Thinking I'll dump my land line & go 4g at my next renewal of ISP.

I "never" use the landline for calls. But if I wanted to, could I
connect a normal phone to use the interweb kind of like VoIP? If
so how?

(I appreciate it wouldn't work if the 4g internet was down.)

TIA
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Jimk wrote:
Thinking I'll dump my land line & go 4g at my next renewal of ISP.

I "never" use the landline for calls. But if I wanted to, could I
connect a normal phone to use the interweb kind of like VoIP? If
so how?

Yes. You have roughly two options:

An Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) is a box you plug a wired landline phone
into, and the box then plugs into your router. There are a number of
vendors. Sometimes they can be incorporated into your router.

A combined ATA and DECT base station that connects to DECT cordless phones
but plugs into your router rather than your telephone socket. Gigaset
and FritzBox in particular specialise in these.

(I appreciate it wouldn't work if the 4g internet was down.)

Indeed. A different option is a 'cellular terminal' which looks like a
landline phone but uses the mobile network instead of a landline. That gets
you the creature comforts of a landline desk phone (good speakerphone etc,
pick up handset to answer, ability to plug in a headset, etc) but using
mobile calls rather than landline or mobile data.

Theo

On Saturday, 11 July 2020 16:29:01 UTC+1, JimK wrote:
(I appreciate it wouldn't work if the 4g internet was down.)

Many of the ATA boxes have automatic fall-over to PSTN if the VoIP fails.

If your mobile phone has Bluetooth you can pair it with one of these to make landline calls using mobile minutes (not VoIP).

https://www.ligo.co.uk/ligo-bluewave...ct-description

Owain

Theo Wrote in message:
Jimk wrote:
Thinking I'll dump my land line & go 4g at my next renewal of ISP.

I "never" use the landline for calls. But if I wanted to, could I
connect a normal phone to use the interweb kind of like VoIP? If
so how?

Yes. You have roughly two options:

An Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) is a box you plug a wired landline phone
into, and the box then plugs into your router. There are a number of
vendors. Sometimes they can be incorporated into your router.

A combined ATA and DECT base station that connects to DECT cordless phones
but plugs into your router rather than your telephone socket. Gigaset
and FritzBox in particular specialise in these.

(I appreciate it wouldn't work if the 4g internet was down.)

Indeed. A different option is a 'cellular terminal' which looks like a
landline phone but uses the mobile network instead of a landline. That gets
you the creature comforts of a landline desk phone (good speakerphone etc,
pick up handset to answer, ability to plug in a headset, etc) but using
mobile calls rather than landline or mobile data.

Theo


Ok so keeping it simple for now...

On eBay i see a "Cisco ATA 186 Analog Telephone Adaptor" for 20
odd quid... worthy?

Also I the old phone plugged into this to make a call, what is
shown on the caller display at the recipients end?

How would they call me back say?
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Jimk Wrote in message:
Theo Wrote in message:
Jimk wrote:
Thinking I'll dump my land line & go 4g at my next renewal of ISP.

I "never" use the landline for calls. But if I wanted to, could I
connect a normal phone to use the interweb kind of like VoIP? If
so how?

Yes. You have roughly two options:

An Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) is a box you plug a wired landline phone
into, and the box then plugs into your router. There are a number of
vendors. Sometimes they can be incorporated into your router.

A combined ATA and DECT base station that connects to DECT cordless phones
but plugs into your router rather than your telephone socket. Gigaset
and FritzBox in particular specialise in these.

(I appreciate it wouldn't work if the 4g internet was down.)

Indeed. A different option is a 'cellular terminal' which looks like a
landline phone but uses the mobile network instead of a landline. That gets
you the creature comforts of a landline desk phone (good speakerphone etc,
pick up handset to answer, ability to plug in a headset, etc) but using
mobile calls rather than landline or mobile data.

Theo


Ok so keeping it simple for now...

On eBay i see a "Cisco ATA 186 Analog Telephone Adaptor" for 20
odd quid... worthy?

Also* if I had the old *phone plugged into this to make a call, what is
shown on the caller display at the recipients end?

How would they call me back say?


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Jimk wrote:
Jimk Wrote in message:
Theo Wrote in message:
Jimk wrote:
Thinking I'll dump my land line & go 4g at my next renewal of ISP.

I "never" use the landline for calls. But if I wanted to, could I
connect a normal phone to use the interweb kind of like VoIP? If
so how?
Yes. You have roughly two options:

An Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) is a box you plug a wired landline phone
into, and the box then plugs into your router. There are a number of
vendors. Sometimes they can be incorporated into your router.

A combined ATA and DECT base station that connects to DECT cordless phones
but plugs into your router rather than your telephone socket. Gigaset
and FritzBox in particular specialise in these.

(I appreciate it wouldn't work if the 4g internet was down.)
Indeed. A different option is a 'cellular terminal' which looks like a
landline phone but uses the mobile network instead of a landline. That gets
you the creature comforts of a landline desk phone (good speakerphone etc,
pick up handset to answer, ability to plug in a headset, etc) but using
mobile calls rather than landline or mobile data.

Theo

Ok so keeping it simple for now...

On eBay i see a "Cisco ATA 186 Analog Telephone Adaptor" for 20
odd quid... worthy?

Also* if I had the old *phone plugged into this to make a call, what is
shown on the caller display at the recipients end?

How would they call me back say?

The number plan for VOIP is separate from your analog POTS setup.

The systems don't particularly start up, by knowing about one another.

*******

Take my case.

I had an analog phone at 12345.

I purchase a VOIP box.

I tell the ISP I'm going to be getting my VOIP
services from, to "pull my number".

The ISP gives me 56789 as a temporary phone number.
If I have two analog phone handsets, I plug one
into the VOIP box, I plug the other into the RJ11 POTS,
and I dial 56789 from the old (12345, analog) phone,
the VOIP box phone rings.

Two weeks later, the "pull" is activated at midnight.

Now, the analog phone is... dead. I'm not paying for
service, so service is cut at midnight.

At midnight, the VOIP server at the ISP changes out
the temporary number from 56789, to 12345. Now, I
have "number portability", I've pulled my well known
phone number to the VOIP server, and people who call
me at the old number, the VOIP phone now rings.

For two weeks during the transition, I was making
calls between the two phones as part of debugging.
I tried several different encoder settings in the
VOIP webpage, until I had a nice one. I also tried
different networking boxes setups (where I plug in the
VOIP box), for best operation when a download is
happening at the same time as the phone call.

*******

It's possible to set up dual ring, on both the
analog POTS phone and the VOIP phone. But, you'd be
paying for two services. You would have a bill for the
POTS, which is likely 5x more expensive than the VOIP bill.

*******

You can use your ISP for a VOIP service, or there can be
external providers who are not your ISP.

You would get some details from your new provider, whoever
it is, and they would be filled in here. That's the web
interface on the ATA. The example is an ATA which happens
to be 172.16.1.2, and is being configured from a computer
at 172.16.1.3 on the same subnet LAN and router box.

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/suppor...-ata-sccp.html

Whether you do a pull and use number portability (killing
your old phone), or, you get a brand new phone number
that's never been used before, the ATA needs *some* POTS-like
phone number, so you can receive calls on the VOIP box.

When I set mine up, I had to buy an additional analog phone
during the testing period. Good thing I did, as since then
the original phone died, and I'm using the "spare" for the
VOIP now. The phone was not wasted, after all. If I could
get the old phone apart, I could fix it.

Paul

Jimk wrote:
Ok so keeping it simple for now...

On eBay i see a "Cisco ATA 186 Analog Telephone Adaptor" for 20
odd quid... worthy?

Probably, although some can be locked to a particular provider.
I don't know that particular model.

Also I the old phone plugged into this to make a call, what is
shown on the caller display at the recipients end?

How would they call me back say?

You configure your box with an account with a VOIP provider, which gives you
a different number (can be any area code of your choice, even
international). That's what appears on the recipient's end, and how they
call you back. It's completely separate from your existing landline. You'd
likely pay a pound or two a month for rental of this number.

Additionally, you can port a landline number to it - which will cause the
landline to either become disconnected or renumbered (if your VOIP provider
does it carefully).

Theo

On 11/07/2020 16:28, Jimk wrote:
Thinking I'll dump my land line & go 4g at my next renewal of ISP.

I "never" use the landline for calls. But if I wanted to, could I
connect a normal phone to use the interweb kind of like VoIP? If
so how?

(I appreciate it wouldn't work if the 4g internet was down.)

TIA


A Cisco SPA112 will do what you want. You could have two separate lines
if you want.

You need to have a VOIP provider such as Sipgate. I you want you can
port your land line number to the VOIP provider - form a fee.


There is also the Gigaseet N300IP which is a VOIP DECT base station,
that works best with Gigaset DECT phones such as the C430.



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Michael Chare

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:37:30 +0100, Michael Chare wrote:

There is also the Gigaseet N300IP which is a VOIP DECT base station,
that works best with Gigaset DECT phones such as the C430.

That's a point. I have a N300A IP (A = answer phone) with a lightning
zapped POTS port. The rest of it is all still fully functional.

Would require a Gigaset handset to use. It'd do the ATA bit for the
OP if he's happy to use DECT rather than a wired phone.

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Cheers
Dave.

On 11/07/2020 16:28, Jimk wrote:
Thinking I'll dump my land line & go 4g at my next renewal of ISP.

I "never" use the landline for calls. But if I wanted to, could I
connect a normal phone to use the interweb kind of like VoIP? If
so how?

(I appreciate it wouldn't work if the 4g internet was down.)

TIA

VOIP is brilliant over a fixed line internet link, not so good over 4g.

It does work over 4g but can be patchy. It depends a lot on the quality
of your 4g service. AIUI 4g also has a higher latency than a fixed line
which can degrade VOIP quality, over and above congestion problems.

If you want a VOIP number you can set it up on your mobile. You can get
a free VOIP number from Sipgate. Try it, you have nothing to lose but
your landline chains.

In article ,
Jimk wrote:
I "never" use the landline for calls.

I do. And it never ceases to amaze just how bad quality some calls from
mobiles are. Unlike calls from other landlines.

But I'd guess such things don't matter to you. Apart from when you start a
thread moaning about it, of course.

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On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 11:52:04 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I "never" use the landline for calls.

I do. And it never ceases to amaze just how bad quality some calls from
mobiles are.

All calls that have a mobile involved are bad, nearly always have ds
mistatwng and even without the audio being mangled the delay is
annoying. Mind you all calls carried on the landline aren't that
great either, low level, strange raspy quality, low level hum, nearly
3 miles of twisted pair cause that.

VOIP via the ADSL2+ carried on the same twisted pair doesn't suffer
any of these problems and has a wider bandwidth. B-)

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Cheers
Dave.

In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
Mind you all calls carried on the landline aren't that
great either, low level, strange raspy quality, low level hum, nearly
3 miles of twisted pair cause that.

I talk to my brother land line to landline twice a week. London to
Aberdeen. Bit more than 3 miles of cable. Never had a bad 'line'.

Perhaps your local end needs sorting? 3 miles of balanced audio is
nothing. ;-)

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On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:06:25 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Mind you all calls carried on the landline aren't that
great either, low level, strange raspy quality, low level hum,
nearly
3 miles of twisted pair cause that.

I talk to my brother land line to landline twice a week. London to
Aberdeen. Bit more than 3 miles of cable. Never had a bad 'line'.

But apart from the two local ends it'll be digits all the way. Must
be 30, maybe 40 years, since all exchanges were connected digitally.

Perhaps your local end needs sorting? 3 miles of balanced audio is
nothing. ;-)

Well there can't be much up with it as it supports ADSL2+ to 6 Mbps
down, 1 Mbps up. 46 dB loss down stream, 25 dB loss up, 6 dB noise
margin. Highest carrier used is just over 1.3 MHz. That performance
is right at the top of what can be expected on that length of copper
(or for the last mile ali in our case).

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Cheers
Dave.

In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:06:25 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Mind you all calls carried on the landline aren't that
great either, low level, strange raspy quality, low level hum,
nearly
3 miles of twisted pair cause that.

I talk to my brother land line to landline twice a week. London to
Aberdeen. Bit more than 3 miles of cable. Never had a bad 'line'.

But apart from the two local ends it'll be digits all the way. Must
be 30, maybe 40 years, since all exchanges were connected digitally.

True. But both of us are on copper at the local end. No real idea how far
the run is to the exchange at either of our ends is, though.

Perhaps your local end needs sorting? 3 miles of balanced audio is
nothing. ;-)

Well there can't be much up with it as it supports ADSL2+ to 6 Mbps
down, 1 Mbps up. 46 dB loss down stream, 25 dB loss up, 6 dB noise
margin. Highest carrier used is just over 1.3 MHz. That performance
is right at the top of what can be expected on that length of copper
(or for the last mile ali in our case).

Then can't see why you think it degrades the analogue audio.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jimk wrote:
I "never" use the landline for calls.

I do. And it never ceases to amaze just how bad quality some calls from
mobiles are. Unlike calls from other landlines.

But I'd guess such things don't matter to you. Apart from when you start a
thread moaning about it, of course.


Which thread's that then Duhve?
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On 11/07/2020 16:28, Jimk wrote:
Thinking I'll dump my land line & go 4g at my next renewal of ISP.

I "never" use the landline for calls. But if I wanted to, could I
connect a normal phone to use the interweb kind of like VoIP? If
so how?

(I appreciate it wouldn't work if the 4g internet was down.)

I found the perfect solution for giving my mother a VOIP phone in her
care home. The important fact was that I needed it to still use her DECT
phone as she has dementia.

Draytec Vigor 2862Vac was my solution.
The vigor-2762vac should meet your requirements though.

DECT Base plugs into it's POTS port, 4G dongle (vodafone) into the USB
port, a couple of VoIP accounts and she has free calls to most landlines
and 2p/minute to my mobile and a local Geographic inbound number so all
her elderly chums can still call with or without their local STD code
plus I can access her inbound and outbound call voip logs and have
black-listed all the STD codes at inbound voip account from areas she
shouldn't be getting calls from telesales/scam calls are a thing of the
past.