In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

In article ,
Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

I'd guess using the tin transfers any bacteria etc on the outside into the
fridge. A clean container less likely to do so.

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On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

I am cautious about leaving the food in the tin, and have several glass
or plastic containers for transfer. I also have some plastic lids called
"Homecare pet food can seal" which I sometimes use. I don't have any
pets, but I don't suppose people would risk their precious mutts and
moggies if it wasn't safe.

--
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On 01/06/2020 12:59, Max Demian wrote:
On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge.Â* I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin.Â* Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution?Â* I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

I am cautious about leaving the food in the tin, and have several glass
or plastic containers for transfer. I also have some plastic lids called
"Homecare pet food can seal" which I sometimes use. I don't have any
pets, but I don't suppose people would risk their precious mutts and
moggies if it wasn't safe.


Even plastic is not 'safe'. The best containers are made by a NZ
company using plastic that is ?BPA-free. On sale everywhere. My
local Sainsburys has them.

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 01/06/2020 12:59, Max Demian wrote:
On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

I am cautious about leaving the food in the tin, and have several glass
or plastic containers for transfer. I also have some plastic lids called
"Homecare pet food can seal" which I sometimes use. I don't have any
pets, but I don't suppose people would risk their precious mutts and
moggies if it wasn't safe.


Even plastic is not 'safe'. The best containers are made by a NZ
company using plastic that is ?BPA-free. On sale everywhere. My
local Sainsburys has them.

The best containers are glass. Trivially buyable.

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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On 02/06/2020 10:40, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 08:48:21 +1000, Jake56 wrote:

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 01/06/2020 12:59, Max Demian wrote:
On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

I am cautious about leaving the food in the tin, and have several
glass or plastic containers for transfer. I also have some plastic
lids called "Homecare pet food can seal" which I sometimes use. I
don't have any pets, but I don't suppose people would risk their
precious mutts and moggies if it wasn't safe.


Even plastic is not 'safe'. The best containers are made by a NZ
company using plastic that is ?BPA-free. On sale everywhere. My local
Sainsburys has them.

The best containers are glass. Trivially buyable.

And with hundreds of years usage under their belts.

Started in 1792 by Jeremy Clarksons great-great-great grandfather,
according to BBC 'who do you think you are'. A later relative
inherited the business and bankrupted it.

We've moved towards using kilner jars for a lot of stuff - getting rid of
the crappy plastic containers which simply don't last.

The design of the sealing mechanism on kilner jars - not wearing out any
flimsy plastic seams and with replaceable seals - is a work of genius.

In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

I am cautious about leaving the food in the tin, and have several glass
or plastic containers for transfer. I also have some plastic lids called
"Homecare pet food can seal" which I sometimes use. I don't have any
pets, but I don't suppose people would risk their precious mutts and
moggies if it wasn't safe.

I suppose if you washed the outside of the can (removing any paper label)
thoroughly before opening it, there would be no more risk of getting
bacteria in your fridge than by using your own container?

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On 01/06/2020 14:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

I am cautious about leaving the food in the tin, and have several glass
or plastic containers for transfer. I also have some plastic lids called
"Homecare pet food can seal" which I sometimes use. I don't have any
pets, but I don't suppose people would risk their precious mutts and
moggies if it wasn't safe.

I suppose if you washed the outside of the can (removing any paper label)
thoroughly before opening it, there would be no more risk of getting
bacteria in your fridge than by using your own container?


I thought everyone was submerging their tins in a hot bleach solution
immediately they get home these days ?.

Food poisoning stats are going to be interesting for the lockdown
period, but the disposable BBQ brigade were busy all along the
South Coast on the W/E. Overpowering pong of lighter fuel and
****, where people have relieved themselves.

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 14:35:24 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

snip

I thought everyone was submerging their tins in a hot bleach solution
immediately they get home these days ?.

Unless we need something immediately, we just leave them in the bag
out of the way till we do (or for a few days then put them in the
cupboard).

Food poisoning stats are going to be interesting for the lockdown
period,

We often only have half a tin of baked beans between us (along with
other stuff etc) and I generally put a plastic top on the tin and put
it in the fridge. The other day I must have had a senior moment and
put it back in the cupboard. The Mrs found it some time (day/s) later
and put it in the fridge. When I went to use it the next day I noticed
a single small patch of mould about the size of a 5p. It removed it
with a spoon, checked the rest as I put them in a microwave pot and
gave then their normal heating. They tasted fine because they were
fine (of course). ;-)

but the disposable BBQ brigade were busy all along the
South Coast on the W/E. Overpowering pong of lighter fuel and
****, where people have relieved themselves.

Is **** flammable then? ;-)

I get the whole having to make do when outside thing (like when
camping / hiking) but not doing it en-masse like that, especially when
lightweight stoves and cookware are available so cheaply (if you
really have to for one day that is).

In the old days, a day out for us somewhere involved a box of mixed
sarnies, pork pies, sausage rolls, some crisps and fruit and the like
and you were grateful for all / any of it. ;-)

I guess the nearest equiv today would be a 'meal deal' bought near
your destination in the car.

Cheers, T i m

On Monday, 1 June 2020 16:45:22 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
In the old days, a day out for us somewhere involved a box of mixed
sarnies, pork pies, sausage rolls, some crisps and fruit and the like
and you were grateful for all / any of it. ;-)

Huh.

I was grateful for a fishpaste sandwich that didn't have too much sand in it.

Owain

On 01/06/2020 12:59, Max Demian wrote:
On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge.Â* I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin.Â* Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution?Â* I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

I am cautious about leaving the food in the tin, and have several glass
or plastic containers for transfer. I also have some plastic lids called
"Homecare pet food can seal" which I sometimes use. I don't have any
pets, but I don't suppose people would risk their precious mutts and
moggies if it wasn't safe.

I have found that the can lasts far longer than the food inside once opened.


--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 01/06/2020 12:59, Max Demian wrote:
On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge.Â* I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin.Â* Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution?Â* I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

I am cautious about leaving the food in the tin, and have several glass
or plastic containers for transfer. I also have some plastic lids called
"Homecare pet food can seal" which I sometimes use. I don't have any
pets, but I don't suppose people would risk their precious mutts and
moggies if it wasn't safe.



Then you have a lot to learn about pets.




--
Adam

It happens that Scott formulated :
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

I/we don't bother, we put the opened tin in the fridge, but covered
with one of those plastic tops that comes from those crisps in a tube
(name?).

Some tins are plastic lined, which prevents the contents attacking the
metal lining. I take care to ensure what ever the lining, that the
lining has not been discoloured whilst stored in the fridge -
pineapples seem worst for this. We limit to storing no longer than
three days.

On Monday, 1 June 2020 15:09:37 UTC+1, wrote:
It happens that Scott formulated :
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

I/we don't bother, we put the opened tin in the fridge, but covered
with one of those plastic tops that comes from those crisps in a tube
(name?).

Pringles.

On 02/06/2020 08:11, harry wrote:
On Monday, 1 June 2020 15:09:37 UTC+1, wrote:
It happens that Scott formulated :
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

I/we don't bother, we put the opened tin in the fridge, but covered
with one of those plastic tops that comes from those crisps in a tube
(name?).

Pringles.

A little too big for the "standard" tin, e.g. baked beans or chopped
tomatoes.

--
Max Demian

In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
On 02/06/2020 08:11, harry wrote:
On Monday, 1 June 2020 15:09:37 UTC+1, wrote:
It happens that Scott formulated :
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

I/we don't bother, we put the opened tin in the fridge, but covered
with one of those plastic tops that comes from those crisps in a tube
(name?).

Pringles.

A little too big for the "standard" tin, e.g. baked beans or chopped
tomatoes.

the plastic lids for dog food were the right size/

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.


I'd like to know how many people are injured by ring-pull food can tops
compared to traditional blank closures.
Especially sardine tins with ring-pulls, what the hell does PHE make of
them? with oil around and strong finger forces required. I used to keep
back a fairly worn-out butterfly can opener for them, that could
negotiate the 4 small radiuses. For traditional tins of tomatoes/beans
etc cut 95% round the lid and bend outwards and use part contents, bend
the lid inwards for stowing in the fridge till next day. Open lid out
with a fork or something, use the remainder and flip the lid back inside
and putting in the waste stream, all perfectly safe.
If a mouse wanted to get into the council waste-stream and cut itself
then tough tittie.

--
Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data
http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 15:21:50 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

I'd like to know how many people are injured by ring-pull food can tops
compared to traditional blank closures.

Years ago we were using Felix tinned cat food. They had a competition
going where, if you won, a prize was printed on the inside of the lid.

One day I got all excited because I'd won a plastic fork. Trying to
straighten the lid, I cut my thumb badly. I had to get a friend to drive
me to hospital as I couldn't stop it bleeding without actually holding
it. I think it was four or five stitches; I still have a scar.

The nurse was mightily amused, but not as much as the one who was there
when I told the consultant I'd snapped the tendon in my pinkie while
picking my nose.



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On 2020-06-01, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 15:21:50 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

I'd like to know how many people are injured by ring-pull food can tops
compared to traditional blank closures.

Years ago we were using Felix tinned cat food. They had a competition
going where, if you won, a prize was printed on the inside of the lid.

One day I got all excited because I'd won a plastic fork. Trying to
straighten the lid, I cut my thumb badly. I had to get a friend to drive
me to hospital as I couldn't stop it bleeding without actually holding
it. I think it was four or five stitches; I still have a scar.

The nurse was mightily amused, but not as much as the one who was there
when I told the consultant I'd snapped the tendon in my pinkie while
picking my nose.

That's some tough snot!

On 01/06/2020 15:21, N_Cook wrote:

snipped

I'd like to know how many people are injured by ring-pull food can tops
compared to traditional blank closures.

This is why you should always buy fish in a tomato sauce, that way the
blood doesn't show.

--
Cheers
Clive

On 02/06/2020 16:31, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 01/06/2020 15:21, N_Cook wrote:

snipped

I'd like to know how many people are injured by ring-pull food can
tops compared to traditional blank closures.

This is why you should always buy fish in a tomato sauce, that way the
blood doesn't show.


Glenryck pilchards.

Used to feed the cat on them when I was a kid because they were
cheap.

Now not so cheap, but I eat them now with a salad or on toast.

On 01/06/2020 15:34, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 15:21:50 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think you
could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told to
transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top not
were the food is.


I'd like to know how many people are injured by ring-pull food can tops
compared to traditional blank closures.
Especially sardine tins with ring-pulls, what the hell does PHE make of
them? with oil around and strong finger forces required. I used to keep
back a fairly worn-out butterfly can opener for them, that could
negotiate the 4 small radiuses. For traditional tins of tomatoes/beans
etc cut 95% round the lid and bend outwards and use part contents, bend
the lid inwards for stowing in the fridge till next day. Open lid out
with a fork or something, use the remainder and flip the lid back inside
and putting in the waste stream, all perfectly safe.
If a mouse wanted to get into the council waste-stream and cut itself
then tough tittie.

Funny, I like fish, but get very nervy (guaranteed to make things worse)
opening some tins. Bearing in mind the need to keep the tin fairly level
or you end up spraying fishy-smelling oil/brine everywhere.

There's a brand of tinned "brisling sardine" (aka "sprat" ) from a
company "RIGA" that has a plastic pull off lid that reveals the (hand)
packed fish inside.


As part of the sardine tin filling process seems to be cram in the
sardines and then over-fill with oil, does in deed mean the tin needs to
be absolutely level while opening. Even so oily fingers seems inevitable
with ring-pull device. Butterfly openers of course keep any fingers well
away from those sharp edges and no finger forces involved.
Of course the ring-pull closures are incompatible with butterfly
openers, or at least when ever I've tried this more safety-conscious
opening route.

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http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm

N_Cook wrote on 01/06/2020 :
Of course the ring-pull closures are incompatible with butterfly openers, or
at least when ever I've tried this more safety-conscious opening route.

If they are tough, I sometimes use a wooden spoon handle through the
ring, so I can pull with my hand, rather than a finger.

On 01/06/2020 19:29, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
N_Cook wrote on 01/06/2020 :
Of course the ring-pull closures are incompatible with butterfly
openers, or at least when ever I've tried this more safety-conscious
opening route.

If they are tough, I sometimes use a wooden spoon handle through the
ring, so I can pull with my hand, rather than a finger.

Its not so much the ringpull as being the problem as the reaction force
of the other hand holding the rim of the tin down ,with fingers only a
few mm away from a very sharpedge, all ok if no oil around and the can
does not slip out of tour grip and then a horrible slicing action of
that edge

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http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm

I just made up a clip to go over the rim of the end of sardine cans,
ringpull end. Stainless steel strip , ex-rear blanking/closure for
desktop pc expansion card slots. Hammered over a return at one end, to
locate over the can rim and then a bend to be able to hold down the can
onto a table surface, with fingers well away from any of the sharp
edges. I'll give it a test drive this evening.


--
Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data
http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm

On 2020-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 15:21:50 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

On 01/06/2020 10:23, Scott wrote:
In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think you
could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told to
transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top not
were the food is.


I'd like to know how many people are injured by ring-pull food can tops
compared to traditional blank closures.
Especially sardine tins with ring-pulls, what the hell does PHE make of
them? with oil around and strong finger forces required. I used to keep
back a fairly worn-out butterfly can opener for them, that could
negotiate the 4 small radiuses. For traditional tins of tomatoes/beans
etc cut 95% round the lid and bend outwards and use part contents, bend
the lid inwards for stowing in the fridge till next day. Open lid out
with a fork or something, use the remainder and flip the lid back inside
and putting in the waste stream, all perfectly safe.
If a mouse wanted to get into the council waste-stream and cut itself
then tough tittie.

Funny, I like fish, but get very nervy (guaranteed to make things worse)
opening some tins. Bearing in mind the need to keep the tin fairly level
or you end up spraying fishy-smelling oil/brine everywhere.

Same here -- I'm more concerned about the mess than injury.


There's a brand of tinned "brisling sardine" (aka "sprat" ) from a
company "RIGA" that has a plastic pull off lid that reveals the (hand)
packed fish inside.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 17:43:04 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 15:21:50 +0100, N_Cook wrote:


I'd like to know how many people are injured by ring-pull food can tops
compared to traditional blank closures.

If you have arthritis in your finger joints, it can be very painful to
try and open a ring-pull can.

The Mrs suffers from that sometimes (depending on the lid).

I have a thing that looks a bit like an
enormous fish-hook, without the barb, for levering them open. I got it
originally for my wife to use, because with her Parkinson's she didn't
have enough strength in her hands to open a ring-pull can directly,
but I use it now. One of these https://tinyurl.com/y85gdq8k

I'm going to get the 3D printer out tomorrow (anyway) and something
like that might be handy. ;-)

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2532454

I am lucky to have fairly good / strong fingers (open beer cans one
handed etc) but you do get the odd tough one, although I usually also
have the Leatherman on me so ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

"Scott" wrote in message ...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

In the old days there were no fridges LOL

On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott"Â* wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge.Â* I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin.Â* Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution?Â* I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

Â*In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the
the unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had
reacted with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

On 02/06/2020 00:18, ss wrote:
On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the
the unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had
reacted with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

And lived to tell the tale.
No need then of "petting zoos" and the like to offset ultra-sterile
modern living conditions. Hormesis:- a little of what does you harm,
does you good.



--
Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data
http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm

On 02/06/2020 09:00, N_Cook wrote:
On 02/06/2020 00:18, ss wrote:
On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott"Â* wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge.Â* I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin.Â* Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution?Â* I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

Â* In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the
the unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had
reacted with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

And lived to tell the tale.
No need then of "petting zoos" and the like to offset ultra-sterile
modern living conditions. Hormesis:- a little of what does you harm,
does you good.


Well in fact they didn't call it food poisoning then, they called it
diarrhoea. Or cholera. Or gastric flu. And everyone had it once or twice
a month. Until refrigerators turned up. And babies died of it.

If you visit places like Mexico or Africa it's the same. You will get
the squits. Badly. Again and again.

And babies die of it over there all the time, in droves. Infant
diarrhoea. Biggest killer outside in et real world.

Herd immunity my arse.

There are people who can remember what it was like before vaccines and
antibiotics and chlorinated water and refrigerators, and there are
people who think it was wonderful.

The first thing a Soweto mum buys when she steals electricity from a
nearby pole, is a refrigerator.
(The second is a TV)




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But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 00:18:56 +0100, ss wrote:

On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott"* wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge.* I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin.* Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution?* I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

*In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the
the unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had
reacted with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

I still follow that approach with yoghurt. I always check the lid
first..

"ss" wrote in message ...

On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the
the unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had
reacted with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

====

it was indeed!

On 2020-06-01, ss wrote:

On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott"Â* wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge.Â* I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin.Â* Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution?Â* I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

Â*In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the
the unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had
reacted with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

We were told several times in school in the 1970s that bulging tins
could have botulism & should be thrown away unopened. (I've never
seen one.)

On 02/06/2020 00:18, ss wrote:
On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott"Â* wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge.Â* I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin.Â* Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution?Â* I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

Â*Â*In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the
the unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had
reacted with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

No soshal media and never reported in the local papers, I suspect.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message ...

On 02 Jun 2020 at 00:18:56 BST, ss wrote:

On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the the
unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had reacted
with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

We had no fridge, just a larder with, nominally, a wire grid over the
(small)
outside window to keep insects out. Of course it didn't and for some reason
the idea of covering food didn't occur to people. As a result, I have no
recollection of getting any of the usual childhood illnesses (e.g. measles),
but I do recall during the first 10 years of life a regular occurrence of
vomitting. Probably due to very poor food hygiene.

Tim

===

Just the same for my family

On 02/06/2020 19:26, Ophelia wrote:


"Tim Streater"Â* wrote in message ...

On 02 Jun 2020 at 00:18:56 BST, ss wrote:

On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott"Â* wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge.Â* I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin.Â* Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution?Â* I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

Â*In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the
the unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had
reacted with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

We had no fridge, just a larder with, nominally, a wire grid over the
(small)
outside window to keep insects out. Of course it didn't and for some reason
the idea of covering food didn't occur to people. As a result, I have no
recollection of getting any of the usual childhood illnesses (e.g.
measles),
but I do recall during the first 10 years of life a regular occurrence of
vomitting. Probably due to very poor food hygiene.

Tim

===

Â* Just the same for my family



when I started in building control on 1974 we had to ask for larder
vents in new houses or a north facing window ....and a daylighting
window in a kitchen ....sounds so old fashioned these days....

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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ...

On 02/06/2020 19:26, Ophelia wrote:


"Tim Streater" wrote in message ...

On 02 Jun 2020 at 00:18:56 BST, ss wrote:

On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the the
unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had reacted
with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

We had no fridge, just a larder with, nominally, a wire grid over the
(small)
outside window to keep insects out. Of course it didn't and for some
reason
the idea of covering food didn't occur to people. As a result, I have no
recollection of getting any of the usual childhood illnesses (e.g.
measles),
but I do recall during the first 10 years of life a regular occurrence of
vomitting. Probably due to very poor food hygiene.

Tim

===

Just the same for my family



when I started in building control on 1974 we had to ask for larder
vents in new houses or a north facing window ....and a daylighting
window in a kitchen ....sounds so old fashioned these days....

===

Sound just the same as my family's house.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 19:26:43 +0100, "Ophelia"
wrote:



"Tim Streater" wrote in message ...

On 02 Jun 2020 at 00:18:56 BST, ss wrote:

On 01/06/2020 20:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
...

In the old days we used to keep opened tins in the fridge. I think
you could even buy a plastic lid to fit on the tin. Now we are told
to transfer the contents to another container.

Has the construction of tins changed, or is this another example of
excess caution? I have never known a tin to start rusting in the
timescale involved and even if it did, the rust would be at the top
not were the food is.

===

In the old days there were no fridges LOL


Back then 60s when we didnt have best befores etc the test was if the the
unopened top of a can had `blown` (buldging) then the food had reacted
with the metal, producing gas and was therefore off.
back then we were not so clinical with cooked/uncooked meats blocks of
cheese, no plastic gloves etc and never heard of food poisoning.

We had no fridge, just a larder with, nominally, a wire grid over the
(small)
outside window to keep insects out. Of course it didn't and for some reason
the idea of covering food didn't occur to people. As a result, I have no
recollection of getting any of the usual childhood illnesses (e.g. measles),
but I do recall during the first 10 years of life a regular occurrence of
vomitting. Probably due to very poor food hygiene.

Don't bring that up again.