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this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ?
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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). yes...thanks I was a bit worried when I say the ones on tv with what looked like a lock ......it has a hidden manual winder which unfortunately is on the outside as I wanted to gain an extra nine inches for the mustang so the box is on the outside so perhaps I should fit a lock .......??? |
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Jim GM4DHJ ... submitted this idea :
this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? If you mean shutter on a door, you should find that as it closes, the barrel should continue a little further than needed to actually close. Hinged plastic link sections connecting door to barrel, then are partially inverted, so as to jam or lock the door down. My 2m wide door has four of these plastic hinges, spaced along its width. The only way the door can be then lifted, is by turning the barrel, or by forcing the door and breaking the plastic hinges. |
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? |
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On 06/06/2019 09:24, Davidm wrote:
Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? My garage door specifies there must be an alternative entry point. |
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On 06/06/2019 07:51, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Judging by the keys for a couple of up and over garage doors I've encountered the locks fitted to many garage doors are of the low quality, low security type. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 06/06/2019 08:47, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). yes...thanks I was a bit worried when I say the ones on tv with what looked like a lock ......it has a hidden manual winder which unfortunately is on the outside as I wanted to gain an extra nine inches for the mustang so the box is on the outside so perhaps I should fit a lock .......??? How about just a lock that prevents the winder being used? SteveW |
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On 06/06/2019 09:24, Davidm wrote:
That happened to my neighbour. Burglars attempted to sabotage the gates (don't ask me how that would help them) and managed to kill the power to the garage. The consumer units etc were in the garage. We had to destroy the door. Bill |
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"Pancho" wrote in message ... On 06/06/2019 09:24, Davidm wrote: Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? My garage door specifies there must be an alternative entry point. From my own sample of 7 garages in my lifetime of property residence. A grand total of zero had such access so pretty much a deal breaking restriction IMHO tim |
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on 06/06/2019, Davidm supposed :
Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? If the door roll is on the inside, they offer a linkage down and through an access hole for a manual winder. If the roll is mounted outside, or there is alternate access, you can just hook an handle on to the end of the drive for the roll. |
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Its probably using a worm drive which of course cannot be operated
backwards, so to speak. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). -- Chris |
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alan_m was thinking very hard :
Judging by the keys for a couple of up and over garage doors I've encountered the locks fitted to many garage doors are of the low quality, low security type. Yes, just a simple flat key, probably easy to pick. The roller doors are a little better, but difficult to make anything proof against a determined attack. All you can do is ensure a lot of noise is involved in breaking in and getting through a roller shutter woud be a very noisy exercise.. |
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After serious thinking Brian Gaff wrote :
Its probably using a worm drive which of course cannot be operated backwards, so to speak. Brian They use a multi section planetary gear, to reduce the motor speed right down. You cannot force the barrel around, that part is very secure. The only way is to force the door up against the over centre plastic links, breaking them whilst also lifting a quite heavy door. |
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After serious thinking Brian Gaff wrote :
As long as you remember to unlock it before operating it or it might self destruct! They do self destruct - there is a deliberate weakened section in the drive shaft from the motor. Overload the drive and the shaft snaps, as I found. The attachment on the door in the Crocodile ad., is I think a wireless obstruction detector. If the door tries to close onto an object which makes contact with the edge rubber, the door stops and reverse. I added a IR beam system across my door. If the beam is broken by an object, 'down' button does nothing, or if it is broken when the door is going down, it reverses and goes back up. I added a remote LED indicator to mine, so light comes on when the car is just clear of the door aperture. |
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"Davidm" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? feck! |
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"tim..." wrote in message ... "Pancho" wrote in message ... On 06/06/2019 09:24, Davidm wrote: Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? My garage door specifies there must be an alternative entry point. From my own sample of 7 garages in my lifetime of property residence. A grand total of zero had such access so pretty much a deal breaking restriction IMHO tim I put one in 20 years ago with a SCFD as well but the wife keeps locking it..... |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... on 06/06/2019, Davidm supposed : Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? If the door roll is on the inside, they offer a linkage down and through an access hole for a manual winder. If the roll is mounted outside, or there is alternate access, you can just hook an handle on to the end of the drive for the roll. you have to unscrew a corner of the external roller cover on mine... |
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"Davidm" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). Out of curiosity Don't forget what that did to the cat. - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? You wait till the power comes on again before you can open the door. |
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Rod Speed wrote: "Davidm" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). Out of curiosity Don't forget what that did to the cat. - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? You wait till the power comes on again before you can open the door. mmm. But if the power failure has caused the garage circuit breaker to trip - then what? -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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"charles" wrote in message ... In article , Rod Speed wrote: "Davidm" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). Out of curiosity Don't forget what that did to the cat. - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? You wait till the power comes on again before you can open the door. mmm. But if the power failure has caused the garage circuit breaker to trip - then what? Only a problem if you are actually stupid enough to have the CU in a garage that only has the one roller door access. Only the most ****ed installation would have a stand alone garage with just the roller door for access with the house CU in it. |
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH senile **** -- about senile Rot Speed: "This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage." MID: |
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Only the most ****ed installation would have a stand alone garage with just the roller door for access with the house CU in it. Obviously NOT, you ****ed up senile wisenheimer! -- pamela about Rot Speed: "His off the cuff expertise demonstrates how little he knows..." MID: |
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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 9:24:33 AM UTC+1, Davidm wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? Simple. All of these doors have a simpe way of disconnecting the gearbox and then the door can be rolled up by hand |
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Davidm wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? Not really any different to any (garage) door where the lock fails, save you just have to wait for the power cut to end rather than get more creative. Having helped several neighbours over the years with garage door issues, waiting for a power cut to end could be the better option. We have a secondary door so it isnt an issue but it was something I thought of. The roller doors are quite hard to wind up by hand, at least the double ones. Trying to (somehow) push one up so it winds must be all but impossible. You could smash it open but that is true of any almost door. -- Corbyn & the EU, the Nazis next step: "Our aim was Europe a nation. Our faith European Socialism" Mosley "My Life" autobiography 1957. |
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On 07/06/2019 09:00, Brian Reay wrote:
Davidm wrote: On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:13:38 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). Out of curiosity - what happens if you're not in the garage, the power fails with the door closed, and you have no other entrance into the garage? At least some (if not all) have a winding mechanism accessible from outside if there is no seconary door. http://www.bradfordgaragedoors.co.uk...power-cut.aspx External winding handle access point (low level) Used in insulated roller garage doors when there is no other door allowing access to the garage. This involves feeding the internal manual override system to the outside of the garage through its brick wall. A steel plate is fitted over an access point and this plate is lockable. When unlocked, the winding handle can be fed in through the access point and be used to wind the door up or down until the power comes back on. External winding handle access point (high Level) For roller garage doors that are fitted externally, with the manual override being accessed from the outside. This type of mechanism also has an access point covered by a lockable steel plate which can be unlocked to gain access to the inside and wind up or wind down the curtain. Not really any different to any (garage) door where the lock fails, save you just have to wait for the power cut to end rather than get more creative. Having helped several neighbours over the years with garage door issues, waiting for a power cut to end could be the better option. We have a secondary door so it isnt an issue but it was something I thought of. The roller doors are quite hard to wind up by hand, at least the double ones. Trying to (somehow) push one up so it winds must be all but impossible. You could smash it open but that is true of any almost door. -- Chris B (News) |
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charles laid this down on his screen :
mmm. But if the power failure has caused the garage circuit breaker to trip - then what? Not just that, but my processor run door control has crashed a few times since I installed it. I have a keypad protected small door as well, but that also uses a processor and has crashed a few times. Not such a problem I can gain entry to the later via a normal mechanical Yale key as backup. |
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On Sat, 08 Jun 2019 09:03:30 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
charles laid this down on his screen : mmm. But if the power failure has caused the garage circuit breaker to trip - then what? Not just that, but my processor run door control has crashed a few times since I installed it. I have a keypad protected small door as well, but that also uses a processor and has crashed a few times. Not such a problem I can gain entry to the later via a normal mechanical Yale key as backup. Same here. SWMBO was worried until I pointed out that the key still worked. Ours is run from the VoIP PBX, and opens either via an internal phone or a 2FA call from a mobile phone. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Brian Reay pretended :
We have a secondary door so it isnt an issue but it was something I thought of. The roller doors are quite hard to wind up by hand, at least the double ones. Trying to (somehow) push one up so it winds must be all but impossible. You could smash it open but that is true of any almost door. Mine is not difficult to manually crank, it is very low geared and needs lots of turns to raise it. The control system is DC 24v, the motor 240v. My plan for if the 24v system fails, is to just power the motor directly off 240v, it internal motor limits will still be in circuit. |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... charles laid this down on his screen : mmm. But if the power failure has caused the garage circuit breaker to trip - then what? Not just that, but my processor run door control has crashed a few times since I installed it. I have a keypad protected small door as well, but that also uses a processor and has crashed a few times. Not such a problem I can gain entry to the later via a normal mechanical Yale key as backup. you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........ |
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Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen :
you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........ Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and d. I can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to reboot both doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or use a Yale key. |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen : you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........ Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and d. I can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to reboot both doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or use a Yale key. I hate everything DIGITAL......plan B is to smash and burn it ....... |
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In article , Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote: "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen : you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........ Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and d. I can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to reboot both doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or use a Yale key. I hate everything DIGITAL......plan B is to smash and burn it ....... That might mean using your fingers ;-) -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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"charles" wrote in message ... In article , Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen : you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........ Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and d. I can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to reboot both doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or use a Yale key. I hate everything DIGITAL......plan B is to smash and burn it ....... That might mean using your fingers ;-) I have 12 imperial digits ..... |
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On 08/06/2019 14:56, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen : you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........ Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and d. I can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to reboot both doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or use a Yale key. I hate everything DIGITAL......plan B is to smash and burn it ....... Everything electrical is digital, the electron is the smallest charge and others are a multiple of it. IE digital. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message ... On 08/06/2019 14:56, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... Jim GM4DHJ ... laid this down on his screen : you just can't trust anything DIGITAL ........ Course you can, if you have a plan b, c and a plan d. I have b, c and d. I can power the garage down and back up from inside the house to reboot both doors, I can get in via small side door via the keypad, or use a Yale key. I hate everything DIGITAL......plan B is to smash and burn it ....... Everything electrical is digital, the electron is the smallest charge and others are a multiple of it. IE digital. I don't care...I'm analoque man ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il1Byvn_vMA or analog man .... |
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On 06/06/2019 08:13, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). I needed access into a garage at an empty property last week. Electric garage door and the CU was in the garage with no other door to the garage. There was no power. It took me 2 minutes to open the door without causing any damage and 4 minutes to shut it back down and lock it back up. -- Adam |
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On 08/06/2019 16:50, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 16:03:51 +0100, ARW wrote: On 06/06/2019 08:13, Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). I needed access into a garage at an empty property last week. Electric garage door and the CU was in the garage with no other door to the garage. There was no power. It took me 2 minutes to open the door without causing any damage and 4 minutes to shut it back down and lock it back up. OOI how? (so that I can perhaps make it more difficult) You door is probably not like the one I opened. Hopefully no key built into a brick wall on your set up. -- Adam |
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On 08/06/2019 17:02, ARW wrote:
On 08/06/2019 16:50, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 16:03:51 +0100, ARW wrote: On 06/06/2019 08:13, Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). I needed access into a garage at an empty property last week. Electric garage door and the CU was in the garage with no other door to the garage. There was no power. It took me 2 minutes to open the door without causing any damage and 4 minutes to shut it back down and lock it back up. OOI how? (so that I can perhaps make it more difficult) You door is probably not like the one I opened. Hopefully no key built into a brick wall on your set up. No lock not key.. -- Adam |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... On 06/06/2019 08:13, Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:51:40 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: this new motorised roller shutter doesn't seem to have a lock...is that OK ? Are you talking garage door? If so, nor does mine. It relies on it not being possible to raise it other than by coiling it back up onto its axle, either electrically using the remote controller or with the hand crank inside the garage if the electrics should fail. I asked about security before I had it installed, and the guy said it was very secure (BHWSTWH). I needed access into a garage at an empty property last week. Electric garage door and the CU was in the garage with no other door to the garage. There was no power. It took me 2 minutes to open the door without causing any damage and 4 minutes to shut it back down and lock it back up. good training doing places in was it ? ...tee hee |
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