For example this 3mm HSS cobalt, 98mm long. Couldn't find a 4mm that length at all!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351783054078

Surely plenty folk need to drill a hole through something thick before putting a screw right through and into the wood behind?

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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:36:10 -0000, Thomas wrote:

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about 60mm. Useless for almost every task.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:01:14 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/6/2020 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote:
98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

Depends on size, thinner are shorter. You can find a few 18" ones here
https://www.mcmaster.com/extra-long-drill-bits

I've found plenty really long masonry bits that are 10mm thick or more, but thinner ones, like you'd use for pilot holes for screws, are always way too short.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:01:14 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/6/2020 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote:
98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

Depends on size, thinner are shorter. You can find a few 18" ones here
https://www.mcmaster.com/extra-long-drill-bits

Ah, the phrase "extra long" seems find them. Sometimes search engines are so pernickety.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:08:24 -0000, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article , says...

On 2/6/2020 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote:
98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

Depends on size, thinner are shorter. You can find a few 18" ones here
https://www.mcmaster.com/extra-long-drill-bits




Just getting into this, at work we had some 1/8 inch bits and a few
other sizes up to about 1/2 inch that were about a foot long, some 1/4
and 5/16 inch bits that were about 5 feet long.

I bet those snapped easily.

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:08:24 -0000, Ralph Mowery
wrote:
In article , says...

On 2/6/2020 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote:
98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

Depends on size, thinner are shorter. You can find a few 18" ones
here https://www.mcmaster.com/extra-long-drill-bits




Just getting into this, at work we had some 1/8 inch bits and a few
other sizes up to about 1/2 inch that were about a foot long, some
1/4 and 5/16 inch bits that were about 5 feet long.

I bet those snapped easily.

Prick.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:28:45 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:08:24 -0000, Ralph Mowery
wrote:
In article , says...

On 2/6/2020 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote:
98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

Depends on size, thinner are shorter. You can find a few 18" ones
here https://www.mcmaster.com/extra-long-drill-bits




Just getting into this, at work we had some 1/8 inch bits and a few
other sizes up to about 1/2 inch that were about a foot long, some
1/4 and 5/16 inch bits that were about 5 feet long.

I bet those snapped easily.

Prick.

Worthless **** who never contributes anything to a conversation.

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about 60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

On 06/02/2020 15:13:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
For example this 3mm HSS cobalt, 98mm long.* Couldn't find a 4mm that
length at all!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351783054078

Surely plenty folk need to drill a hole through something thick

I can imagine you to be the sort to have already given yourself a
frontal lobotomy.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:08:28 -0000, Fredxx wrote:

On 06/02/2020 15:13:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
For example this 3mm HSS cobalt, 98mm long. Couldn't find a 4mm that
length at all!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351783054078

Surely plenty folk need to drill a hole through something thick

I can imagine you to be the sort to have already given yourself a
frontal lobotomy.

Grow up.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:39:07 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about 60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

I'll give you an example, I'm trying to drill through a conservatory framework (which is 60mm thick) to put a bolt through it to go into the wall. I need 60mm for the cobalt drill to make the hole, plus some extra length as the drill chuck can't get right up against the framework (due to the window framing). And even longer when I want to get into the wall with the masonry bit, having gone through the frame.

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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:39:07 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about 60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

I'll give you an example, I'm trying to drill through a conservatory
framework (which is 60mm thick) to put a bolt through it to go into the
wall. I need 60mm for the cobalt drill to make the hole, plus some extra
length as the drill chuck can't get right up against the framework (due to
the window framing). And even longer when I want to get into the wall
with the masonry bit, having gone through the frame.

That can certainly happen, but to claim that 60mm long
drills are useless for almost every task is completely silly
and just another pathetic excuse for a troll.

And longer ones are trivially available anyway.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:38:40 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:39:07 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about 60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

I'll give you an example, I'm trying to drill through a conservatory
framework (which is 60mm thick) to put a bolt through it to go into the
wall. I need 60mm for the cobalt drill to make the hole, plus some extra
length as the drill chuck can't get right up against the framework (due to
the window framing). And even longer when I want to get into the wall
with the masonry bit, having gone through the frame.

That can certainly happen, but to claim that 60mm long
drills are useless for almost every task is completely silly
and just another pathetic excuse for a troll.

Depends what work you do, I always find myself needing to drill a long distance.

And longer ones are trivially available anyway.

Not when I searched for them. I typed long cobalt drill bit into Ebay and it came up with very few options.

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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:39:07 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about 60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

I'll give you an example, I'm trying to drill through a conservatory
framework (which is 60mm thick) to put a bolt through it to go into the
wall. I need 60mm for the cobalt drill to make the hole, plus some
extra
length as the drill chuck can't get right up against the framework (due
to
the window framing). And even longer when I want to get into the wall
with the masonry bit, having gone through the frame.

That can certainly happen, but to claim that 60mm long
drills are useless for almost every task is completely silly
and just another pathetic excuse for a troll.

Depends what work you do,

Not with your original stupid claim about almost every task.

If that was true, there were be no market for the 60mm long ones.

I always find myself needing to drill a long distance.

Bull**** you do.

And longer ones are trivially available anyway.

Not when I searched for them.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

I typed long cobalt drill bit into Ebay and it came up with very few
options.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:54:45 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:38:40 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:39:07 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about 60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

I'll give you an example, I'm trying to drill through a conservatory
framework (which is 60mm thick) to put a bolt through it to go into the
wall. I need 60mm for the cobalt drill to make the hole, plus some
extra
length as the drill chuck can't get right up against the framework (due
to
the window framing). And even longer when I want to get into the wall
with the masonry bit, having gone through the frame.

That can certainly happen, but to claim that 60mm long
drills are useless for almost every task is completely silly
and just another pathetic excuse for a troll.

Depends what work you do,

Not with your original stupid claim about almost every task.

Do you have OCD? Stop taking things so literally.

If that was true, there were be no market for the 60mm long ones.

They sell because it's the only length you can get!

I always find myself needing to drill a long distance.

Bull**** you do.

It is not bull****. You have no idea what I do.

And longer ones are trivially available anyway.

Not when I searched for them.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

I typed long cobalt drill bit into Ebay and it came up with very few
options.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

What's wrong with typing "long cobalt drill bit" when you want a long cobalt drill bit?

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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:38:40 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:39:07 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about
60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

I'll give you an example, I'm trying to drill through a conservatory
framework (which is 60mm thick) to put a bolt through it to go into
the
wall. I need 60mm for the cobalt drill to make the hole, plus some
extra
length as the drill chuck can't get right up against the framework
(due
to
the window framing). And even longer when I want to get into the wall
with the masonry bit, having gone through the frame.

That can certainly happen, but to claim that 60mm long
drills are useless for almost every task is completely silly
and just another pathetic excuse for a troll.

Depends what work you do,

Not with your original stupid claim about almost every task.

Do you have OCD?

Nope.

Stop taking things so literally.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

If that was true, there were be no market for the 60mm long ones.

They sell because it's the only length you can get!

That's another pig ignorant lie.

I always find myself needing to drill a long distance.

Bull**** you do.

It is not bull****. You have no idea what I do.

I know that there are **** all situations
where a 60mm drill isnt plenty long enough.

And longer ones are trivially available anyway.

Not when I searched for them.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

I typed long cobalt drill bit into Ebay and it came up with very few
options.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

What's wrong with typing "long cobalt drill bit" when you want a long
cobalt drill bit?

It doesn't find the drills that are longer than 60mm, stupid.

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:38:40 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:39:07 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about
60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

I'll give you an example, I'm trying to drill through a conservatory
framework (which is 60mm thick) to put a bolt through it to go into
the
wall. I need 60mm for the cobalt drill to make the hole, plus some
extra
length as the drill chuck can't get right up against the framework
(due
to
the window framing). And even longer when I want to get into the wall
with the masonry bit, having gone through the frame.

That can certainly happen, but to claim that 60mm long
drills are useless for almost every task is completely silly
and just another pathetic excuse for a troll.

Depends what work you do,

Not with your original stupid claim about almost every task.

Do you have OCD?

Nope.

Stop taking things so literally.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

Then why did you take my words too literally if you don't have OCD?

If that was true, there were be no market for the 60mm long ones.

They sell because it's the only length you can get!

That's another pig ignorant lie.

It's damn hard to find long ones.

I always find myself needing to drill a long distance.

Bull**** you do.

It is not bull****. You have no idea what I do.

I know that there are **** all situations
where a 60mm drill isnt plenty long enough.

Depends what you do with them.

And longer ones are trivially available anyway.

Not when I searched for them.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

I typed long cobalt drill bit into Ebay and it came up with very few
options.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

What's wrong with typing "long cobalt drill bit" when you want a long
cobalt drill bit?

It doesn't find the drills that are longer than 60mm, stupid.

The word "long" should give the search engine a clue.

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:39:07 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about
60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

I'll give you an example, I'm trying to drill through a conservatory
framework (which is 60mm thick) to put a bolt through it to go into
the
wall. I need 60mm for the cobalt drill to make the hole, plus some
extra
length as the drill chuck can't get right up against the framework
(due
to
the window framing). And even longer when I want to get into the
wall
with the masonry bit, having gone through the frame.

That can certainly happen, but to claim that 60mm long
drills are useless for almost every task is completely silly
and just another pathetic excuse for a troll.

Depends what work you do,

Not with your original stupid claim about almost every task.

Do you have OCD?

Nope.

Stop taking things so literally.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

Then why did you take my words too literally

I didn't.

if you don't have OCD?

I don't.

If that was true, there were be no market for the 60mm long ones.

They sell because it's the only length you can get!

That's another pig ignorant lie.

It's damn hard to find long ones.

Only if you are as stupid as you.

I always find myself needing to drill a long distance.

Bull**** you do.

It is not bull****. You have no idea what I do.

I know that there are **** all situations
where a 60mm drill isnt plenty long enough.

Depends what you do with them.

**** all need drills longer than that very often.

And longer ones are trivially available anyway.

Not when I searched for them.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

I typed long cobalt drill bit into Ebay and it came up with very few
options.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

What's wrong with typing "long cobalt drill bit" when you want a long
cobalt drill bit?

It doesn't find the drills that are longer than 60mm, stupid.

The word "long" should give the search engine a clue.

It clearly doesn't with ebay, stupid. That uses the words that
the seller chooses to put in the header or the body if you tell
it to search in the body of the ad too.

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:39:07 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about
60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

I'll give you an example, I'm trying to drill through a conservatory
framework (which is 60mm thick) to put a bolt through it to go into
the
wall. I need 60mm for the cobalt drill to make the hole, plus some
extra
length as the drill chuck can't get right up against the framework
(due
to
the window framing). And even longer when I want to get into the
wall
with the masonry bit, having gone through the frame.

That can certainly happen, but to claim that 60mm long
drills are useless for almost every task is completely silly
and just another pathetic excuse for a troll.

Depends what work you do,

Not with your original stupid claim about almost every task.

Do you have OCD?

Nope.

Stop taking things so literally.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

Then why did you take my words too literally

I didn't.

You assumed "almost every task" meant "almost every task".

if you don't have OCD?

I don't.

You assumed "almost every task" meant "almost every task".

If that was true, there were be no market for the 60mm long ones.

They sell because it's the only length you can get!

That's another pig ignorant lie.

It's damn hard to find long ones.

Only if you are as stupid as you.

The Ebay search engine failed to realise that by long I meant long.

I always find myself needing to drill a long distance.

Bull**** you do.

It is not bull****. You have no idea what I do.

I know that there are **** all situations
where a 60mm drill isnt plenty long enough.

Depends what you do with them.

**** all need drills longer than that very often.

I do.

And longer ones are trivially available anyway.

Not when I searched for them.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

I typed long cobalt drill bit into Ebay and it came up with very few
options.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

What's wrong with typing "long cobalt drill bit" when you want a long
cobalt drill bit?

It doesn't find the drills that are longer than 60mm, stupid.

The word "long" should give the search engine a clue.

It clearly doesn't with ebay, stupid. That uses the words that
the seller chooses to put in the header or the body if you tell
it to search in the body of the ad too.

Anybody selling a long drill bit must surely put long in the title.

On 06/02/2020 15:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
For example this 3mm HSS cobalt, 98mm long.* Couldn't find a 4mm that
length at all!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351783054078

Surely plenty folk need to drill a hole through something thick before
putting a screw right through and into the wood behind?

I googled long HSS and found lots. Bought some. Very very useful.

Bill

On 06/02/2020 22:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Not when I searched for them.* I typed long cobalt drill bit into Ebay
and it came up with very few options.

Bad googling technique.

Bill

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 00:46:03 -0000, Rod Speed
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:54:45 -0000, Rod Speed

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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:38:40 -0000, Rod Speed

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:39:07 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Thomas wrote

98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

The standard length for a 4mm width drill bit tends to be about
60mm.

Useless for almost every task.

Never found one that long useless for what I was doing
and I drilled a hell of a lot when building the house myself.
mostly for bolting the oregon facia boards onto the steel
vertical angle iron that I had welded to the steel roof beams.
Bolted on with gutter bolts.

I'll give you an example, I'm trying to drill through a
conservatory
framework (which is 60mm thick) to put a bolt through it to go
into
the
wall. I need 60mm for the cobalt drill to make the hole, plus
some
extra
length as the drill chuck can't get right up against the framework
(due
to
the window framing). And even longer when I want to get into the
wall
with the masonry bit, having gone through the frame.

That can certainly happen, but to claim that 60mm long
drills are useless for almost every task is completely silly
and just another pathetic excuse for a troll.

Depends what work you do,

Not with your original stupid claim about almost every task.

Do you have OCD?

Nope.

Stop taking things so literally.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

Then why did you take my words too literally

I didn't.

You assumed "almost every task" meant "almost every task".

I did nothing of the kind.

if you don't have OCD?

I don't.

You assumed "almost every task" meant "almost every task".

I did nothing of the kind.

If that was true, there were be no market for the 60mm long ones.

They sell because it's the only length you can get!

That's another pig ignorant lie.

It's damn hard to find long ones.

Only if you are as stupid as you.

The Ebay search engine failed to realise that by long I meant long.

The ebay search engine ONLY check for what
words the seller has chosen to include in the
header or body if you tell it to search the body too.

It doesn't 'realise' anything and you are so
stupid that you havent even worked that out.

I always find myself needing to drill a long distance.

Bull**** you do.

It is not bull****. You have no idea what I do.

I know that there are **** all situations
where a 60mm drill isnt plenty long enough.

Depends what you do with them.

**** all need drills longer than that very often.

I do.

Bull**** you do.

And longer ones are trivially available anyway.

Not when I searched for them.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

I typed long cobalt drill bit into Ebay and it came up with very few
options.

That's because you are too stupid to use the appropriate search term.

What's wrong with typing "long cobalt drill bit" when you want a long
cobalt drill bit?

It doesn't find the drills that are longer than 60mm, stupid.

The word "long" should give the search engine a clue.

It clearly doesn't with ebay, stupid. That uses the words that
the seller chooses to put in the header or the body if you tell
it to search in the body of the ad too.

Anybody selling a long drill bit must surely put long in the title.

They clearly don't.

"williamwright" wrote in message
...
On 06/02/2020 22:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Not when I searched for them. I typed long cobalt drill bit into Ebay
and it came up with very few options.

Bad googling technique.

He didn't google, he used the ebay search
and is too stupid to work out how that works.

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 11:03:54 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile troll****

11:03??? LOL And STILL not bedtime for you, after you've been trolling ALL
NIGHT LONG, yet again, you clinically insane senile pest? I predicted it,
didn't I, my senile punching bag LOL

--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID:

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 11:46:03 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile stinking troll****

....and nothing's left of the senile stench!

--
Marland answering senile Rodent's statement, "I don't leak":
"That¢s because so much **** and ****e emanates from your gob that there is
nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse
and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a ******."
Message-ID:

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 13:45:49 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile troll****

Keep your senile stench out of normally evolved humans' ngs, you subnormal
85-year-old senile troll!

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile
cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 01:31:23 +0000, williamwright, another demented
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered:


Bad googling technique.

Bill

It's just a troll, senile idiot!

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 13:47:20 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

He didn't google, he used the ebay search
and is too stupid to work out how that works.

He's nevertheless smart enough to lead you senile assholes around by your
stupid senile noses, senile Rodent!

--
Marland revealing the senile sociopath's pathology:
"You have mentioned Alexa in a couple of threads recently, it is not a real
woman you know even if it is the only thing with a Female name that stays
around around while you talk it to it.
Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any
interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from from you boring
them to death."
MID:

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 01:30:19 +0000, williamwright, another mentally
deficient, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


I googled long HSS and found lots. Bought some. Very very useful.

Bill

....says, of course, the troll's useful senile idiot! tsk

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 00:53:45 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

Then why did you take my words too literally

I didn't.

You assumed "almost every task" meant "almost every task".

if you don't have OCD?

I don't.

You assumed "almost every task" meant "almost every task".

I'm not sure if OCD is linked to brain lateralisation or not but there
are people here who appear to have fairly strong Left or Right brain
dominance from what they type.

Now it's either that they(the left brainers) do take things literally
as you say here with 'Rod' (or whatever his actual name is, another
clue to some sort of 'strangeness') or that they 'choose' to take
things literally because it gives them a chance of more trolling or
they realise they have argued themselves up a dead end.

Another reason is that they become isolated because of their LBD (lack
of empathy) and so like a feral dog, don't generally like / trust
anyone, even someone trying to be nice to them and so being disliked
is perfectly 'normal' to them.

I know *exactly* what you meant from what you said. Yes, you can often
need a drill to be longer than it is and especially if you are
*typically* doing things that involve drilling though things into
others (where they need to line up). Completely different issue if you
have a bit longer than it needs to be and so have put tape round drill
shanks (of set the bit deep in the chuck) to limit how far they drill
though but the observation of how often drills (drill bits) are too
short and not too long is spot on (how often have we held the very end
of a bit in the chuck, just to try to make it 'longer' to get it
though something)?

And as you also say correctly, go into any shed today and outside of
SDS / masonry bits and the *odd* smaller HSS bit, the lengths of bit
available are often very limited / standard.

Bits that are longer than you need are rarely an issue, bits that are
too short are and as you say, not something you can always resolve
easily (just by walking into any shed on a Sunday morning and buying
the length, spec and size of bit you want, even if it's only say 50%
longer than 'std' bits).

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:41:51 +0000, D i m, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile asshole, blathered again:


I'm not sure if

FLUSH another huge load of idiotic troll-fodder

I'm ABSOLUTELY sure that HE is a clinically insane trolling ******, while
YOU are a typical, brain dead, troll-feeding, senile asshole, D i m !

In message , T i m
writes
And as you also say correctly, go into any shed today and outside of
SDS / masonry bits and the *odd* smaller HSS bit, the lengths of bit
available are often very limited / standard.

Bits that are longer than you need are rarely an issue, bits that are
too short are and as you say, not something you can always resolve
easily (just by walking into any shed on a Sunday morning and buying
the length, spec and size of bit you want, even if it's only say 50%
longer than 'std' bits).

Drill shanks (from reputable manufacturers) are not hard. I have turned
down and soft soldered extensions on some of mine for special jobs.

--
Tim Lamb

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:31:35 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:08:24 -0000, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article , says...

On 2/6/2020 1:36 PM, Thomas wrote:
98mm is under 4 inches. What do you consider short?

Depends on size, thinner are shorter. You can find a few 18" ones here
https://www.mcmaster.com/extra-long-drill-bits




Just getting into this, at work we had some 1/8 inch bits and a few
other sizes up to about 1/2 inch that were about a foot long, some 1/4
and 5/16 inch bits that were about 5 feet long.

I bet those snapped easily.

Without a doubt, longer bits are often more vulnerable than shorter
ones in all sorts of situations, especially if the shank is the same
diameter all the way up.

Doing your drilling in a pillar drill with the job firmly held and
when taking it easy then it might be less of an issue but a longer
(especially thinner) bit can have more whip, less rigidity (especially
when first starting to drill) and more likely to snap if it binds as
there is less torsional rigidity to push the cutting face passed it's
stalled point (so the bit can 'wind up' more).

Using a long bit in a hand held drill is more difficult than a short
one (again, as a function of the diameter, specifically the smaller
diameters) as they would be more likely to get caught on stuff and
hence broken in general use (I've broken a brand new bit in a cordless
drill by just putting it down).

Also, because they are more flexible than shorter bits you can often
over flex them if trying to 'steer' the bit into the workpiece and
similar if you don't keep the drill parallel with the hole, once the
bit is in the workpiece (you don't get as much feedback because the
bit is more flexible than it's shorter counterpart).

I know I've been lucky if I'm able to put a longer / thinner bit back
in it's box after using it than I am a std / shorter one. Part of that
is because they are usually more expensive and secondly because they
aren't as easy to obtain as 'std' bits (so if you break the last one
before you have finished the job you could be stuck, even if the
hardware shops are open).

As an aside, I was surprised to snap a quality 13mm HSS bit whilst
drilling though some thinish steel the other day. I was in a hurry and
so pushing things faster than I might (like increasing the size of a
hole in more suitable increments) but was surprised it happened with a
cordless drill (Stanley Fatmax). [1]

Cheers, T i m

[1] I think I had the drill on the slower speed (more torque) because
of the amount of metal I was moving (and without coolant etc) and
because there was little rotary inertia, when the bit tip snagged it
twisted the drill sideways slightly causing a bending moment on the
drill shank and hence it snapping.

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 11:07:03 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , T i m
writes
And as you also say correctly, go into any shed today and outside of
SDS / masonry bits and the *odd* smaller HSS bit, the lengths of bit
available are often very limited / standard.

Bits that are longer than you need are rarely an issue, bits that are
too short are and as you say, not something you can always resolve
easily (just by walking into any shed on a Sunday morning and buying
the length, spec and size of bit you want, even if it's only say 50%
longer than 'std' bits).

Drill shanks (from reputable manufacturers) are not hard.

You are right, my bad. It actually snapped 1/2 way up the fluted
section. What I meant was it wasn't just the tip that chipped or broke
away, the (13mm) bit literally snapped in half!

I have turned
down and soft soldered extensions on some of mine for special jobs.

I have also turned shanks of bigger bits down to fit in a smaller
chuck (like a blacksmiths drill bit) and have a couple of finer bits
that someone else has soldered into a home made holder / extender in
my drill bit drawer.

As you say, I have bent shanks on drills before but they generally
snap around the main fluted area.

If you have the means, they can often be re-sharpened to make use of
the remaining bit as a stubby drill. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 11:58:04 +0000, D i m, the absolutely brain dead notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:



Without a doubt,

Without doubt you are a demented senile troll-feeding bull**** artist, D i m!

Cheers

Peeler

On Thursday, 6 February 2020 21:08:31 UTC, Fredxx wrote:

I can imagine you to be the sort to have already given yourself a
frontal lobotomy.

Ah! That is why he needs such a long drill - to reach the cranial contents.

Maybe this would be long enough?

Dormer HSS-E High Speed Cobalt PFX Extra Long Series Drill Bit with 130 Degree Point, Diameter 4.0 mm, 150 millimetres long