, Jimk wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message:
On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../uk-news/asda-
controversial-vegan-aisle-supermarkets-19012844


Ah, the isle to dump all that food you put in your basket and then
half way through your shop you decide that you no longer want it.


Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?


Why not just put ordinary goods on the shelf for Coeliacs? Much fun to
be had as you imagine them undergoing emergency treatment.

Shurely coeliacs should be able to read by now?

Do you know any ex-alcoholics whom you can take some booze round to?
Or ex-druggies, etc.

Just what items from your local store would ex-druggies be weakened by?

Toilet cleaner? Vim?

a Vick inhaler dissolved in lemonade.....

On 30 Sep 2020 at 22:30:30 BST, "T i m" wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 17:06:11 +0100, "Jim GM4 DHJ ..."
wrote:


https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rkets-19012844

Well, you won't find the Mrs or I there atm as daughter is doing our
shopping but it will make all our lives easier than having to find all
the good stuff amongst the animal exploitation and remains etc.

And the bizarre thing of course is that *everyone* can eat vegan /
vegetarian food (assuming you have a normal digestive system) so it
*will* become bigger as more people ask / buy it. [1]

Given the British and American Dietetic Associations have stated that
a well planned vegan diet (any diet should be well planned) is
adequate for people of all ages and we are all advised to cut back on
meat for loads of different reasons, it just makes good sense.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/w6z6439

I grilled these sausages for brunch, with some mushrooms, tomato and
'Heinz 5 Beans' on toast (and a mug of tea with oat milk etc):

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305967253

This review sort of sums it up for me:

"I bought these last week and cooked for all the family IÂ’m the only
vegetarian but trying to encourage us all to eat less meat and the
same food, they cooked up lovely and made my mouth water when cooking
I didn'tÂ’t even tell my daughter they were meat free and she didnÂ’t
mention anything we all really enjoyed them the texture and flavour
were lovely definitely buy again."

If the non vegi family 'all really enjoyed them', why would you want
to support all the pain, suffering and pollution with the old
fashioned ones?

https://ibb.co/3BTt5zv

Cheers, T i m

[1] The ice cream van we pass regularly when dog walking bought a
couple of boxes of the Magnum vegan chock-ices in for us, and wasn't
bothered when we had something different one hot day (a water lolly)
because he said ... 'No, please don't feel obliged to buy them mate,
I'm selling plenty to other people anyway ...' ;-)

He may have even been selling them to people who might not have bought
anything in any case (as we often wouldn't).

While I do tend to keep some vegan sausages or similar (Richmond very good!)
in the freezer for a treat, a lot of vegan processed food is overpriced swill
- fat, salt, flour and 'flavour'. Better for the animal and probably the
environment, but I dread to think what it might do to people.

Which in fairness is true of meat/animal based stuff too.

--
Cheers, Rob

On 1 Oct 2020 at 00:45:11 BST, "williamwright"
wrote:

On 30/09/2020 22:30, T i m wrote:
Given the British and American Dietetic Associations have stated that
a well planned vegan diet (any diet should be well planned) is
adequate for people of all ages and we are all advised to cut back on
meat for loads of different reasons, it just makes good sense.

I don't want 'adequate'. I want another bacon sandwich.


It's just a habit. You'd be surprised how quickly you can find something that
tastes as good. Well, almost :-)

Although I did have a vegan bacon burger in Germany that did taste
astonishingly like bacon - the cheese and meat was incredible too. I dread to
think of the chemicals that went into making it happen, but things have
certainly moved on on the taste/texture front.

--
Cheers, Rob

On Thursday, 1 October 2020 08:35:40 UTC+1, RJH wrote:
While I do tend to keep some vegan sausages or similar (Richmond very good!)
in the freezer for a treat,

Bloody hell, I thought my diet was cheap and nasty, but I've never regarded any thing from Richmond as a 'treat'.

And I'm a moderately enthusiastic consumer of Ye Olde Oake Hotte Dogges.

Owain

jon Wrote in message:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 21:31:47 +0100, Jimk wrote:

GB Wrote in message:
On 30/09/2020 21:16, Jimk wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message:
On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../uk-news/asda-
controversial-vegan-aisle-supermarkets-19012844


Ah, the isle to dump all that food you put in your basket and then
half way through your shop you decide that you no longer want it.


Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?


Why not just put ordinary goods on the shelf for Coeliacs? Much fun to
be had as you imagine them undergoing emergency treatment.

Shurely coeliacs should be able to read by now?

Do you know any ex-alcoholics whom you can take some booze round to?
Or ex-druggies, etc.

Just what items from your local store would ex-druggies be weakened by?

Toilet cleaner? Vim?

a Vick inhaler dissolved in lemonade.....


How's the rehab coming along?
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:42:19 +0100, williamwright wrote:

On 30/09/2020 21:10, alan_m wrote:
On 30/09/2020 17:06, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../uk-news/asda-
controversial-vegan-aisle-supermarkets-19012844


Ah, the isle to dump all that food you put in your basket and then half
way through your shop you decide that you no longer want it.

I dump mine in the halal section. But I do it carefully so it blends in.

Bill


You will be returned to the stars in atoms.

On 30/09/2020 21:30, T i m wrote:

This review sort of sums it up for me:

"I bought these last week and cooked for all the family I�m the only
vegetarian but trying to encourage us all to eat less meat and the
same food, they cooked up lovely and made my mouth water when cooking
I didn't�t even tell my daughter they were meat free and she didn�t
mention anything we all really enjoyed them the texture and flavour
were lovely definitely buy again."

If the non vegi family 'all really enjoyed them', why would you want
to support all the pain, suffering and pollution with the old
fashioned ones?

Look on the bright side....if the veggie dishes were so good that meat
eaters couldn't tell the difference, then meat products could be fed to
vegans without telling them, and so help mitigate their mental decline
due to lack of vitamin B12. If it brings vegans back into the omnivore
fold and reduces their health risks from dietary insufficiencies, then
it will ease the load on the NHS at a critical time, and so be a 'good
thing'. I think you've really stumbled on something there.

--
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On 1 Oct 2020 at 08:59:25 BST, "
wrote:

On Thursday, 1 October 2020 08:35:40 UTC+1, RJH wrote:
While I do tend to keep some vegan sausages or similar (Richmond very good!)
in the freezer for a treat,

Bloody hell, I thought my diet was cheap and nasty, but I've never regarded
any thing from Richmond as a 'treat'.

They are made of some very questionable ingredients, but do taste and look
good - even the 'meat' version IIRC. Salt and fat is my theory.

And I'm a moderately enthusiastic consumer of Ye Olde Oake Hotte Dogges.

Probably a bit of burnt flavour added to the fat and salt.

--
Cheers, Rob

On 30/09/2020 23:11, T i m wrote:

If only ... and given most supermarkets are *expanding* their vegan
range / retail area that wouldn't really make sense eh?

And they will remove that section as quickly if sales don't warrant the
shelf space. I'll bet that the shelves in the "specialised" areas only
carry the expensive stock


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On 01/10/2020 08:39, RJH wrote:

Although I did have a vegan bacon burger in Germany that did taste
astonishingly like bacon - the cheese and meat was incredible too. I dread to
think of the chemicals that went into making it happen, but things have
certainly moved on on the taste/texture front.



Isn't that the mistake a lot of people make in assuming that if
something is branded in such a way that it is natural and not highly
processed?

I'm not sure why those manufacturing vegetarian burgers should try and
imitate the taste of meat as surely they are aiming at a completely
different market.

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On 01/10/2020 08:59, wrote:
On Thursday, 1 October 2020 08:35:40 UTC+1, RJH wrote:
While I do tend to keep some vegan sausages or similar (Richmond very good!)
in the freezer for a treat,

Bloody hell, I thought my diet was cheap and nasty, but I've never regarded any thing from Richmond as a 'treat'.

+1

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 09:39:49 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 30/09/2020 23:11, T i m wrote:

If only ... and given most supermarkets are *expanding* their vegan
range / retail area that wouldn't really make sense eh?

And they will remove that section as quickly if sales don't warrant the
shelf space.

Of course, but do you think they would have set them up in the first
place if there wasn't the demand?

I'll bet that the shelves in the "specialised" areas only
carry the expensive stock

That's not how I saw it. It looks like they are creating a 'Vegan'
like they have for 'World foods' or 'Bread', 'Home n wear' or other
'specialised' isles so that people interested in such things can find
them efficiently.

ATM, if you want the vegan versions of anything you have to go to the
general area and look for those things that are vegan mixed amongst
all the animal death and exploitation stuff.

So, if we were going shopping we wouldn't bother with any of that and
just pick up what we want from the vegan isle. (And we wouldn't be
thrown or bothered by any non-vegan stuff that had been put in that
isle by mistake or some tosser thinking they were being clever /
funny).

Even if you don't give a fcuk about the lives and exploitation of
animals, there are many people who do and given the (especially easy,
with an isle dedicated to such) opportunity to support that, they
will. This also includes things where people would like to extend
their greenness (along with not supporting live stock) like washing
power were the TV ads are currently pushing the likes of Persil as
using recycled plastic and the cleaning agents being 'plant based'.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yb8yfcts

Consumers have the opportunity to change a lot of stuff, if they are
interested to as today with all the JIT stuff and demand driven
production, if enough people stop buying something it quickly becomes
'discontinued'.

The sooner people 'discontinue' supporting the pain and suffering they
are inflicting on innocent animals the better (and I would have
thought 'most people' would agree)? If only they took their heads out
of the sand (/ grew a pair and faced the truth) and made that
connection ... ;-(

https://ibb.co/KyrZKCv

Cheers, T i m

On 30/09/2020 21:39, ARW wrote:

Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?


Why not just put ordinary goods on the shelf for Coeliacs? Much fun to
be had as you imagine them undergoing emergency treatment.

Shurely coeliacs should be able to read by now?

And vegans are so stupid they cannot read the label.


Even if so, they wouldn't put a chunk of meat in their basket. On the
other hand, coeliacs are so easy to poison ...

It does seem to me very odd that people here are so outspokenly
anti-vegan. Is it just to taunt Tim? It seems to me that cats make
terrible pets compared to dogs, but out of politeness I wouldn't dream
of saying so to a cat lover. (Oops!)

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 00:45:11 +0100, williamwright
wrote:

On 30/09/2020 22:30, T i m wrote:
Given the British and American Dietetic Associations have stated that
a well planned vegan diet (any diet should be well planned) is
adequate for people of all ages and we are all advised to cut back on
meat for loads of different reasons, it just makes good sense.

I don't want 'adequate'.

Adequate as in 'more than sufficient'.

I want another bacon sandwich.

And there was me thinking you loved animals, turns out you are a
speciesist.

https://ibb.co/2ZNZ0TM

https://ibb.co/N2zFBJh

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 07:39:31 +0000 (UTC), RJH
wrote:

On 1 Oct 2020 at 00:45:11 BST, "williamwright"
wrote:

On 30/09/2020 22:30, T i m wrote:
Given the British and American Dietetic Associations have stated that
a well planned vegan diet (any diet should be well planned) is
adequate for people of all ages and we are all advised to cut back on
meat for loads of different reasons, it just makes good sense.

I don't want 'adequate'. I want another bacon sandwich.


It's just a habit. You'd be surprised how quickly you can find something that
tastes as good. Well, almost :-)

It's all down to intent, indoctrination and empathy Rob.

I liked a bacon sandwich but am more than satisfied with the animal
death and suffering free alternatives, simply because it's free of
animal death and suffering.

Although I did have a vegan bacon burger in Germany that did taste
astonishingly like bacon - the cheese and meat was incredible too.

Yup, they can be and are certainly getting better all the time [1].

I dread to
think of the chemicals that went into making it happen, but things have
certainly moved on on the taste/texture front.

Do you think the chemicals are any worse than the chemicals they put
into most other (non vegan) products?

https://ibb.co/PcBVgHB

If you go for non 'ready meal' vegan foods and make your own from
scratch (just as many do with a vegetable casserole or veg soup or a
salad etc) then the chances are it would (could) be as if not more
healthy for you than something based around meat.

What people don't link is the connection between the meat they eat and
the pollution and greenhouse gasses they create whilst doing so that
isn't anything like the same when eating a plant based diet. That
pollution etc affects *everyone's* heath.

Cheers, T i m

On 1 Oct 2020 08:53:01 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 01 Oct 2020 at 00:45:11 BST, williamwright wrote:

On 30/09/2020 22:30, T i m wrote:
Given the British and American Dietetic Associations have stated that
a well planned vegan diet (any diet should be well planned) is
adequate for people of all ages and we are all advised to cut back on
meat for loads of different reasons, it just makes good sense.

I don't want 'adequate'. I want another bacon sandwich.

T r o l l hasn't grasped that I'm not on a diet, therefore what any "Dietetic
Association" may have to say is neither here nor there.

Feck, just when I thought the Squeaker Goblin couldn't faceplant any
harder, he goes and surprises us all again!

Everone who eats is 'on a diet', it's the range of things that they
eat.

" Diet

1.
the kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually
eats."

(You really can't make this sort of thing up can you?!)

What a thick, faceplanting, stupid Squeaker Goblin!!!

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 07:35:33 +0000 (UTC), RJH
wrote:

snip

While I do tend to keep some vegan sausages or similar (Richmond very good!)
in the freezer for a treat,

'For a treat ...'. Given the reason that many vegan's go that way is
for the ethics of not wanting to kill or exploit animals, I would have
thought (the logic of that, even if you weren't a vegan) would be that
you would have the dead animal sausages 'as a treat', the norm being
that there is less animal pain and death and so you would only make
animals suffer less frequently (as a treat)?

a lot of vegan processed food is overpriced swill
- fat, salt, flour and 'flavour'.

Yup, like a lot of overpriced animal based foods?

https://ibb.co/J3Tr8dd

Better for the animal and probably the
environment, but I dread to think what it might do to people.

See above.

Which in fairness is true of meat/animal based stuff too.

Exactly. ;-)

Any *processed* foods, vegan or otherwise is likely to be worse for us
than non processed foods and given we (humans) have lived longer
eating just fruit / nuts / veg that than we have also been eating
meat.

https://ibb.co/VQLXXxT

Cheers, T i m

On 01/10/2020 09:51, GB wrote:

t does seem to me very odd that people here are so outspokenly
anti-vegan. Is it just to taunt Tim?

I'm fairly sure that no-one on here is anti-vegan. What people *are*
against is T i m ' s
constant proselytising, unending claptrap, patent gullibility, blinkered
vision, and repeated foul accusations against individuals of animal
torture and animal rape, while at the same time refusing even to
acknowledge other forms of animal cruelty that he seems uninterested in
pursuing.

--
Spike

On 01/10/2020 10:51, GB wrote:
On 30/09/2020 21:39, ARW wrote:

Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?


Why not just put ordinary goods on the shelf for Coeliacs? Much fun to
be had as you imagine them undergoing emergency treatment.

Shurely coeliacs should be able to read by now?

And vegans are so stupid they cannot read the label.


Even if so, they wouldn't put a chunk of meat in their basket. On the
other hand, coeliacs are so easy to poison ...

It does seem to me very odd that people here are so outspokenly
anti-vegan. Is it just to taunt Tim? It seems to me that cats make
terrible pets compared to dogs, but out of politeness I wouldn't dream
of saying so to a cat lover. (Oops!)


Well its the same thing that has made me tempted to hate gay people
black people and foreigners, since I have been repeatedly told how ****
I am compared to all of them, and how much I secretly hate them.


--
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
fully understood.

On 01/10/2020 11:57, Spike wrote:
On 01/10/2020 09:51, GB wrote:

t does seem to me very odd that people here are so outspokenly
anti-vegan. Is it just to taunt Tim?

I'm fairly sure that no-one on here is anti-vegan. What people *are*
against is T i m ' s
constant proselytising, unending claptrap, patent gullibility, blinkered
vision, and repeated foul accusations against individuals of animal
torture and animal rape, while at the same time refusing even to
acknowledge other forms of animal cruelty that he seems uninterested in
pursuing.

Precisely. His metaphysics are inconsistent. He claims logical a belief
in the sanctity of animal life, whist slaughtering bacteria, viruses
vegetables and fungi mercilessly.

It is the wildest case of anthropomorphism imaginable, And yet he
doesnt see it.

Bacterial Lives Matter!

--
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.

On 01/10/2020 12:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2020 10:51, GB wrote:
On 30/09/2020 21:39, ARW wrote:

Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?


Why not just put ordinary goods on the shelf for Coeliacs? Much fun to
be had as you imagine them undergoing emergency treatment.

Shurely coeliacs should be able to read by now?

And vegans are so stupid they cannot read the label.


Even if so, they wouldn't put a chunk of meat in their basket. On the
other hand, coeliacs are so easy to poison ...

It does seem to me very odd that people here are so outspokenly
anti-vegan. Is it just to taunt Tim? It seems to me that cats make
terrible pets compared to dogs, but out of politeness I wouldn't dream
of saying so to a cat lover. (Oops!)


Well its the same thing that has made me tempted to hate gay people
black people and foreigners, since I have been repeatedly told how ****
I am compared to all of them, and how much I secretly hate them.

Well, everyone is a foreigner to someone else, so you seem tempted to
hate everyone. Perhaps you're just feeling a bit grumpy this morning?

On 01/10/2020 11:57, Spike wrote:
On 01/10/2020 09:51, GB wrote:

t does seem to me very odd that people here are so outspokenly
anti-vegan. Is it just to taunt Tim?

I'm fairly sure that no-one on here is anti-vegan.

I know some plants that are very clear on that subject....

On 01/10/2020 02:31, Fredxx wrote:

It might be adequate for some but will be deficient in B12 for many.

https://www.boots.com/boots-vitamin-...blets-10211858

On 01/10/2020 12:23, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2020 12:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2020 10:51, GB wrote:
On 30/09/2020 21:39, ARW wrote:

Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?


Why not just put ordinary goods on the shelf for Coeliacs? Much
fun to
be had as you imagine them undergoing emergency treatment.

Shurely coeliacs should be able to read by now?

And vegans are so stupid they cannot read the label.


Even if so, they wouldn't put a chunk of meat in their basket. On the
other hand, coeliacs are so easy to poison ...

It does seem to me very odd that people here are so outspokenly
anti-vegan. Is it just to taunt Tim? It seems to me that cats make
terrible pets compared to dogs, but out of politeness I wouldn't
dream of saying so to a cat lover. (Oops!)


Well its the same thing that has made me tempted to hate gay people
black people and foreigners, since I have been repeatedly told how
**** I am compared to all of them, and how much I secretly hate them.

Well, everyone is a foreigner to someone else, so you seem tempted to
hate everyone. Perhaps you're just feeling a bit grumpy this morning?

Actually I don't hate anyone. I am lazy. It's too much like hard work




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On 01/10/2020 11:41, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2020 02:31, Fredxx wrote:

It might be adequate for some but will be deficient in B12 for many.

https://www.boots.com/boots-vitamin-...blets-10211858


Product details

Vitamin B12 10 μg Food Supplement, 60 Tablets

What does it do?
Ideal for those following a Vegetarian or Vegan diet.
*Reduces tiredness and fatigue*.

Its recommended when following a Vegetarian or Vegan diet to consume
foods fortified with B12 or a daily supplement. Vitamin B12 is a key
nutrient that supports overall health including healthy red blood cell
formation and *maintaining a normal nervous system*. Additionally,
Vitamin B12 also helps to reduce tiredness and fatigue.


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Spike

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 10:51:33 +0100, GB
wrote:

snip

It does seem to me very odd that people here are so outspokenly
anti-vegan.

It's not odd to me. If you try to change habits and a mind set that
people have had for a whole lifetime, 'of course' they are likely to
kick up a fuss, especially 'old men' and especially 'men', because
that's what they do.

That's why there was little point me trying to come here with a
straight request for people to 'stop eating meat' because why would
'they' want to bother doing that? After all, it's not them suffering
and dying is it?

So what I did was put people in the (hypothetical situation that of
course none of the trolls would, and none of the left brainers could
consider) situation of 'Ok, if you had to get a licence to buy / eat
meat by actually doing what you pay others to do, would / could you?'
and I only got a couple of straight answers and a load of BS?

https://ibb.co/h883FH2

Why, because who here is going to admit they couldn't do it themselves
but are cowardly enough to pay someone else?

Is it just to taunt Tim?

From the trolls like nymshifter Spike/Burk, Fredxx, Richard and the
Squeaker Goblin, for sure (they all fit into the picture on the left):

https://ibb.co/RHWFbVN

.... however, there have been people who along the way have suggested
that they (or some of their family) are already vegetarian (at least)
and there are bound to be others that might now be thinking about it
(some / more).

That certainly seems to be the case re all the Supermarkets / Fast
Food places ramping up their vegan offerings and the TV ads supporting
such.

It seems to me that cats make
terrible pets compared to dogs, but out of politeness I wouldn't dream
of saying so to a cat lover. (Oops!)

No, because all you are likely to do is 'offend' the tribal viewpoint
on someone who loves / hates cats or loves / hates dogs. There will be
plenty (here even) who have (or have had) both, either individually or
simultaneously and can't see what the fuss is about. There are no real
victims there (on the whole), unlike with *all* live stock.

However, when it comes to our treatment of said 'LIVE stock' (two
words that I'm not sure belong together in the first place), given the
range of alternatives these days, the wasted resources, the greenhouse
gasses created by live stock and the pollution caused, only
'speciesism', 'logical inconsistency or 'cognitive dissonance' can
explain how we 'love' our pets, (and 'Wildlife?') but have so little
respect for *SOME* other species that we have arbitrarily decided that
we can treat / exploit how we like?

https://ibb.co/fG4MVBJ

At least the Koreans (or any other culture that basically eats
*anything*) aren't demonstrating the 'logical inconsistency. ;-(

So, not wanting to be part of all that animal suffering and
exploitation, we (as in this family) went vegan in Veganuary and are
happy (because we are no longer in moral conflict) actually doing our
bit by impacting the demand and so the supply.

As more people do that, as more people move over to non animal, more
plant-based lifestyles then there will be even less suffering.

And no one (especially the vegans) have suggested veganism is the
answer to all the questions / problems. What it is those is an answer
to a great big chunk of them that we (the people) can do with very
little effort ... and why I'm guessing the likes of Asda / M&S are
creating dedicated 'vegan' isles to mate it easier to meet that
demand.

https://ibb.co/G2cZx1G

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:41:06 +0100, GB
wrote:

https://www.boots.com/boots-vitamin-...blets-10211858

The thing is, if you are following a vegan diet the chances are you
are already consuming foods that are 'fortified' with B12, typically
the case with many cereals and milk alternatives etc.

Add to that, anyone who takes a multivitamin tablet will also be
getting B12 (as we have been doing for a good few years) then you
don't have the problem.

The sham is that because the animals we used to get B12 from often
don't get it themselves, we have to feed *them* B12 supplements in the
hope that we will be able to extract the B12 from the animal protein,
which we can't do as easily as us taking the B12 supplements directly!

90% of the B12 we create (because B12 deficiency is no way unique to
vegans) is fed to livestock in the hope that we in turn get it! Crazy
or what!

https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/livestoc...eep-and-cattle

https://www.veganlifemag.com/debunki...s-vitamin-b12/

Unfortunately, those who want to continue all the animal suffering and
exploitation will try to throw up any obstruction to not doing so,
simply because 1) they won't be told how to live their lives (not
considering the animals have the same right) and 2) that make up any
old BS here is essential so that's why I'll carry on exploiting and
killing animals, for the pleasure of their taste.

If you don't believe you have the right to 'just' kill or exploit an
animal because you like how they or their excretions taste, then
everything else falls into place.

"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is
possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty
to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."

https://ibb.co/ZLNYY6n

Cheers, T i m

On 01/10/2020 10:51:33, GB wrote:
On 30/09/2020 21:39, ARW wrote:

Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?


Why not just put ordinary goods on the shelf for Coeliacs? Much fun to
be had as you imagine them undergoing emergency treatment.

Shurely coeliacs should be able to read by now?

And vegans are so stupid they cannot read the label.


Even if so, they wouldn't put a chunk of meat in their basket. On the
other hand, coeliacs are so easy to poison ...

It does seem to me very odd that people here are so outspokenly
anti-vegan.

I think we need to establish that many people here aren't anti-vegan at
all.

That people like myself are against being told I should have a license
to eat meat and how left-brained I am or how thick I am.

I, for one embrace other lifestyles, it is a shame that a minority are
so fanatical and hold extreme views that they are unable to embrace
other lifestyles that eat meat.

Is it just to taunt Tim? It seems to me that cats make
terrible pets compared to dogs, but out of politeness I wouldn't dream
of saying so to a cat lover. (Oops!)

The only taunting from me is at the invitation of Tim, when he posts off
topic for the forum and abuses those who disagree with him or enjoy a
different lifestyle.

It doesn't help that his motives behind inflicting others with his own
lifestyle are highly suspect as well as showing blatant hypocrisy.

On 01/10/2020 10:43:56, T i m wrote:

snip

The sooner people 'discontinue' supporting the pain and suffering

Many don't support the continued pain and suffering of animals and
campaign to improve animal welfare.

By way of example, you wouldnt campaign to stop animals being bled out
whilst upside down and aware of their surroundings whereas I do.