I currently have a shallow depth single gang box. If possible, I'd like
to avoid the mess of knocking a hole in the wall to extend this to make
it into a twin (rather than double) gang box. So what are the options ?
I see that Toolstation have a twin pattress
(https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-pattress-box/p71672) which could do
the job, are there any other options ?. The sockets would be used for
data rather than power feeds.

Adrian
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On 28/04/2020 11:57, Adrian wrote:

I currently have a shallow depth single gang box.Â* If possible, I'd like
to avoid the mess of knocking a hole in the wall to extend this to make
it into a twin (rather than double) gang box.

What is a a twin that isn't double?

So what are the options ?
I see that Toolstation have a twin pattress
(https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-pattress-box/p71672) which could do
the job, are there any other options ?.Â* The sockets would be used for
data rather than power feeds.

Plenty of single socket sized double RJ45 sockets around

Adrian


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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:57:53 +0100, Adrian wrote:


I currently have a shallow depth single gang box. If possible, I'd like
to avoid the mess of knocking a hole in the wall to extend this to make
it into a twin (rather than double) gang box. So what are the options ?
I see that Toolstation have a twin pattress
(https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-pattress-box/p71672) which could do
the job, are there any other options ?. The sockets would be used for
data rather than power feeds.

What about something like this:
https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/electri...CKmkQA vD_BwE

On 28/04/2020 12:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/04/2020 11:57, Adrian wrote:

I currently have a shallow depth single gang box.Â* If possible, I'd
like to avoid the mess of knocking a hole in the wall to extend this
to make it into a twin (rather than double) gang box.

What is a a twin that isn't double?


A pattress that takes two separate single outlets side by side
as opposed to a back box that takes a single double socket.

So what are the options ? I see that Toolstation have a twin pattress
(https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-pattress-box/p71672) which could do
the job, are there any other options ?.Â* The sockets would be used for
data rather than power feeds.

Plenty of single socket sized double RJ45 sockets around

Adrian

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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:57:53 +0100, Adrian wrote:


I currently have a shallow depth single gang box. If possible, I'd like
to avoid the mess of knocking a hole in the wall to extend this to make
it into a twin (rather than double) gang box. So what are the options ?
I see that Toolstation have a twin pattress
(https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-pattress-box/p71672) which could do
the job, are there any other options ?. The sockets would be used for
data rather than power feeds.

What about something like this:
https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/electri...es-stubs/back-
boxes/3267-single-1-gang-wall-socket-to-double-wall-gang-socket-converte
r-003267-5055383432677.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwqJ_1BRBZEiwAv73uw Fw4NwOgWx-jHk
dp74Q15LeYILyyWyLc98LjwS8rvq13nlUpL57idhoCKmkQAvD _BwE

Thanks.

That sort of thing would be ideal, but that converts to a double, not a
twin.

Adrian
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:22:10 +0100, Adrian wrote:

In message , Scott
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:57:53 +0100, Adrian wrote:


I currently have a shallow depth single gang box. If possible, I'd like
to avoid the mess of knocking a hole in the wall to extend this to make
it into a twin (rather than double) gang box. So what are the options ?
I see that Toolstation have a twin pattress
(https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-pattress-box/p71672) which could do
the job, are there any other options ?. The sockets would be used for
data rather than power feeds.

What about something like this:
https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/electri...es-stubs/back-
boxes/3267-single-1-gang-wall-socket-to-double-wall-gang-socket-converte
r-003267-5055383432677.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwqJ_1BRBZEiwAv73uw Fw4NwOgWx-jHk
dp74Q15LeYILyyWyLc98LjwS8rvq13nlUpL57idhoCKmkQAv D_BwE

Thanks.

That sort of thing would be ideal, but that converts to a double, not a
twin.

Could you not then source a double socket that would meet your
proposes?

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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:22:10 +0100, Adrian wrote:

In message , Scott
writes
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:57:53 +0100, Adrian wrote:


I currently have a shallow depth single gang box. If possible, I'd like
to avoid the mess of knocking a hole in the wall to extend this to make
it into a twin (rather than double) gang box. So what are the options ?
I see that Toolstation have a twin pattress
(https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-pattress-box/p71672) which could do
the job, are there any other options ?. The sockets would be used for
data rather than power feeds.

What about something like this:
https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/electri...es-stubs/back-
boxes/3267-single-1-gang-wall-socket-to-double-wall-gang-socket-converte
r-003267-5055383432677.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwqJ_1BRBZEiwAv73uw Fw4NwOgWx-jHk
dp74Q15LeYILyyWyLc98LjwS8rvq13nlUpL57idhoCKmkQA vD_BwE

Thanks.

That sort of thing would be ideal, but that converts to a double, not a
twin.

Could you not then source a double socket that would meet your
proposes?

Double socket, I very much doubt. However, prompted by TNP's comment, I
think I might be able to get away with a single gang module plate (e.g.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-1-gan...le-module-aper
ture-white/42092), and put two modules into it, it would require a stand
off to increase the depth, but that shouldn't be a problem.

Adrian
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On Tuesday, 28 April 2020 13:55:26 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
Double socket, I very much doubt. However, prompted by TNP's comment, I
think I might be able to get away with a single gang module plate (e.g.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-1-gan...le-module-aper
ture-white/42092), and put two modules into it, it would require a stand
off to increase the depth, but that shouldn't be a problem.

They're not modular but I've got 4 x Cat5 sockets on a *single* faceplate in the lounge. Probably from Ebay. It is a tight fit and you'd probably need a stand off / extender.

Means I can patch 16 pairs to the Display Cabinette from the PABX for phone lines:-)

Owain

On Tuesday, 28 April 2020 13:55:26 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
Double socket, I very much doubt. However, prompted by TNP's comment, I
think I might be able to get away with a single gang module plate (e.g.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-1-gan...le-module-aper
ture-white/42092), and put two modules into it, it would require a stand
off to increase the depth, but that shouldn't be a problem.

Also if you are only using 10/100 Mbps Ethernet, that only uses 2 pairs out of four, so you can use a single data outlet and cable and splitters each end.

Gigabit Ethernet, or Power over Ethernet, will need all 4 pairs per point.

Owain

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Also if you are only using 10/100 Mbps Ethernet, that only uses 2 pairs
out of four, so you can use a single data outlet and cable and
splitters each end.

Gigabit Ethernet, or Power over Ethernet, will need all 4 pairs per point.


Switches at either end of the proposed link will be Gigabit, but I'm not
using PoE. I doubt that the data load on that bit of the network will
be high (1 x Pi + webcam, 1 printer), so a single outlet into a 5 port
switch (which I happen to have lying around) ought to be OK.

Adrian
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Adrian wrote:
Double socket, I very much doubt. However, prompted by TNP's comment, I
think I might be able to get away with a single gang module plate (e.g.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-1-gan...le-module-aper
ture-white/42092), and put two modules into it, it would require a stand
off to increase the depth, but that shouldn't be a problem.

Modular units tend to be quite wasteful of space. You could likely make up
one from a blank plate using chassis mount sockets to a greater packing
density.

To cut down on filing, quite a few data outlets etc are available in XLR
bodies, which only need a hole cut. You can squeeze 4 on a one gang plate.

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On Tuesday, 28 April 2020 13:25:25 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
In message , Scott
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:57:53 +0100, Adrian wrote:


I currently have a shallow depth single gang box. If possible, I'd like
to avoid the mess of knocking a hole in the wall to extend this to make
it into a twin (rather than double) gang box. So what are the options ?
I see that Toolstation have a twin pattress
(https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-pattress-box/p71672) which could do
the job, are there any other options ?. The sockets would be used for
data rather than power feeds.

What about something like this:
https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/electri...es-stubs/back-
boxes/3267-single-1-gang-wall-socket-to-double-wall-gang-socket-converte
r-003267-5055383432677.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwqJ_1BRBZEiwAv73uw Fw4NwOgWx-jHk
dp74Q15LeYILyyWyLc98LjwS8rvq13nlUpL57idhoCKmkQAvD _BwE

Thanks.

That sort of thing would be ideal, but that converts to a double, not a
twin.

Adrian

There are 2 ways to do it.
1. Sink a metal backbox
2. Mount a surface box.
There really isn't any other option.

If using a surface box, a straightforward twin surface box is more sensible than a convertor box. There is no advantage to the convertor type other than not needing to drill 2 fixing holes, and assorted downsides.


NT

On 28/04/2020 12:33, Andrew wrote:
On 28/04/2020 12:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/04/2020 11:57, Adrian wrote:

I currently have a shallow depth single gang box.Â* If possible, I'd
like to avoid the mess of knocking a hole in the wall to extend this
to make it into a twin (rather than double) gang box.

What is a a twin that isn't double?


A pattress that takes two separate single outlets side by side
as opposed to a back box that takes a single double socket.

And a twin is a bit wider than a double....




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