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![]() The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 -- -- Colin Bignell |
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On 12/04/2019 23:08, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Which press regulator? https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-r...g/?id=00154-19 |
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Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Which press regulator? IPSO. That's the industry one, not the Leveson one I think. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote:
The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 A small victory, but he isn't the only one to be spreading that particular lie - John Redwood recently. And it gets traction and is repeated by our own local idiots like turnip until the media feel they have to treat the crazy idea with respect. TW |
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On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote:
The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Unfortunately, Boris was in fact right. "IPSO has forced The Telegraph to amend a column Boris wrote in January in which he suggested No Deal was the most popular option with the public. A Remainer academic from Reading University complained to IPSO extraordinarily hysterically saying that Boris column was clearly out of the Trump/Bannon playbook. The piece has now been amended to say In fact, no poll clearly showed that a no-deal Brexit was more popular than the other options. This correction is being published following a complaint upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation. IPSO is mistaken on this point, IPSO clearly didnt look at this Opinium poll just before Boris wrote his column and as reported at the time by the BBC:" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 So its just more political witch huntin by remoaners., Like the 'did leave overspend illegally' which the judge decided they did (accidentally) *after being advised to by the same body that then accused them*. -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin |
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On 12/04/2019 22:56, TimW wrote:
On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 A small victory, but he isn't the only one to be spreading that particular lie - John Redwood recently. And it gets traction and is repeated by our own local idiots like turnip until the media feel they have to treat the crazy idea with respect. Who knows what the public prefer? It may not be Boris but I very much doubt that the Press Council have any different meaningful information. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Unfortunately, Boris was in fact right. "IPSO has forced The Telegraph to amend a column Boris wrote in January in which he suggested No Deal was the most popular option with the public. A Remainer academic from Reading University complained to IPSO extraordinarily hysterically saying that Boris column was clearly out of the Trump/Bannon playbook. The piece has now been amended to say In fact, no poll clearly showed that a no-deal Brexit was more popular than the other options. This correction is being published following a complaint upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation. IPSO is mistaken on this point, IPSO clearly didnt look at this Opinium poll just before Boris wrote his column and as reported at the time by the BBC:" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 You have cast aspersions at reporting by the BBC accusing it of bias throughout the time of the Brexit debate if not before so why should we believe it is credible because this time you happen to want to use a report by them to support your P.O.V. Normally anything from the BBC you immediately shout down so why should we believe it this time. GH |
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On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote:
The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Well, it is my preferred option. Is your preferred option more worthy than mine, or mine more worthy than yours? |
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On 13/04/2019 01:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Unfortunately, Boris was in fact right. "IPSO has forced The Telegraph to amend a column Boris wrote in January in which he suggested No Deal was the most popular option with the public. A Remainer academic from Reading University complained to IPSO extraordinarily hysterically saying that Boris column was clearly out of the Trump/Bannon playbook. The piece has now been amended to say *** In fact, no poll clearly showed that a no-deal Brexit was more popular than the other options. This correction is being published following a complaint upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation. IPSO is mistaken on this point, IPSO clearly didnt look at this Opinium poll just before Boris wrote his column and as reported at the time by the BBC:" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 A prime example of what the IPSO said the Telegraph had done: 'construed the polls as signalling support for a no deal, when in fact, this was the result of the publication either amalgamating several findings together or interpreting an option beyond what was set out by the poll, as being a finding in support of a no-deal Brexit' That is a poll of whether or not people support May's deal. It is not a poll of whether or not they support a no-deal Brexit. It shows that the deal is even more unpopular among remain voters than among leave voters. That suggests that a more accurate claim (if there is such a thing from a poll that doesn't actually ask the question) it would be that remaining is a more popular alternative to her deal than a no-deal Brexit. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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On 13/04/2019 01:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Unfortunately, Boris was in fact right. "IPSO has forced The Telegraph to amend a column Boris wrote in January in which he suggested No Deal was the most popular option with the public. A Remainer academic from Reading University complained to IPSO extraordinarily hysterically saying that Boris column was clearly out of the Trump/Bannon playbook. The piece has now been amended to say *** In fact, no poll clearly showed that a no-deal Brexit was more popular than the other options. This correction is being published following a complaint upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation. IPSO is mistaken on this point, IPSO clearly didnt look at this Opinium poll just before Boris wrote his column and as reported at the time by the BBC:" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 So its just more political witch huntin by remoaners., Like the* 'did leave overspend illegally' which the judge decided they did (accidentally) *after being advised to by the same body that then accused them*. They looked at the ones presented in evidence of what he said, if he didn't present it then its his fault, or it doesn't mean what you claim/ Given your recent history on posting I would say the latter is most likely. |
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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Unfortunately, Boris was in fact right. "IPSO has forced The Telegraph to amend a column Boris wrote in January in which he suggested No Deal was the most popular option with the public. A Remainer academic from Reading University complained to IPSO extraordinarily hysterically saying that Boris column was clearly out of the Trump/Bannon playbook. The piece has now been amended to say In fact, no poll clearly showed that a no-deal Brexit was more popular than the other options. This correction is being published following a complaint upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation. IPSO is mistaken on this point, IPSO clearly didnt look at this Opinium poll just before Boris wrote his column and as reported at the time by the BBC:" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 So its just more political witch huntin by remoaners., Like the 'did leave overspend illegally' which the judge decided they did (accidentally) *after being advised to by the same body that then accused them*. Hum. The non-leave without a deal vote was split by 5 other options. Now find a poll where there is a straight choice: leave no deal or remain. I like Boris but think he would make a poor PM. -- Tim Lamb |
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On 13/04/2019 08:41, Marland wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Unfortunately, Boris was in fact right. "IPSO has forced The Telegraph to amend a column Boris wrote in January in which he suggested No Deal was the most popular option with the public. A Remainer academic from Reading University complained to IPSO extraordinarily hysterically saying that Boris column was clearly out of the Trump/Bannon playbook. The piece has now been amended to say In fact, no poll clearly showed that a no-deal Brexit was more popular than the other options. This correction is being published following a complaint upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation. IPSO is mistaken on this point, IPSO clearly didnt look at this Opinium poll just before Boris wrote his column and as reported at the time by the BBC:" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 You have cast aspersions at reporting by the BBC accusing it of bias throughout the time of the Brexit debate if not before so why should we believe it is credible because this time you happen to want to use a report by them to support your P.O.V. Normally anything from the BBC you immediately shout down so why should we believe it this time. Beacuse it merely cut and pastd from an opinion poll. You are always claiming the BBC is iomparetuial, so why would you dispute that anyway? GH -- "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is true: it is true because it is powerful." Lucas Bergkamp |
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![]() "Nightjar" wrote in message ... On 13/04/2019 01:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Unfortunately, Boris was in fact right. "IPSO has forced The Telegraph to amend a column Boris wrote in January in which he suggested No Deal was the most popular option with the public. A Remainer academic from Reading University complained to IPSO extraordinarily hysterically saying that Boris column was clearly out of the Trump/Bannon playbook. The piece has now been amended to say In fact, no poll clearly showed that a no-deal Brexit was more popular than the other options. This correction is being published following a complaint upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation. IPSO is mistaken on this point, IPSO clearly didnt look at this Opinium poll just before Boris wrote his column and as reported at the time by the BBC:" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 A prime example of what the IPSO said the Telegraph had done: 'construed the polls as signalling support for a no deal, when in fact, this was the result of the publication either amalgamating several findings together or interpreting an option beyond what was set out by the poll, as being a finding in support of a no-deal Brexit' That is a poll of whether or not people support May's deal. It is not a poll of whether or not they support a no-deal Brexit. It shows that the deal is even more unpopular among remain voters than among leave voters. That suggests that a more accurate claim (if there is such a thing from a poll that doesn't actually ask the question) it would be that remaining is a more popular alternative to her deal than a no-deal Brexit. Pity we already know how useless polls are. Go knows how you lot managed to have an empire, presumably by not bothering with polls, or referendums and by not letting most of you even get a vote on anything. |
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On 13/04/2019 09:54, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Marland wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Unfortunately, Boris was in fact right. "IPSO has forced The Telegraph to amend a column Boris wrote in January in which he suggested No Deal was the most popular option with the public. A Remainer academic from Reading University complained to IPSO extraordinarily hysterically saying that Boris column was clearly out of the Trump/Bannon playbook. The piece has now been amended to say *** In fact, no poll clearly showed that a no-deal Brexit was more popular than the other options. This correction is being published following a complaint upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation. IPSO is mistaken on this point, IPSO clearly didnt look at this Opinium poll just before Boris wrote his column and as reported at the time by the BBC:" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 You have cast* aspersions at reporting by the BBC accusing it of bias throughout the time of the Brexit debate if not before* so why should we believe it is credible because this time you happen to want to use a report by them to support your P.O.V. Normally anything from the BBC you immediately shout down so why should we believe it this time. You mean you don't believe the BBC report as quoted by TNP above? TNP doesn't he keeps telling us the BBC always lie about brexit. |
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On 13/04/2019 10:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/04/2019 08:41, Marland wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Unfortunately, Boris was in fact right. "IPSO has forced The Telegraph to amend a column Boris wrote in January in which he suggested No Deal was the most popular option with the public. A Remainer academic from Reading University complained to IPSO extraordinarily hysterically saying that Boris column was clearly out of the Trump/Bannon playbook. The piece has now been amended to say **** In fact, no poll clearly showed that a no-deal Brexit was more popular than the other options. This correction is being published following a complaint upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation. IPSO is mistaken on this point, IPSO clearly didnt look at this Opinium poll just before Boris wrote his column and as reported at the time by the BBC:" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 You have cast* aspersions at reporting by the BBC accusing it of bias throughout the time of the Brexit debate if not before* so why should we believe it is credible because this time you happen to want to use a report by them to support your P.O.V. Normally anything from the BBC you immediately shout down so why should we believe it this time. Beacuse it merely cut and pastd from an opinion poll. You are always claiming the BBC is iomparetuial, so why would you dispute that anyway? GH The poll doesn't actually ask if no deal is preferred over the other options, only if its prefered to May's deal. You know this but still claim it backs Boris's claim that the public backs a no deal more, it doesn't say that which is why it wasn't used as evidence to back Boris's misinformation. |
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 19:26:07 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Pity we already know how useless polls are. No, "we" don't, senile asshole! Actually, they ARE quite useful. Go knows how you lot managed to have an empire, presumably by not bothering with polls, or referendums and by not letting most of you even get a vote on anything. Ridiculous senile bull****! -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: |
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Yes well that is what Lust does for you.
Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Nightjar" wrote in message ... The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 -- -- Colin Bignell |
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On 12/04/2019 22:56, TimW wrote:
On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 A small victory, but he isn't the only one to be spreading that particular lie - John Redwood recently. And it gets traction and is repeated by our own local idiots like turnip until the media feel they have to treat the crazy idea with respect. TW Now you understand Project Fear and why that ****ed so many people off... -- Email does not work |
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On 13/04/2019 11:31, Tim Watts wrote:
On 12/04/2019 22:56, TimW wrote: On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 A small victory, but he isn't the only one to be spreading that particular lie - John Redwood recently. And it gets traction and is repeated by our own local idiots like turnip until the media feel they have to treat the crazy idea with respect. TW Now you understand Project Fear and why that ****ed so many people off... Sadly of course Boris was only reporting what was in an opinion poll that the BBC published. Project fear is of course the atttack on Boris that caused the false retraction. -- "The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll look exactly the same afterwards." Billy Connolly |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 A prime example of what the IPSO said the Telegraph had done: 'construed the polls as signalling support for a no deal, when in fact, this was the result of the publication either amalgamating several findings together or interpreting an option beyond what was set out by the poll, as being a finding in support of a no-deal Brexit' That is a poll of whether or not people support May's deal. It is not a poll of whether or not they support a no-deal Brexit. It shows that the deal is even more unpopular among remain voters than among leave voters. That suggests that a more accurate claim (if there is such a thing from a poll that doesn't actually ask the question) it would be that remaining is a more popular alternative to her deal than a no-deal Brexit. That's the sort of fudging and interpreting and abbreviating that is done all the time in political reporting, especially where numbers are concerned. One could find a dozen examples of such "misreporting" every day. So why are IPSO so keen to jump on this tiny example? Two guesses. -- Evremonde |
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On 13/04/2019 11:31, Tim Watts wrote:
On 12/04/2019 22:56, TimW wrote: On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 A small victory, but he isn't the only one to be spreading that particular lie - John Redwood recently. And it gets traction and is repeated by our own local idiots like turnip until the media feel they have to treat the crazy idea with respect. TW Now you understand Project Fear and why that ****ed so many people off... Well that's why the brexiteers created project fear and still lie about it now. |
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On 13/04/2019 11:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
.... Sadly of course Boris was only mis-reporting what was in an opinion poll that the BBC published... There, I've corrected it for you. The BBC poll you provided a link to was only about whether people supported May's deal or not. It did not ask what alternative they supported instead. However, it is not likely that the remainers, who disliked the deal even more than the Brexiteers, would support a no-deal Brexit instead. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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On 13/04/2019 12:44, The Marquis Saint Evremonde wrote:
Nightjar posted *https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 A prime example of what the IPSO said the Telegraph had done: 'construed the polls as signalling support for a no deal, when in fact, this was the result of the publication either amalgamating several findings together or interpreting an option beyond what was set out by the poll, as being a finding in support of a no-deal Brexit' That is a poll of whether or not people support May's deal. It is not a poll of whether or not they support a no-deal Brexit. It shows that the deal is even more unpopular among remain voters than among leave voters. That suggests that a more accurate claim (if there is such a thing from a poll that doesn't actually ask the question) it would be that remaining is a more popular alternative to her deal than a no-deal Brexit. That's the sort of fudging and interpreting and abbreviating that is done all the time in political reporting, especially where numbers are concerned. One could find a dozen examples of such "misreporting" every day. So why are IPSO so keen to jump on this tiny example? Two guesses. Only one needed. Somebody complained and they are then obliged to investigate. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/04/2019 08:41, Marland wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 12/04/2019 19:44, Nightjar wrote: The press regulator has ordered the Telegraph to print a correction after ruling that Boris was wrong when he claimed in his column that a no-deal Brexit was the public's preferred option. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555 Unfortunately, Boris was in fact right. "IPSO has forced The Telegraph to amend a column Boris wrote in January in which he suggested No Deal was the most popular option with the public. A Remainer academic from Reading University complained to IPSO extraordinarily hysterically saying that Boris column was clearly out of the Trump/Bannon playbook. The piece has now been amended to say In fact, no poll clearly showed that a no-deal Brexit was more popular than the other options. This correction is being published following a complaint upheld by the Independent Press Standards Organisation. IPSO is mistaken on this point, IPSO clearly didnt look at this Opinium poll just before Boris wrote his column and as reported at the time by the BBC:" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46735713 You have cast aspersions at reporting by the BBC accusing it of bias throughout the time of the Brexit debate if not before so why should we believe it is credible because this time you happen to want to use a report by them to support your P.O.V. Normally anything from the BBC you immediately shout down so why should we believe it this time. Beacuse it merely cut and pastd from an opinion poll. You are always claiming the BBC is iomparetuial, so why would you dispute that anyway? GH I dont think I have ever mentioned any opinion on the BBC before so I dont see where you get always claiming the BBC is ( some misspelt word) from . As a self professed expert on the most things you should have no trouble finding any post I have made from the past to back up your statement so please do so, and repost it here ,Ill look back tomorrow to see if you have managed to do so otherwise your statement will just have to be regarded as yet another example of inaccurate lying bull**** so beloved of Brexiteers in the furtherance of their cause. GH GH |
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Marland wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 13/04/2019 08:41, Marland wrote: Normally anything from the BBC you immediately shout down so why should we believe it this time. Beacuse it merely cut and pastd from an opinion poll. You are always claiming the BBC is iomparetuial, so why would you dispute that anyway? GH I dont think I have ever mentioned any opinion on the BBC before so I dont see where you get always claiming the BBC is ( some misspelt word) from . As a self professed expert on the most things you should have no trouble finding any post I have made from the past to back up your statement so please do so, and repost it here ,Ill look back tomorrow to see if you have managed to do so otherwise your statement will just have to be regarded as yet another example of inaccurate lying bull**** so beloved of Brexiteers in the furtherance of their cause. GH So , no evidence of any previous occasions where I have mentioned the BBC in previous postings yet to justify your phrase of you are always claiming the BBC is ( impartial presumably). Thats because I had never mentioned them before which means you are a lying **** who makes things up. GH |
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On 14/04/2019 21:43, Marland wrote:
Thats because I had never mentioned them before which means you are a lying **** who makes things up. Thats a mirror you are looking into, dear. -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/04/2019 21:43, Marland wrote: Thats because I had never mentioned them before which means you are a lying **** who makes things up. Thats a mirror you are looking into, dear. Find an example of when I have brought up the BBC before to justify you assertion of always You cant so you were wrong no matter how many insults you throw back hoping to disguise your statement like so many of yours is tailored to your beliefs rather than fact. As for mirrors with your bad luck with marriage,health and Brexit not going how you wish you must have broken one about 7 years ago. GH |
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