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IDE Ribbon Cable
I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd
have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Xav |
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xavier wrote:
I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? What do you mean by "two intermediate pin connectors"? -- Grunff |
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"xavier" wrote in message om... I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Xav Are you trying to put three disks on the one cable? Francis |
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I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd
have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Each IDE interface can support 2 drives. Should you need to add another, you need to use a different interface. The majority of motherboards have 2 interfaces integrated on the board, although it is possible to have up to 4, including the new SATA style interfaces, which only well specified modern machines will possess. You need an additional cable and to find the IDE2 (or IDE1, if the first slot is named IDE0) connector on the motherboard. It will almost certainly be directly adjacent to the existing slot, but may already be connected to your CD/DVD drive, with a spare connector dangling around somewhere. Christian. |
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In message , Christian
McArdle writes I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Each IDE interface can support 2 drives. Should you need to add another, you need to use a different interface. The majority of motherboards have 2 interfaces integrated on the board, although it is possible to have up to 4, including the new SATA style interfaces, which only well specified modern machines will possess. Note that if both IDE interface has 2 drives on it - not usual, (though I have it), and if it does you'd probably know what you are doing anyway. But you can fit an additional interface card into a spare PCI slot. -- Chris French, Leeds |
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xavier wrote: I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Buy two and add the connectors to one of them - they're insulation piercing types and simple to do this. -- *If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"xavier" wrote in message om... I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Xav I am not sure what you mean by "two intermediate connectors" - if you mean a ribbon cable with a total of 3 connectors to enable the use of two IDE drives on one channel, then you need something like this from ebuyer http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q27514139 Or, if you prefer a round cable (which improve the airflow in the case and look nice) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O28522139 Dave |
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"Christian McArdle" wrote in message .net...
I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Each IDE interface can support 2 drives. Should you need to add another, you need to use a different interface. The majority of motherboards have 2 interfaces integrated on the board, although it is possible to have up to 4, including the new SATA style interfaces, which only well specified modern machines will possess. You need an additional cable and to find the IDE2 (or IDE1, if the first slot is named IDE0) connector on the motherboard. It will almost certainly be directly adjacent to the existing slot, but may already be connected to your CD/DVD drive, with a spare connector dangling around somewhere. Christian. Aye Christian lad, I think you're right! I didn't know that when I posted but someone emailed me to correct my ways. I'll open it up and look for the other connection. I presume it's one of those 40?pin things Cheers |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 11:47:03 -0700, xavier wrote:
Aye Christian lad, I think you're right! I didn't know that when I posted but someone emailed me to correct my ways. I'll open it up and look for the other connection. I presume it's one of those 40?pin things Yes - there are usually two (sometimes four on posh mobos). Extra info: If your motherboard is newish (say last 2 years) and your disk is newish (ditto) then you might need a different type of cable. The key thing is - if the disk is ATA100 or ATA133 capable (100MHz or 133MHz wire speed) *and* the motherboard can support this - then you must use 80 core cable. It still has 40 pin plugs though. To get the higher speed, every second core is a ground wire and are bonded to a common bus in the "special" plug. You can use 40 core cable but either the drive won't negotiate full bus speed or if it does it will be unreliable. BTW - such cable must be installed the right way round (correct end to motherboard) and hang the disk off the far end, not the middle connector - leaving a free end can get weird problems due to signal reflections. HTH Timbo |
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"Christian McArdle" wrote in message .net...
I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Each IDE interface can support 2 drives. Should you need to add another, you need to use a different interface. The majority of motherboards have 2 interfaces integrated on the board, although it is possible to have up to 4, including the new SATA style interfaces, which only well specified modern machines will possess. You need an additional cable and to find the IDE2 (or IDE1, if the first slot is named IDE0) connector on the motherboard. It will almost certainly be directly adjacent to the existing slot, but may already be connected to your CD/DVD drive, with a spare connector dangling around somewhere. This reminds me - is it possible to obtain what would esssentially be an *extension* IDE cable (ie one with a 'socket' on one end rather than the usual plug)? I have more than once found myself juggling HDs on different PC's while trying to repair them and/or persuade them to boot up and/or transfer data from one HD to another in the absence of networking capability, and it would be useful to be able to temporarily hook up a PC to an HD which is still sitting inside another's case (with a mini case it's not always a trivial matter to physically remove an HD from the case). David |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:12:17 -0700, Lobster wrote:
This reminds me - is it possible to obtain what would esssentially be an *extension* IDE cable (ie one with a 'socket' on one end rather than the usual plug)? Not come across these - but you can get extra long cables. Timbo |
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"Lobster" wrote in message
om... This reminds me - is it possible to obtain what would esssentially be an *extension* IDE cable (ie one with a 'socket' on one end rather than the usual plug)? I've not seen one of these but you can probably get the male 40 way IDC connector from somewhere like Maplin. You could at this to an existing cable. I'd worry about cable length but it is worth a try. -- Brian Reay www.g8osn.org.uk www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk FP#898 |
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In message , xavier
writes I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? I'm assuming this isn't a troll, so ... You can only have two devices on one IDE port I assume you have two IDE ports on your MBD, so you can have a maximum of 4 devices. If you want more you need a car to give you extra IDE ports, which are available from most computer suppliers e.g. RLSupplies (who are who I use) -- geoff |
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In message , xavier
writes "Christian McArdle" wrote in message .net... I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Each IDE interface can support 2 drives. Should you need to add another, you need to use a different interface. The majority of motherboards have 2 interfaces integrated on the board, although it is possible to have up to 4, including the new SATA style interfaces, which only well specified modern machines will possess. You need an additional cable and to find the IDE2 (or IDE1, if the first slot is named IDE0) connector on the motherboard. It will almost certainly be directly adjacent to the existing slot, but may already be connected to your CD/DVD drive, with a spare connector dangling around somewhere. Christian. Aye Christian lad, I think you're right! I didn't know that when I posted but someone emailed me to correct my ways. I'll open it up and look for the other connection. I presume it's one of those 40?pin things Not a troll then There are some controller cards here http://www.rlsupplies.co.uk/Products...DepartmentID=2 56 Cheers -- geoff |
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In message , Lobster
writes "Christian McArdle" wrote in message .net... This reminds me - is it possible to obtain what would esssentially be an *extension* IDE cable (ie one with a 'socket' on one end rather than the usual plug)? I have more than once found myself juggling HDs on different PC's while trying to repair them and/or persuade them to boot up and/or transfer data from one HD to another in the absence of networking capability, and it would be useful to be able to temporarily hook up a PC to an HD which is still sitting inside another's case (with a mini case it's not always a trivial matter to physically remove an HD from the case). There is a length limit, although I forget what it is. Surely, you can buy plugs rather than sockets and the ribbon cable and build your own -- geoff |
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In message , logized
writes "xavier" wrote in message . com... I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Xav I am not sure what you mean by "two intermediate connectors" - if you mean a ribbon cable with a total of 3 connectors to enable the use of two IDE drives on one channel, then you need something like this from ebuyer http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q27514139 Or, if you prefer a round cable (which improve the airflow in the case and look nice) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O28522139 But I want a yellow one ... -- geoff |
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raden wrote:
If you want more you need a car to give you extra IDE ports, which are available from most computer suppliers None of my cars have/had ide ports - what am I missing? What make of car do you have? ;-) -- Grunff |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , logized writes "xavier" wrote in message . com... I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? Xav I am not sure what you mean by "two intermediate connectors" - if you mean a ribbon cable with a total of 3 connectors to enable the use of two IDE drives on one channel, then you need something like this from ebuyer http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q27514139 Or, if you prefer a round cable (which improve the airflow in the case and look nice) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O28522139 But I want a yellow one ... -- geoff Oh, OK then.. http://makeashorterlink.com/?F69016239 Strange, the yellow ones get a better customer review than the blue ones. Dave |
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In message , Tim S
writes On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:12:17 -0700, Lobster wrote: This reminds me - is it possible to obtain what would esssentially be an *extension* IDE cable (ie one with a 'socket' on one end rather than the usual plug)? Not come across these - but you can get extra long cables. Yellow card there - DIY ! -- geoff |
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In message , logized
writes I am not sure what you mean by "two intermediate connectors" - if you mean a ribbon cable with a total of 3 connectors to enable the use of two IDE drives on one channel, then you need something like this from ebuyer http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q27514139 Or, if you prefer a round cable (which improve the airflow in the case and look nice) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O28522139 But I want a yellow one ... -- geoff Oh, OK then.. http://makeashorterlink.com/?F69016239 Strange, the yellow ones get a better customer review than the blue ones. Yeah - just bought 10 of them -- geoff |
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In message , Grunff
writes raden wrote: If you want more you need a car to give you extra IDE ports, which are available from most computer suppliers None of my cars have/had ide ports - what am I missing? You obviously haven't got the right drivers -- geoff |
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raden wrote:
There is a length limit, although I forget what it is. about 19" in theory. You can push it further on slower devices, but may well run into problems on ATA100 and faster (running mode 4 or above) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:46:08 +0000, raden wrote:
In message , Tim S writes On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:12:17 -0700, Lobster wrote: This reminds me - is it possible to obtain what would esssentially be an *extension* IDE cable (ie one with a 'socket' on one end rather than the usual plug)? Not come across these - but you can get extra long cables. Yellow card there - DIY ! Ha! Yes... OK - in that case you can get 40 way IDC on a drum and a bag of connectors. Keep the length under 18" though - I think that's about the recommended maximum. Some people do sell 24" cable but it's risky. Timbo |
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"raden" wrote
| If you want more you need a car to give you extra IDE ports, | None of my cars have/had ide ports - what am I missing? | You obviously haven't got the right drivers And the right kind of driver depends on what sort of bus you have. Owain |
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John Rumm wrote:
raden wrote: There is a length limit, although I forget what it is. about 19" in theory. You can push it further on slower devices, but may well run into problems on ATA100 and faster (running mode 4 or above) You can sometimes get away with slightly longer cables if they are shielded. Haven't seen anything in the ATA specs about shielded cables, but I am using a round 28" ide cable with two ATA133 drives with no apparent problems (very large case and the drives are in an awkward position) - this cable is nicely constructed though with the data lines in shielded cable with an overall grounded shield. The mobo also recognises it as a 80 conductor cable, ISTR that it cost a stupid amount of money though... Lee -- Email address is valid, but is unlikely to be read. |
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Lee wrote:
You can sometimes get away with slightly longer cables if they are shielded. Haven't seen anything in the ATA specs about shielded cables, but I am using a round 28" ide cable with two ATA133 drives with no apparent problems (very large case and the drives are in an awkward I think I have used 34" in the past - but that was probably only ATA66. As with most of these things, what happens in reality will vary on many factors so you may as well try it and see what gives! position) - this cable is nicely constructed though with the data lines in shielded cable with an overall grounded shield. The mobo also recognises it as a 80 conductor cable, ISTR that it cost a stupid amount of money though... The mobo or the cable? The round cables can be had for relatively little these days. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Owain wrote:
"raden" wrote | If you want more you need a car to give you extra IDE ports, | None of my cars have/had ide ports - what am I missing? | You obviously haven't got the right drivers And the right kind of driver depends on what sort of bus you have. And how many conductors in the bus... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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raden writes: There is a length limit, although I forget what it is. Original ATA spec is 46cm. I believe it got shorter with the higher speed modes but I don't have those specs. [Parallel] ATA is very rapidly giving way to SATA now. I saw some figures for two months ago with SATA drive sales almost up to ATA ones, and they will have overtaken by now unless there was a dramatic change in direction of the straight line on the graph. ATA drive sales look like they'll drop to almost zero in less than a year. Was browsing around a computer store in the US two weeks ago, and SATA drives were actually cheaper than equivalent ATA ones (not sure that's true here quite yet). -- Andrew Gabriel |
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In article ,
John Rumm writes: Owain wrote: "raden" wrote | If you want more you need a car to give you extra IDE ports, | None of my cars have/had ide ports - what am I missing? | You obviously haven't got the right drivers And the right kind of driver depends on what sort of bus you have. And how many conductors in the bus... and what charge they can get out of you... -- Andrew Gabriel |
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Lobster wrote:
snip This reminds me - is it possible to obtain what would esssentially be an *extension* IDE cable (ie one with a 'socket' on one end rather than the usual plug)? That's the wrong way to do it, as others have mentioned. http://www.ebuyer.com/ (other vendors of computer equipment are available) have a USB2 - IDE connector. Comes with a little "brick" power supply that you plug into any 5.25" or 3.5" device (CD/HDD/...), plug in to disk or whatever, and then plug into USB2 port (slower on 1.1, but works) |
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raden wrote in message ...
In message , xavier writes I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? I'm assuming this isn't a troll, so ... snip That's a bit unkind isn't it? Just because I'm electronically challenged doesn't mean to say I'm Norwegian. Bet I could give you the run around on Paxillus Panuoides or Donkioporia expansa. Be a little more trusting brother... ) xav |
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In message , John
Rumm writes Lee wrote: You can sometimes get away with slightly longer cables if they are shielded. Haven't seen anything in the ATA specs about shielded cables, but I am using a round 28" ide cable with two ATA133 drives with no apparent problems (very large case and the drives are in an awkward I think I have used 34" in the past - but that was probably only ATA66. As with most of these things, what happens in reality will vary on many factors so you may as well try it and see what gives! position) - this cable is nicely constructed though with the data lines in shielded cable with an overall grounded shield. The mobo also recognises it as a 80 conductor cable, ISTR that it cost a stupid amount of money though... The mobo or the cable? The round cables can be had for relatively little these days. About £1.50 each the last time I bought some -- geoff |
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In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes In article , raden writes: There is a length limit, although I forget what it is. Original ATA spec is 46cm. I believe it got shorter with the higher speed modes but I don't have those specs. [Parallel] ATA is very rapidly giving way to SATA now. I saw some figures for two months ago with SATA drive sales almost up to ATA ones, and they will have overtaken by now unless there was a dramatic change in direction of the straight line on the graph. ATA drive sales look like they'll drop to almost zero in less than a year. Was browsing around a computer store in the US two weeks ago, and SATA drives were actually cheaper than equivalent ATA ones (not sure that's true here quite yet). BTW, beware of Maxtor drives ATM, in a discussion elsewhere, quite a few people are getting failures within the warranty period -- geoff |
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In message , Owain
writes "raden" wrote | If you want more you need a car to give you extra IDE ports, | None of my cars have/had ide ports - what am I missing? | You obviously haven't got the right drivers And the right kind of driver depends on what sort of bus you have. Yellow ones which clog up the data highway -- geoff |
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In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes In article , John Rumm writes: Owain wrote: "raden" wrote | If you want more you need a car to give you extra IDE ports, | None of my cars have/had ide ports - what am I missing? | You obviously haven't got the right drivers And the right kind of driver depends on what sort of bus you have. And how many conductors in the bus... and what charge they can get out of you... That's the ticket -- geoff |
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In message , xavier
writes raden wrote in message ... In message , xavier writes I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? I'm assuming this isn't a troll, so ... snip That's a bit unkind isn't it? Just because I'm electronically challenged doesn't mean to say I'm Norwegian. Bet I could give you the run around on Paxillus Panuoides or Donkioporia expansa. Be a little more trusting brother... I do apologise, but we do get trolling like this IYSWIM from time to time. .... and I did say I'm assuming this ISN'T a troll .... and I did answer your question, didn't I ? -- geoff |
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In article , Lee
wrote: You can sometimes get away with slightly longer cables if they are shielded. The shielding may not be the problem. With any parallel data, long line lengths can give rise to "data skew" where some bits of the byte arrive out of sequence. I don't know how long the cable needs to be to see the effect, but it happens. -- AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk |
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raden wrote in message ...
In message , xavier writes I want to add another hard drive to my machine but this would mean I'd have to use an IDE Ribbon cable with two intermediate pin connectors. I can't find one on the Internet (Maplin, Dabs), does anyone know where I can get one? I'm assuming this isn't a troll, so ... You can only have two devices on one IDE port I assume you have two IDE ports on your MBD, so you can have a maximum of 4 devices. If you want more you need a car to give you extra IDE ports, which are available from most computer suppliers e.g. RLSupplies (who are who I use) Doing a minor hijack on this thread - and that has nothing to do with cars (!) - I've had a continuing computer crash problem that I've cured by moving my hard drive from IDE 0 to IDE 1, having done things like change the cable, etc without success. Any idea why this should clear the problem? Rob |
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John Rumm wrote:
The mobo or the cable? The round cables can be had for relatively little these days. The cable It's about as thick as a quality scart lead I know that round IDE leads can be had cheap these days, but I don't like the quality of the very cheap ones. They don't seem to like being handled much and I've had to replace a few that have failed. Lee -- Email address is valid, but is unlikely to be read. |
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Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:
In article , Lee wrote: You can sometimes get away with slightly longer cables if they are shielded. The shielding may not be the problem. With any parallel data, long line lengths can give rise to "data skew" where some bits of the byte arrive out of sequence. I don't know how long the cable needs to be to see the effect, but it happens. Interesting, I realised the shielding was only effective against noise, but I didn't realise that data skew was such a problem on ide cables. Doing a bit of searching on this topic, it seems there are reports of data skew problems even in some "standard" length cables. Also, given the error correction used in modern systems, this sort of problem may not be obvious. I have noticed a slight difference in benchmarked speed using different length/quality cables, but I've always put it down to coincidence. Maybe there is something more to it... Lee -- Email address is valid, but is unlikely to be read. |
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