this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ?

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK
?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).

yes...thanks I was a bit worried when I say the ones on tv with what looked
like a lock ......it has a hidden manual winder which unfortunately is on
the outside as I wanted to gain an extra nine inches for the mustang so the
box is on the outside so perhaps I should fit a lock .......???

Jim GM4DHJ ... submitted this idea :
this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ?

If you mean shutter on a door, you should find that as it closes, the
barrel should continue a little further than needed to actually close.
Hinged plastic link sections connecting door to barrel, then are
partially inverted, so as to jam or lock the door down. My 2m wide door
has four of these plastic hinges, spaced along its width.

The only way the door can be then lifted, is by turning the barrel, or
by forcing the door and breaking the plastic hinges.

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).
Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power
fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the
garage?

On 06/06/2019 09:24, Davidm wrote:

Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power
fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the
garage?


My garage door specifies there must be an alternative entry point.

On 06/06/2019 07:51, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ?



Judging by the keys for a couple of up and over garage doors I've
encountered the locks fitted to many garage doors are of the low
quality, low security type.

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On 06/06/2019 08:47, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK
?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).

yes...thanks I was a bit worried when I say the ones on tv with what looked
like a lock ......it has a hidden manual winder which unfortunately is on
the outside as I wanted to gain an extra nine inches for the mustang so the
box is on the outside so perhaps I should fit a lock .......???

How about just a lock that prevents the winder being used?

SteveW

On 06/06/2019 09:24, Davidm wrote:

That happened to my neighbour. Burglars attempted to sabotage the gates
(don't ask me how that would help them) and managed to kill the power to
the garage. The consumer units etc were in the garage. We had to destroy
the door.

Bill

"Pancho" wrote in message
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On 06/06/2019 09:24, Davidm wrote:

Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power
fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the
garage?


My garage door specifies there must be an alternative entry point.

From my own sample of 7 garages in my lifetime of property residence.

A grand total of zero had such access

so pretty much a deal breaking restriction IMHO

tim

on 06/06/2019, Davidm supposed :
Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power
fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the
garage?

If the door roll is on the inside, they offer a linkage down and
through an access hole for a manual winder. If the roll is mounted
outside, or there is alternate access, you can just hook an handle on
to the end of the drive for the roll.

Its probably using a worm drive which of course cannot be operated
backwards, so to speak.
Brian

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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK
?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).

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alan_m was thinking very hard :
Judging by the keys for a couple of up and over garage doors I've encountered
the locks fitted to many garage doors are of the low quality, low security
type.

Yes, just a simple flat key, probably easy to pick.

The roller doors are a little better, but difficult to make anything
proof against a determined attack. All you can do is ensure a lot of
noise is involved in breaking in and getting through a roller shutter
woud be a very noisy exercise..

As long as you remember to unlock it before operating it or it might self
destruct!

Brian

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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that
OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).

yes...thanks I was a bit worried when I say the ones on tv with what
looked like a lock ......it has a hidden manual winder which unfortunately
is on the outside as I wanted to gain an extra nine inches for the mustang
so the box is on the outside so perhaps I should fit a lock .......???

After serious thinking Brian Gaff wrote :
Its probably using a worm drive which of course cannot be operated backwards,
so to speak.
Brian

They use a multi section planetary gear, to reduce the motor speed
right down. You cannot force the barrel around, that part is very
secure. The only way is to force the door up against the over centre
plastic links, breaking them whilst also lifting a quite heavy door.

After serious thinking Brian Gaff wrote :
As long as you remember to unlock it before operating it or it might self
destruct!

They do self destruct - there is a deliberate weakened section in the
drive shaft from the motor. Overload the drive and the shaft snaps, as
I found. The attachment on the door in the Crocodile ad., is I think a
wireless obstruction detector. If the door tries to close onto an
object which makes contact with the edge rubber, the door stops and
reverse. I added a IR beam system across my door. If the beam is broken
by an object, 'down' button does nothing, or if it is broken when the
door is going down, it reverses and goes back up. I added a remote LED
indicator to mine, so light comes on when the car is just clear of the
door aperture.

"Davidm" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that
OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).
Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power
fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the
garage?

feck!

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"Pancho" wrote in message
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On 06/06/2019 09:24, Davidm wrote:

Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power
fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the
garage?


My garage door specifies there must be an alternative entry point.

From my own sample of 7 garages in my lifetime of property residence.

A grand total of zero had such access

so pretty much a deal breaking restriction IMHO

tim





I put one in 20 years ago with a SCFD as well but the wife keeps locking
it.....

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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on 06/06/2019, Davidm supposed :
Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power
fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the
garage?

If the door roll is on the inside, they offer a linkage down and through
an access hole for a manual winder. If the roll is mounted outside, or
there is alternate access, you can just hook an handle on to the end of
the drive for the roll.

you have to unscrew a corner of the external roller cover on mine...

"Davidm" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that
OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).

Out of curiosity

Don't forget what that did to the cat.

- what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with
the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage?

You wait till the power comes on again before you can open the door.

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Davidm" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that
OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).

Out of curiosity

Don't forget what that did to the cat.

- what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with
the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage?

You wait till the power comes on again before you can open the door.

mmm. But if the power failure has caused the garage circuit breaker to trip
- then what?

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"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Davidm" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is
that
OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).

Out of curiosity

Don't forget what that did to the cat.

- what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with
the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage?

You wait till the power comes on again before you can open the door.

mmm. But if the power failure has caused the garage circuit breaker to
trip
- then what?

Only a problem if you are actually stupid enough to have
the CU in a garage that only has the one roller door access.

Only the most ****ed installation would have a stand alone garage
with just the roller door for access with the house CU in it.

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 06:08:10 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile ****

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Only the most ****ed installation would have a stand alone garage
with just the roller door for access with the house CU in it.

Obviously NOT, you ****ed up senile wisenheimer!

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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 9:24:33 AM UTC+1, Davidm wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).
Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power
fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the
garage?

Simple. All of these doors have a simpe way of disconnecting the gearbox and then the door can be rolled up by hand

Davidm wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).
Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power
fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the
garage?


Not really any different to any (garage) door where the lock fails, save
you just have to wait for the power cut to end rather than get more
creative. Having helped several neighbours over the years with garage door
issues, waiting for a power cut to end could be the better option.

We have a secondary door so it isnt an issue but it was something I
thought of. The roller doors are quite hard to wind up by hand, at least
the double ones. Trying to (somehow) push one up so it winds must be all
but impossible. You could smash it open but that is true of any almost
door.

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On 07/06/2019 09:00, Brian Reay wrote:
Davidm wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).
Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power
fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the
garage?

At least some (if not all) have a winding mechanism accessible from
outside if there is no seconary door.

http://www.bradfordgaragedoors.co.uk...power-cut.aspx

External winding handle access point (low level)

Used in insulated roller garage doors when there is no other door
allowing access to the garage. This involves feeding the internal manual
override system to the outside of the garage through its brick wall. A
steel plate is fitted over an access point and this plate is lockable.
When unlocked, the winding handle can be fed in through the access point
and be used to wind the door up or down until the power comes back on.

External winding handle access point (high Level)

For roller garage doors that are fitted externally, with the manual
override being accessed from the outside. This type of mechanism also
has an access point covered by a lockable steel plate which can be
unlocked to gain access to the inside and wind up or wind down the curtain.



Not really any different to any (garage) door where the lock fails, save
you just have to wait for the power cut to end rather than get more
creative. Having helped several neighbours over the years with garage door
issues, waiting for a power cut to end could be the better option.

We have a secondary door so it isnt an issue but it was something I
thought of. The roller doors are quite hard to wind up by hand, at least
the double ones. Trying to (somehow) push one up so it winds must be all
but impossible. You could smash it open but that is true of any almost
door.



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charles laid this down on his screen :
mmm. But if the power failure has caused the garage circuit breaker to trip
- then what?

Not just that, but my processor run door control has crashed a few
times since I installed it. I have a keypad protected small door as
well, but that also uses a processor and has crashed a few times. Not
such a problem I can gain entry to the later via a normal mechanical
Yale key as backup.

On Sat, 08 Jun 2019 09:03:30 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

charles laid this down on his screen :
mmm. But if the power failure has caused the garage circuit breaker to
trip - then what?

Not just that, but my processor run door control has crashed a few times
since I installed it. I have a keypad protected small door as well, but
that also uses a processor and has crashed a few times. Not such a
problem I can gain entry to the later via a normal mechanical Yale key
as backup.

Same here. SWMBO was worried until I pointed out that the key still
worked.

Ours is run from the VoIP PBX, and opens either via an internal phone or
a 2FA call from a mobile phone.

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Brian Reay pretended :
We have a secondary door so it isnt an issue but it was something I
thought of. The roller doors are quite hard to wind up by hand, at least
the double ones. Trying to (somehow) push one up so it winds must be all
but impossible. You could smash it open but that is true of any almost
door.

Mine is not difficult to manually crank, it is very low geared and
needs lots of turns to raise it.

The control system is DC 24v, the motor 240v. My plan for if the 24v
system fails, is to just power the motor directly off 240v, it internal
motor limits will still be in circuit.

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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charles laid this down on his screen :
mmm. But if the power failure has caused the garage circuit breaker to
trip
- then what?

Not just that, but my processor run door control has crashed a few times
since I installed it. I have a keypad protected small door as well, but
that also uses a processor and has crashed a few times. Not such a problem
I can gain entry to the later via a normal mechanical Yale key as backup.

you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........

Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen :
you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........

Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and
d. I can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to
reboot both doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or
use a Yale key.

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen :
you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........

Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and d. I
can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to reboot both
doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or use a Yale key.



I hate everything DIGITAL......plan B is to smash and burn it .......

In article , Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen :
you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........

Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and
d. I can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to
reboot both doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or
use a Yale key.



I hate everything DIGITAL......plan B is to smash and burn it .......

That might mean using your fingers ;-)

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"charles" wrote in message
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In article , Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen :
you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........

Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and
d. I can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to
reboot both doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or
use a Yale key.



I hate everything DIGITAL......plan B is to smash and burn it .......

That might mean using your fingers ;-)

I have 12 imperial digits .....

On 08/06/2019 14:56, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen :
you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........

Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and d. I
can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to reboot both
doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or use a Yale key.



I hate everything DIGITAL......plan B is to smash and burn it .......



Everything electrical is digital, the electron is the smallest charge
and others are a multiple of it. IE digital.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 08/06/2019 14:56, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen :
you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........

Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and d.
I
can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to reboot
both
doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or use a Yale
key.



I hate everything DIGITAL......plan B is to smash and burn it .......



Everything electrical is digital, the electron is the smallest charge and
others are a multiple of it. IE digital.



I don't care...I'm analoque man .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il1Byvn_vMA

or analog man ....

On 06/06/2019 08:13, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).


I needed access into a garage at an empty property last week.

Electric garage door and the CU was in the garage with no other door to
the garage. There was no power.

It took me 2 minutes to open the door without causing any damage and 4
minutes to shut it back down and lock it back up.

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On 08/06/2019 16:50, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 16:03:51 +0100, ARW
wrote:

On 06/06/2019 08:13, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).


I needed access into a garage at an empty property last week.

Electric garage door and the CU was in the garage with no other door to
the garage. There was no power.

It took me 2 minutes to open the door without causing any damage and 4
minutes to shut it back down and lock it back up.

OOI how? (so that I can perhaps make it more difficult)


You door is probably not like the one I opened.

Hopefully no key built into a brick wall on your set up.


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On 08/06/2019 17:02, ARW wrote:
On 08/06/2019 16:50, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 16:03:51 +0100, ARW
wrote:

On 06/06/2019 08:13, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is
that OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).


I needed access into a garage at an empty property last week.

Electric garage door and the CU was in the garage with no other door to
the garage. There was no power.

It took me 2 minutes to open the door without causing any damage and 4
minutes to shut it back down and lock it back up.

OOI how? (so that I can perhaps make it more difficult)


You door is probably not like the one I opened.

Hopefully no key built into a brick wall on your set up.


No lock not key..

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"ARW" wrote in message
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On 06/06/2019 08:13, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that
OK ?

Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not
being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its
axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand
crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about
security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very
secure (BHWSTWH).


I needed access into a garage at an empty property last week.

Electric garage door and the CU was in the garage with no other door to
the garage. There was no power.

It took me 2 minutes to open the door without causing any damage and 4
minutes to shut it back down and lock it back up.

good training doing places in was it ? ...tee hee