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Kreg Jig Jig II: The pictorial definition of "Jury Rig"
You guys definitely have me thinking; thinking about how I can do
things more efficiently, before I do them. I made myself a holder for the Kreg Jr. jig last week to avoid having to line up and reclamp the jig with their "face clamp" forty times. I did it in an unusual way, affixing the kreg device to one jaw of a bench vise. This was mostly for lack of a toggle clamp at the moment I decided to do it. I finally got around to drilling the pocket holes this evening and I have to say the makeshift jig worked like a charm, surely cutting the job down by at least half, more likely 2/3. Except... [there's always an "except..."] It turns out that I blocked a small portion of the chip-escape holes when I made the jig. It didn't seem like a lot visually, but the chips built up and caused some slight burning in the first two holes I drilled. I should add that I was also using a more powerful drill than in had in the past.. So, to my makeshift "jig", I added an even more makeshift chip removal "system", shown below. [those with frail constitutions or firmly-held notions about doing things the proper way strongly cautioned ] http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguari...ream/lightbox/ Believe it or not, this worked pretty well. The vents stayed clear, the drilling was easier, and the holes didn't look burned. The "system", even as hastily conceived as it was, allowed me to speed through the task with confidence. And it has given me ideas for a more permanent jig that I'll eventually build. I wonder now if that's not the usual way such things are done: Rather that try to perfect a device in theory, build a quick first attempt and use the lessons learned to improve the permanent model. Of course, "temporary" stuff can have a surprisingly long lifespan in my house. |
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Kreg Jig Jig II: The pictorial definition of "Jury Rig"
Greg Guarino wrote:
I finally got around to drilling the pocket holes this evening and I have to say the makeshift jig worked like a charm, surely cutting the job down by at least half, more likely 2/3. Except... That's great Greg. Always good when a plan comes together. [there's always an "except..."] It turns out that I blocked a small portion of the chip-escape holes when I made the jig. It didn't seem like a lot visually, but the chips built up and caused some slight burning in the first two holes I drilled. I should add that I was also using a more powerful drill than in had in the past.. Hmmmmm... I wondered about exactly that when I built my jigs. I routed escape areas in my jigs because I was afraid the walnut would not hold up to clamping if I cut in channels the way the Kreg does in their jigs, and I haven't tested them yet so I'm a little curious now. I can always route mine deeper if I need to (actually - I'd have to chisel them now...) So, to my makeshift "jig", I added an even more makeshift chip removal "system", shown below. [those with frail constitutions or firmly-held notions about doing things the proper way strongly cautioned ] Hell Greg - looks great! It has that "prototype" look about it that all good products start out with. Believe it or not, this worked pretty well. The vents stayed clear, the drilling was easier, and the holes didn't look burned. The "system", even as hastily conceived as it was, allowed me to speed through the task with confidence. And it has given me ideas for a more permanent jig that I'll eventually build. I wonder now if that's not the usual way such things are done: Rather that try to perfect a device in theory, build a quick first attempt and use the lessons learned to improve the permanent model. Yup - the very definition of a prototype. Of course, "temporary" stuff can have a surprisingly long lifespan in my house. You mean there is a different way? -- -Mike- |
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On 2/23/2013 8:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
Rather that try to perfect a device in theory, build a quick first attempt and use the lessons learned to improve the permanent model. Ah, the very secret itself ... particularly for those of us without that particular gene that lets you _accurately_ visualize, in minute detail, the whole enchilada in your imagination. Although I applaud you guys on the results of your efforts, and in particular the satisfaction you're getting out of the process, I do appreciate you justifying my decision of years back to cut to the chase, crowbar the wallet, and let Kreg get all that out of the way in one fell swoop. -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://plus.google.com/114902129577517371552/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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Swingman wrote:
Although I applaud you guys on the results of your efforts, and in particular the satisfaction you're getting out of the process, I do appreciate you justifying my decision of years back to cut to the chase, crowbar the wallet, and let Kreg get all that out of the way in one fell swoop. I would happily have spent the money as well, since I too figured they'd done a good job of figuring it all out. But - they didn't have an option for one made out of walnut on the website... -- -Mike- |
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Kreg Jig Jig II: The pictorial definition of "Jury Rig"
Mike Marlow wrote:
Swingman wrote: Although I applaud you guys on the results of your efforts, and in particular the satisfaction you're getting out of the process, I do appreciate you justifying my decision of years back to cut to the chase, crowbar the wallet, and let Kreg get all that out of the way in one fell swoop. Yeah, you probably have a cell phone and a laptop sitting on top of your workbench too! It reminds me of what Roy Underhill said about using Japanese saws to cut dovetail joints. : ) I would happily have spent the money as well, since I too figured they'd done a good job of figuring it all out. But - they didn't have an option for one made out of walnut on the website... |
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Kreg Jig Jig II: The pictorial definition of "Jury Rig"
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote: Swingman wrote: Although I applaud you guys on the results of your efforts, and in particular the satisfaction you're getting out of the process, I do appreciate you justifying my decision of years back to cut to the chase, crowbar the wallet, and let Kreg get all that out of the way in one fell swoop. Yeah, you probably have a cell phone and a laptop sitting on top of your workbench too! It reminds me of what Roy Underhill said about using Japanese saws to cut dovetail joints. : ) I saw that Woodcraft had some of those (old) nails that loos like staples, which pull the wood together as you hammer them in. Have you (or anyone else here) tried those? I would happily have spent the money as well, since I too figured they'd done a good job of figuring it all out. But - they didn't have an option for one made out of walnut on the website... |
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On 2/24/2013 11:56 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Swingman wrote: Although I applaud you guys on the results of your efforts, and in particular the satisfaction you're getting out of the process, I do appreciate you justifying my decision of years back to cut to the chase, crowbar the wallet, and let Kreg get all that out of the way in one fell swoop. I would happily have spent the money as well, since I too figured they'd done a good job of figuring it all out. But - they didn't have an option for one made out of walnut on the website... Yeah but yours will look the same after you paint it blue. ;~) |
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Kreg Jig Jig II: The pictorial definition of "Jury Rig"
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:56:05 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
I would happily have spent the money as well, since I too figured they'd done a good job of figuring it all out. But - they didn't have an option for one made out of walnut on the website... Ok then. When you *FINALLY* chainsaw open your wallet and buy a Domino, we want to see the Snakewood or Pink Ivory wood accoutrements that you add to your Domino. |
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Leon wrote:
On 2/24/2013 11:56 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Swingman wrote: Although I applaud you guys on the results of your efforts, and in particular the satisfaction you're getting out of the process, I do appreciate you justifying my decision of years back to cut to the chase, crowbar the wallet, and let Kreg get all that out of the way in one fell swoop. I would happily have spent the money as well, since I too figured they'd done a good job of figuring it all out. But - they didn't have an option for one made out of walnut on the website... Yeah but yours will look the same after you paint it blue. ;~) Geeze - I'm just now getting the kind of shine I was after, and you're telling me I have to paint it blue? Man - there's no end to this woodworking stuff... -- -Mike- |
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Kreg Jig Jig II: The pictorial definition of "Jury Rig"
Dave wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:56:05 -0500, "Mike Marlow" I would happily have spent the money as well, since I too figured they'd done a good job of figuring it all out. But - they didn't have an option for one made out of walnut on the website... Ok then. When you *FINALLY* chainsaw open your wallet and buy a Domino, we want to see the Snakewood or Pink Ivory wood accoutrements that you add to your Domino. More likely be Purpleheart. A friend just gave me about 3 BF of the stuff as sort of a payment for spraying a guitar body he had done some work to. Was wondering what I might use the stuff for, and now I know. Domino and Purpleheart - kinda sounds like they go together, don't it? BTW - man is this stuff dense! -- -Mike- |
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Kreg Jig Jig II: The pictorial definition of "Jury Rig"
On 2/24/2013 5:36 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Of course, "temporary" stuff can have a surprisingly long lifespan in my house. You mean there is a different way? I hear rumors, but I'm not sure they're true. |
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Kreg Jig Jig II: The pictorial definition of "Jury Rig"
On 2/24/2013 9:20 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 2/23/2013 8:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote: Rather that try to perfect a device in theory, build a quick first attempt and use the lessons learned to improve the permanent model. Ah, the very secret itself ... particularly for those of us without that particular gene that lets you _accurately_ visualize, in minute detail, the whole enchilada in your imagination. Although I applaud you guys on the results of your efforts, and in particular the satisfaction you're getting out of the process, I do appreciate you justifying my decision of years back to cut to the chase, crowbar the wallet, and let Kreg get all that out of the way in one fell swoop. I haven't tried the full Kreg Jig, and if I'd gotten off my butt and ordered a toggle clamp when I intended to, I probably wouldn't have thought of the vise method. But I like it, or at least the new and improved version I envision. I especially like that there would be a nice wide surface to hold the work. Maybe that's unnecessary; that seems likely, given that you've apparently done well with the Kreg Jig for what must be many jobs. In addition, I am starting to enjoy the "puzzle" aspect of woodworking; that "sense of satisfaction" you mention. I'm now trying to visualize a jig that I could quickly slip onto the movable jaw of the vise. It would hold the kreg unit and provide a surface flush with the front surface of the kreg to hold the work. I've got some ideas about how to make a vacuum port too. If you need to find me, I'll be perched at the top of the slippery slope. Good thing I have so little free time. |
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Greg Guarino wrote:
I haven't tried the full Kreg Jig, and if I'd gotten off my butt and ordered a toggle clamp when I intended to, I probably wouldn't have thought of the vise method. But I like it, or at least the new and improved version I envision. I especially like that there would be a nice wide surface to hold the work. Maybe that's unnecessary; that seems likely, given that you've apparently done well with the Kreg Jig for what must be many jobs. In addition, I am starting to enjoy the "puzzle" aspect of woodworking; that "sense of satisfaction" you mention. I'm now trying to visualize a jig that I could quickly slip onto the movable jaw of the vise. It would hold the kreg unit and provide a surface flush with the front surface of the kreg to hold the work. I've got some ideas about how to make a vacuum port too. If you need to find me, I'll be perched at the top of the slippery slope. Good thing I have so little free time. Don't let Karl get to you Greg - he's just jealous because he doesn't have the time to dick around with this stuff to amuse himself, 'cause he's too busy building beautiful stuff. He just doesn't understand that sometimes it's rewarding to not be so damned talented. Look how we get to amuse ourselves... Hell - I may just go build something else - just for the hell of it! -- -Mike- |
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Kreg Jig Jig II: The pictorial definition of "Jury Rig"
On 2/25/2013 12:05 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
In addition, I am starting to enjoy the "puzzle" aspect of woodworking; that "sense of satisfaction" you mention. Yep, and I've mentioned in the past that I often get more satisfaction from designing the jig/fixture to make a particular job easier and more repeatable than in doing the project itself, so I feel your pain. This link has just a few of them: https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...ixturesMethods Including my modest, store bought, Kreg-On-A-Plank, about 3/4 of the way through: https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...53468866373122 What I particularly like about the Kreg is that since Leon discovered the necessary adapter to hook it up to our respective Festool CT22E dust extractors, I no longer have to blow out drill chips, none, nada ... which was the only thing slowing me down when turning out hundreds of face frame rails and intermediate stiles at a time. (this is my second Kreg master system ... sold the last one to someone here a few years back) -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://plus.google.com/114902129577517371552/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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