On 24/09/2019 11:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/09/2019 11:04, abelard wrote:
On 24 Sep 2019 10:02:27 GMT, Stephen Cole
wrote:

Supreme LOL, more like.

Bercows demanding Parliament meet ASAP, PMQs tomorrow? :-D

The ****s really hit the fan here. Quite remarkable scenes.

bliar et al have deliberately and heavily undermined the rule of law..

these are natural consequences

but what next?

I wonder how people would act if they realised the true ramifications...

The supreme court - a Blairite invention - has ruled the Bercow is
emperor and that a parliament that is strongly in favour of revoking
article 50 is now acting as the the government, which has been stripped
of its executive powers,Â* and that there is no need to have an election
at all for years.

The government could try to force a general election by calling a VoNC
in itself, but that risks a new government being formed by the
opposition with no guarantee of an election any time soon.

How long a coalition of disgruntled Tories, a rather fractious Labour
party, the Lib Dems and the nationalists can keep going might be
questioned though.

Whilst I could see such a government lasting long enough to secure the
A50 extension they want, ISTM is unlikely to hang together for very long
after that.

Doing that however might be all they need to do to draw out Brexit for a
very long time. If the EU were to e.g. propose a 2 year extension, ISTM
that would probably be supported by a majority in the present Parliament.

Regards,

James

On 24/09/2019 21:20, James Hammerton wrote:

The government could try to force a general election by calling a VoNC
in itself, but that risks a new government being formed by the
opposition with no guarantee of an election any time soon.

The carrying of a vote of no confidence with no reversal withing 14 days
is a general election, which the country desperately needs.

There is only the risk of a new government if another party is elected
with a larger majority.

How long a coalition of disgruntled Tories, a rather fractious Labour
party, the Lib Dems and the nationalists can keep going might be
questioned though.

Whilst I could see such a government lasting long enough to secure the
A50 extension they want, ISTM is unlikely to hang together for very long
after that.

Doing that however might be all they need to do to draw out Brexit for a
very long time. If the EU were to e.g. propose a 2 year extension, ISTM
that would probably be supported by a majority in the present Parliament.

If we have a general election all that can change.

Why do you think Corbyn is running so scared of one?

Norman Wells wrote:
On 24/09/2019 21:20, James Hammerton wrote:

The government could try to force a general election by calling a VoNC
in itself, but that risks a new government being formed by the
opposition with no guarantee of an election any time soon.

The carrying of a vote of no confidence with no reversal withing 14 days
is a general election, which the country desperately needs.

There is only the risk of a new government if another party is elected
with a larger majority.

How long a coalition of disgruntled Tories, a rather fractious Labour
party, the Lib Dems and the nationalists can keep going might be
questioned though.

Whilst I could see such a government lasting long enough to secure the
A50 extension they want, ISTM is unlikely to hang together for very long
after that.

Doing that however might be all they need to do to draw out Brexit for a
very long time. If the EU were to e.g. propose a 2 year extension, ISTM
that would probably be supported by a majority in the present Parliament.

If we have a general election all that can change.

Why do you think Corbyn is running so scared of one?



He knows he is toast.

Brexit aside, his 32 hour working week is enough to scare his supporters.
The thought of having to actually work that long will stop them voting for
him. ;-)

On 24/09/2019 22:01, Norman Wells wrote:
On 24/09/2019 21:20, James Hammerton wrote:

The government could try to force a general election by calling a VoNC
in itself, but that risks a new government being formed by the
opposition with no guarantee of an election any time soon.

The carrying of a vote of no confidence with no reversal withing 14 days
is a general election, which the country desperately needs.

Yup, I know, but those 14 days could be enough time for a new government
to form (the mythical GNU) for the purpose of securing the extension to
A50.


There is only the risk of a new government if another party is elected
with a larger majority.

The opposition have shown, with the help of the disgruntled Tories, that
they can command a majority in Parliament (with a helpful Speaker) to
take over the order paper and further pass legislation that is in direct
opposition to government policy.

If they can wield that majority to form a new government during the 14
day period then they can ensure the general election does not occur on
Boris's terms.


How long a coalition of disgruntled Tories, a rather fractious Labour
party, the Lib Dems and the nationalists can keep going might be
questioned though.

Whilst I could see such a government lasting long enough to secure the
A50 extension they want, ISTM is unlikely to hang together for very
long after that.

Doing that however might be all they need to do to draw out Brexit for
a very long time. If the EU were to e.g. propose a 2 year extension,
ISTM that would probably be supported by a majority in the present
Parliament.

If we have a general election all that can change.

A general election held after an A50 extension is secured would mean
that, even if we returned a majority Brexit party government, we would
need an agreement with the EU to leave before the new Article 50
deadline was up. In the absence of such agreement, we'd be stuck in the
EU at least until the new deadline expired.


Why do you think Corbyn is running so scared of one?

The poll ratings for him aren't exactly inspiring. I note he's achieved
the lowest approval rating of an opposition leader ever recorded!

Regards,

James

On 24/09/2019 22:01, Norman Wells wrote:
On 24/09/2019 21:20, James Hammerton wrote:

The government could try to force a general election by calling a VoNC
in itself, but that risks a new government being formed by the
opposition with no guarantee of an election any time soon.

The carrying of a vote of no confidence with no reversal withing 14 days
is a general election, which the country desperately needs.

There is only the risk of a new government if another party is elected
with a larger majority.

If anyone can gather the support of enough MPs in the 14 days, they get
to form a new government without an election. A VoNC now could lead to a
coalition of remainers forming the government.

How long a coalition of disgruntled Tories, a rather fractious Labour
party, the Lib Dems and the nationalists can keep going might be
questioned though.

Whilst I could see such a government lasting long enough to secure the
A50 extension they want, ISTM is unlikely to hang together for very
long after that.

Doing that however might be all they need to do to draw out Brexit for
a very long time. If the EU were to e.g. propose a 2 year extension,
ISTM that would probably be supported by a majority in the present
Parliament.

If we have a general election all that can change.

Why do you think Corbyn is running so scared of one?

We know, but for the rest, the argument used was that if Boris was
allowed an election, he could unilaterally change the date, thus forcing
a no deal Brexit. I can understand this risk, but if that was the
genuine reason for not granting one, then the MPs, instead of voting in
a new law preventing a no deal Brexit, could have simply voted in a
fixed election date. That they did not do so shows that they are not
interested in what the public wants, but just want to block a no deal
(and if possible block leaving at all).

SteveW

On 24/09/2019 23:08, Steve Walker wrote:
On 24/09/2019 22:01, Norman Wells wrote:
On 24/09/2019 21:20, James Hammerton wrote:

The government could try to force a general election by calling a
VoNC in itself, but that risks a new government being formed by the
opposition with no guarantee of an election any time soon.

The carrying of a vote of no confidence with no reversal withing 14
days is a general election, which the country desperately needs.

There is only the risk of a new government if another party is elected
with a larger majority.

If anyone can gather the support of enough MPs in the 14 days, they get
to form a new government without an election. A VoNC now could lead to a
coalition of remainers forming the government.

No, it doesn't. Unless Boris resigns, there is no vacancy. If there is
a vacancy, the leader of the largest party, which is the Conservatives
still, would be invited to form a government, but that would have to
wait until the leadership of the Conservatives was sorted out. And it
could well be Boris again.

The likelihood of anyone else being able to convince Her Maj of being
able to command a majority in the Commons is approximately zero,
especially given the Liberal Undemocrats refusing to work with Corbyn.
The numbers just don't add up.

"Norman Wells" wrote in message
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On 24/09/2019 21:20, James Hammerton wrote:

The government could try to force a general election by calling a VoNC in
itself, but that risks a new government being formed by the opposition
with no guarantee of an election any time soon.

The carrying of a vote of no confidence with no reversal withing 14 days
is a general election, which the country desperately needs.

There is only the risk of a new government if another party is elected
with a larger majority.

How long a coalition of disgruntled Tories, a rather fractious Labour
party, the Lib Dems and the nationalists can keep going might be
questioned though.

Whilst I could see such a government lasting long enough to secure the
A50 extension they want, ISTM is unlikely to hang together for very long
after that.

Doing that however might be all they need to do to draw out Brexit for a
very long time. If the EU were to e.g. propose a 2 year extension, ISTM
that would probably be supported by a majority in the present Parliament.

If we have a general election all that can change.

Why do you think Corbyn is running so scared of one?

Because he knows that given the fact of the purdur rule,
boris would be free to have the election after 29-Oct and
let Article 50 deliver a no deal brexit on that date if the
EU continues to stonewall on the backstop.

On 24/09/2019 21:20, James Hammerton wrote:
How long a coalition of disgruntled Tories, a rather fractious Labour
party, the Lib Dems and the nationalists can keep going might be
questioned though.

All they have to do is amend the FTPA to 100 years instead of 5.

Essentially MPs are elected for life.

Then the next bil will be to ban the Brexit party.

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On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 14:36:22 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


If we have a general election all that can change.

Why do you think Corbyn is running so scared of one?

Because

Nobody asked YOU anything, you trolling piece of senile Ozzie ****! tsk

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/09/2019 21:20, James Hammerton wrote:
How long a coalition of disgruntled Tories, a rather fractious Labour
party, the Lib Dems and the nationalists can keep going might be
questioned though.

All they have to do is amend the FTPA to 100 years instead of 5.

Essentially MPs are elected for life.

Then the next bil will be to ban the Brexit party.

There wouldn't be any need. If their EU parliament record is accurate,
they wouldn't bother turning up anyway.

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