Having trouble sleeping I got up and watched a Channel4 TV programme at
around 4am.

It was another of those programs that suggested that a house featured on
the program had been been furnished for free, by carefully ignoring any
of the real costs.

Turn up with two men and a lorry to pick up something given away for
free and weighing a couple of hundred weight which then is put into the
hands of a professional interior designer and his mates to transform the
rubbish into crap.

Get something for free in Essex and transport it to Glasgow! [1] Again
passing through the hands of designers who seem to have been down to the
local shed to obtain £30 worth of wood/ply.

It would probably been cheaper for the program makers to have visited a
local furnishing store and purchased everything new.


[1]
This reminds me of phone calls that friends had when downsizing and
putting good quality items on some social media sites. The items were
being given away, for free. "Can you deliver it for free - I'm only 50
miles away?" - "Can you bring it around for us to have a look?"

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On 29/08/2019 05:48, alan_m wrote:

Turn up with two men and a lorry to pick up something given away for
free and weighing a couple of hundred weight which then is put into the
hands of a professional interior designer and his mates to transform the
rubbish into crap.

Get something for free in Essex and transport it to Glasgow! [1] Again
passing through the hands of designers who seem to have been down to the
local shed to obtain £30 worth of wood/ply.

It would probably been cheaper for the program makers to have visited a
local furnishing store and purchased everything new.


Something similar happens with a programme called "wheeler dealers"
where they buy a car for X and sell it for y (after repairing it/'doing
it up'). Profit is y-x.

What they tend not to allow for is that they have master mechanics
(who know what they are doing, an entire research team finding where to
get the parts that the mechanic just happens to know are needed) on hand
and a fully equipped work shop. Say £450 an hour for a week or so, soon
eats any profit they have 'made'.

alan_m wrote:

I got up and watched a [...] TV programme

You expected to see something other than a twisted version of the truth?

On 29/08/2019 07:22, soup wrote:
On 29/08/2019 05:48, alan_m wrote:

Turn up with two men and a lorry to pick up something given away for
free and weighing a couple of hundred weight which then is put into
the hands of a professional interior designer and his mates to
transform the rubbish into crap.

Get something for free in Essex and transport it to Glasgow! [1] Again
passing through the hands of designers who seem to have been down to
the local shed to obtain £30 worth of wood/ply.

It would probably been cheaper for the program makers to have visited
a local furnishing store and purchased everything new.


Something similar happens with a programme called "wheeler dealers"
where they buy a car for X and sell it for y (after repairing it/'doing
it up').Â* Profit is y-x.

Â*What they tend not to allow for is that they have master mechanics
(who know what they are doing, an entire research team finding where to
get the parts that the mechanic just happens to know are needed) on hand
and a fully equipped work shop. Say £450 an hour for a week or so, soon
eats any profit they have 'made'.

Dont even think about 'free' renewable energy...

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Surely not?

I mean, if its free then I'd be arranging my own transport even if I paid
the bloke in some kind of non currency.
Brian

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"alan_m" wrote in message
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Having trouble sleeping I got up and watched a Channel4 TV programme at
around 4am.

It was another of those programs that suggested that a house featured on
the program had been been furnished for free, by carefully ignoring any of
the real costs.

Turn up with two men and a lorry to pick up something given away for free
and weighing a couple of hundred weight which then is put into the hands
of a professional interior designer and his mates to transform the rubbish
into crap.

Get something for free in Essex and transport it to Glasgow! [1] Again
passing through the hands of designers who seem to have been down to the
local shed to obtain £30 worth of wood/ply.

It would probably been cheaper for the program makers to have visited a
local furnishing store and purchased everything new.


[1]
This reminds me of phone calls that friends had when downsizing and
putting good quality items on some social media sites. The items were
being given away, for free. "Can you deliver it for free - I'm only 50
miles away?" - "Can you bring it around for us to have a look?"

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The Natural Philosopher pretended :
Dont even think about 'free' renewable energy...

But it is free, until you start adding up the cost of getting it for
free lol

alan_m presented the following explanation :
Get something for free in Essex and transport it to Glasgow! [1] Again
passing through the hands of designers who seem to have been down to the
local shed to obtain £30 worth of wood/ply.

It would probably been cheaper for the program makers to have visited a local
furnishing store and purchased everything new.

Then they happen to find a blind person, to buy for a silly amount,
what they have made.



[1]
This reminds me of phone calls that friends had when downsizing and putting
good quality items on some social media sites. The items were being given
away, for free. "Can you deliver it for free - I'm only 50 miles away?" -
"Can you bring it around for us to have a look?"

I give odd items away and despite including in the ads, 'you must have
your own transport' I still get asked to deliver.

Smaller, easily carried items I now leave by my gate, with a note on it
- 'Free- Help yourself'.

On 29/08/2019 08:04, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The Natural Philosopher pretended :
Dont even think about 'free' renewable energy...

But it is free, until you start adding up the cost of getting it for
free lol

So is uranium free too, until you start adding up the cost of getting it
for free ...

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poor.

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On 29/08/2019 07:38, Andy Burns wrote:
alan_m wrote:

I got up and watched a [...] TV programme

You expected to see something other than a twisted version of the truth?

No, but the BBC was covering a twisted version Brexit at the time.

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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
alan_m wrote:

I got up and watched a [...] TV programme

You expected to see something other than a twisted version of the truth?

Yep, with the best of them like Air Crash Investigation and 24 Hours in
Emergency, and I do.

Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
The Natural Philosopher pretended :
Dont even think about 'free' renewable energy...

But it is free, until you start adding up the cost of
getting it for free lol

Even fossil fuels have to be extracted, refined, and
transported to where they are needed; and to do that
requires/d significant infrastructure to be built.
Renewables are no less "free" than fossils; what counts
is the overall efficiency, cost, reliablity, &etc of
the delivery to where the energy is needed.

#Paul

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 18:04:04 +1000, Sewer, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


You expected to see something other than a twisted version of the truth?

Yep, with the best of them like Air Crash Investigation and 24 Hours in
Emergency, and I do.

He didn't ask YOU, senile asshole! tsk

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On Thursday, 29 August 2019 07:44:24 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
Surely not?

I mean, if its free then I'd be arranging my own transport even if I paid
the bloke in some kind of non currency.

you kinky devil ;-)

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 07:22:24 +0100, soup wrote:

On 29/08/2019 05:48, alan_m wrote:

Turn up with two men and a lorry to pick up something given away for
free and weighing a couple of hundred weight which then is put into the
hands of a professional interior designer and his mates to transform the
rubbish into crap.

Get something for free in Essex and transport it to Glasgow! [1] Again
passing through the hands of designers who seem to have been down to the
local shed to obtain £30 worth of wood/ply.

It would probably been cheaper for the program makers to have visited a
local furnishing store and purchased everything new.


Something similar happens with a programme called "wheeler dealers"
where they buy a car for X and sell it for y (after repairing it/'doing
it up'). Profit is y-x.

What they tend not to allow for is that they have master mechanics
(who know what they are doing, an entire research team finding where to
get the parts that the mechanic just happens to know are needed) on hand
and a fully equipped work shop. Say £450 an hour for a week or so, soon
eats any profit they have 'made'.

£450 an hour?! Bloody hell the mechanic could retire at 30.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 09:51:35 +0100, wrote:

Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
The Natural Philosopher pretended :
Dont even think about 'free' renewable energy...

But it is free, until you start adding up the cost of
getting it for free lol

Even fossil fuels have to be extracted, refined, and
transported to where they are needed; and to do that
requires/d significant infrastructure to be built.
Renewables are no less "free" than fossils; what counts
is the overall efficiency, cost, reliablity, &etc of
the delivery to where the energy is needed.

What amuses me is the plastic (so oil) required to make the solar panels and wind turbines....

has brought this to us :
Renewables are no less "free" than fossils; what counts
is the overall efficiency, cost, reliablity, &etc of
the delivery to where the energy is needed.

Plus the backup needed when renewables don't produce any output.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 09:51:35 +0100, wrote:

Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
The Natural Philosopher pretended :
Dont even think about 'free' renewable energy...

But it is free, until you start adding up the cost of
getting it for free lol

Even fossil fuels have to be extracted, refined, and
transported to where they are needed; and to do that
requires/d significant infrastructure to be built.
Renewables are no less "free" than fossils; what counts
is the overall efficiency, cost, reliablity, &etc of
the delivery to where the energy is needed.

What amuses me is the plastic (so oil) required to make the solar panels
and wind turbines....

There isnt much plastic in solar panels or wind turbines, its
mostly metal and concrete in the case of the wind turbines.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 07:04:10 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


There isnt much plastic in solar panels or wind turbines, its
mostly metal and concrete in the case of the wind turbines.

Source ...other than your senile head, senile Rodent? BG

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On 29/08/2019 07:22, soup wrote:
On 29/08/2019 05:48, alan_m wrote:

Turn up with two men and a lorry to pick up something given away for
free and weighing a couple of hundred weight which then is put into
the hands of a professional interior designer and his mates to
transform the rubbish into crap.

Get something for free in Essex and transport it to Glasgow! [1] Again
passing through the hands of designers who seem to have been down to
the local shed to obtain £30 worth of wood/ply.

It would probably been cheaper for the program makers to have visited
a local furnishing store and purchased everything new.


Something similar happens with a programme called "wheeler dealers"
where they buy a car for X and sell it for y (after repairing it/'doing
it up').Â* Profit is y-x.

Â*What they tend not to allow for is that they have master mechanics
(who know what they are doing, an entire research team finding where to
get the parts that the mechanic just happens to know are needed) on hand
and a fully equipped work shop. Say £450 an hour for a week or so, soon
eats any profit they have 'made'.

To be fair to WD, they did explain that the older programmes (and even
large parts of some of the later ones) were based on the idea that a
competent home mechanic could do most of what Edd does at home (in some
cases with workarounds where specialist equipment wasn't available) and
so they didn't count Edd's time in the costs.

SteveW

Steve Walker was thinking very hard :
To be fair to WD, they did explain that the older programmes (and even large
parts of some of the later ones) were based on the idea that a competent home
mechanic could do most of what Edd does at home (in some cases with
workarounds where specialist equipment wasn't available) and so they didn't
count Edd's time in the costs.

The buy the vehicle, repair it up, then resell it - all rather
pointless if they do the work for free. No one even doing it for a
hobby would give there time and labour for nothing so utterly
pointless.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:18:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

What they tend not to allow for is that they have master
mechanics
(who know what they are doing, an entire research team finding
where to
get the parts that the mechanic just happens to know are needed)
on
hand and a fully equipped work shop. Say ú450 an hour for a week
or so,
soon eats any profit they have 'made'.

ú450 an hour?! Bloody hell the mechanic could retire at 30.

450/hr less rent on workshop, less business rates, less heat & light,
les depreciation of all the euipment in workshop...

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Dave.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 10:38:36 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:18:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

What they tend not to allow for is that they have master
mechanics
(who know what they are doing, an entire research team finding
where to
get the parts that the mechanic just happens to know are needed)
on
hand and a fully equipped work shop. Say ú450 an hour for a week
or so,
soon eats any profit they have 'made'.

ú450 an hour?! Bloody hell the mechanic could retire at 30.

450/hr less rent on workshop, less business rates, less heat & light,
les depreciation of all the euipment in workshop...

So how come my local garage charges me £40 per hour including VAT? Do you like being ripped off?

On Thursday, 29 August 2019 22:31:09 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
On 29/08/2019 07:22, soup wrote:
On 29/08/2019 05:48, alan_m wrote:

Turn up with two men and a lorry to pick up something given away for
free and weighing a couple of hundred weight which then is put into
the hands of a professional interior designer and his mates to
transform the rubbish into crap.

Get something for free in Essex and transport it to Glasgow! [1] Again
passing through the hands of designers who seem to have been down to
the local shed to obtain £30 worth of wood/ply.

It would probably been cheaper for the program makers to have visited
a local furnishing store and purchased everything new.


Something similar happens with a programme called "wheeler dealers"
where they buy a car for X and sell it for y (after repairing it/'doing
it up').Â* Profit is y-x.

Â*What they tend not to allow for is that they have master mechanics
(who know what they are doing, an entire research team finding where to
get the parts that the mechanic just happens to know are needed) on hand
and a fully equipped work shop. Say £450 an hour for a week or so, soon
eats any profit they have 'made'.

To be fair to WD, they did explain that the older programmes (and even
large parts of some of the later ones) were based on the idea that a
competent home mechanic could do most of what Edd does at home.

I can;t think of many homes that have a winch and car ramp or can hire some of the things they have in their garage anytime they need it day or not and have the space to do it. he also always has someone around to help hol;d or carry something, maybe that;s why people have kids, as I was had to hold the ends of blanks of wood while my dad sawed the other end off.

But in one case they needed a plastic bit for a ford capri sunroof which they couldn't get anywhere so they had it designed by someone who did a 3D printer replacement for around £100, but I don't think that included the desiners time in doing it, or teh time it took to find him, take the old part and then return to collect the replacement of cours eit could have been posted.

(in some
cases with workarounds where specialist equipment wasn't available) and
so they didn't count Edd's time in the costs.

SteveW

On 30/08/2019 14:08, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 29 August 2019 22:31:09 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
On 29/08/2019 07:22, soup wrote:
On 29/08/2019 05:48, alan_m wrote:

Turn up with two men and a lorry to pick up something given away for
free and weighing a couple of hundred weight which then is put into
the hands of a professional interior designer and his mates to
transform the rubbish into crap.

Get something for free in Essex and transport it to Glasgow! [1] Again
passing through the hands of designers who seem to have been down to
the local shed to obtain £30 worth of wood/ply.

It would probably been cheaper for the program makers to have visited
a local furnishing store and purchased everything new.


Something similar happens with a programme called "wheeler dealers"
where they buy a car for X and sell it for y (after repairing it/'doing
it up').Â* Profit is y-x.

Â*What they tend not to allow for is that they have master mechanics
(who know what they are doing, an entire research team finding where to
get the parts that the mechanic just happens to know are needed) on hand
and a fully equipped work shop. Say £450 an hour for a week or so, soon
eats any profit they have 'made'.

To be fair to WD, they did explain that the older programmes (and even
large parts of some of the later ones) were based on the idea that a
competent home mechanic could do most of what Edd does at home.

I can;t think of many homes that have a winch and car ramp or can hire some of the things they have in their garage anytime they need it day or not and have the space to do it. he also always has someone around to help hol;d or carry something, maybe that;s why people have kids, as I was had to hold the ends of blanks of wood while my dad sawed the other end off.

Some car enthusiasts do have fully equipped workshops, but for the rest
of us, a combination of pairs of ramps, trolley jacks, axle stands,
chainblocks off the garage roof and various homemade "special" tools
generally get the job done, albeit slower, harder and more uncomfortable.

Pressing bushes in with a vice or sockets and screwed rod rather than a
hydraulic press.

Lots of similar things.

But in one case they needed a plastic bit for a ford capri sunroof which they couldn't get anywhere so they had it designed by someone who did a 3D printer replacement for around £100, but I don't think that included the desiners time in doing it, or teh time it took to find him, take the old part and then return to collect the replacement of cours eit could have been posted.

Many people can download the software and do the design themselves or
know a friend who can. Their own time for designing and transporting is
again "free" and there are plenty of places online where you can upload
your design for printing and dispatch. Although, yes, this would be
beyond many people and they'd have to pay for it all.

SteveW