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Alternatives to the discontinued Screwfix Turbo Ultra stainless screws
Screwfix have discontinued their Turbo Ultra stainless steel screws
and I'm looking for alternatives - without much success at the moment. While Turbo Ultra screws weren't perfect (it is easy to damage the heads and also to shear them in hard[ish] wood) they were my preferred screws for general outdoor use. As I said, I'm looking for alternatives now as my stocks of Turbo Ultra run out. Requirements a- Stainless (obviously) A2 is fine, A4 would be OK but more expensive I think Easy driving without pilot hole This is the real stumbling block with most alternatives, the deep thread and 'rifling' with a cutting groove at the point seems to be very rare in stainless. Pozidriv for preference Not vital, Torx or square would be OK, but pozi is 'easier to find' in dark inaccessible places. Good range of sizes, especially in 5mm I'm getting very short of 5x60, 5x70 and 5x80 screws in particular. The best alternative I've found so far are Axminster's Woodspur A4 stainless screws but: A4/expensive, not pozi and not available in 5x70 or 5x80 (or larger). Any suggestions anyone? -- Chris Green · |
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On 18/02/2019 18:33, Chris Green wrote:
Any suggestions anyone? Toolstation do a load of Spax SS screws but I wouldn't call them cheap. |
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dennis@home wrote:
On 18/02/2019 18:33, Chris Green wrote: Any suggestions anyone? Toolstation do a load of Spax SS screws but I wouldn't call them cheap. No, they're not [cheap] are they! ... and I don't think they have the 'cutter' tip. -- Chris Green · |
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On 18/02/2019 21:19, Chris Green wrote:
dennis@home wrote: On 18/02/2019 18:33, Chris Green wrote: Any suggestions anyone? Toolstation do a load of Spax SS screws but I wouldn't call them cheap. No, they're not [cheap] are they! ... and I don't think they have the 'cutter' tip. Some do. |
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Alternatives to the discontinued Screwfix Turbo Ultra stainlessscrews
On 18/02/2019 18:33, Chris Green wrote:
Screwfix have discontinued their Turbo Ultra stainless steel screws and I'm looking for alternatives - without much success at the moment. While Turbo Ultra screws weren't perfect (it is easy to damage the heads and also to shear them in hard[ish] wood) they were my preferred screws for general outdoor use. As I said, I'm looking for alternatives now as my stocks of Turbo Ultra run out. Requirements a- Stainless (obviously) A2 is fine, A4 would be OK but more expensive I think Easy driving without pilot hole This is the real stumbling block with most alternatives, the deep thread and 'rifling' with a cutting groove at the point seems to be very rare in stainless. Pozidriv for preference Not vital, Torx or square would be OK, but pozi is 'easier to find' in dark inaccessible places. Good range of sizes, especially in 5mm I'm getting very short of 5x60, 5x70 and 5x80 screws in particular. The best alternative I've found so far are Axminster's Woodspur A4 stainless screws but: A4/expensive, not pozi and not available in 5x70 or 5x80 (or larger). Any suggestions anyone? checked your local B&Q for clearance stock? -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know, I very much doubt if Screw thingy make their own screws, they probably buy them in from some company that supplies them by the zillion. Often they can pop up elsewhere under different brands. II used to find this a lot when I could see. The sheds stopped something but it was then available from another distributor. Yes, but I've never seen any screws that look at all like Screwfix's Turbo Gold or Turbo Ultra, they're immediately recognisable. One does wonder if Screwfix are big enough to demand sort of trade mark rights over these designs. -- Chris Green · |
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"Chris Green" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: You know, I very much doubt if Screw thingy make their own screws, they probably buy them in from some company that supplies them by the zillion. Often they can pop up elsewhere under different brands. II used to find this a lot when I could see. The sheds stopped something but it was then available from another distributor. Yes, but I've never seen any screws that look at all like Screwfix's Turbo Gold or Turbo Ultra, they're immediately recognisable. One does wonder if Screwfix are big enough to demand sort of trade mark rights over these designs. Trade marks have nothing to do with the size of the operation except in the sense that the bigger operations can afford the cost of trademarks. |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rot Speed!
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 05:15:46 +1100, 2987fr, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote: Yes, but I've never seen any screws that look at all like Screwfix's Turbo Gold or Turbo Ultra, they're immediately recognisable. One does wonder if Screwfix are big enough to demand sort of trade mark rights over these designs. Trade marks have nothing to do with the size of the operation except in the sense that the bigger operations can afford the cost of trademarks. Nonsense, senile idiot! -- Sqwertz to Rot Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 05:15:46 +1100, 2987fr wrote:
"Chris Green" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: You know, I very much doubt if Screw thingy make their own screws, they probably buy them in from some company that supplies them by the zillion. Often they can pop up elsewhere under different brands. II used to find this a lot when I could see. The sheds stopped something but it was then available from another distributor. Yes, but I've never seen any screws that look at all like Screwfix's Turbo Gold or Turbo Ultra, they're immediately recognisable. One does wonder if Screwfix are big enough to demand sort of trade mark rights over these designs. Trade marks have nothing to do with the size of the operation except in the sense that the bigger operations can afford the cost of trademarks. And I think he really means copyright, anyway. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 19/02/2019 20:13, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 05:15:46 +1100, 2987fr wrote: "Chris Green" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: You know, I very much doubt if Screw thingy make their own screws, they probably buy them in from some company that supplies them by the zillion. Often they can pop up elsewhere under different brands. II used to find this a lot when I could see. The sheds stopped something but it was then available from another distributor. Yes, but I've never seen any screws that look at all like Screwfix's Turbo Gold or Turbo Ultra, they're immediately recognisable. One does wonder if Screwfix are big enough to demand sort of trade mark rights over these designs. Trade marks have nothing to do with the size of the operation except in the sense that the bigger operations can afford the cost of trademarks. And I think he really means copyright, anyway. I'd expect registered design https://www.gov.uk/register-a-design -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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"Bob Eager" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 05:15:46 +1100, 2987fr wrote: "Chris Green" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: You know, I very much doubt if Screw thingy make their own screws, they probably buy them in from some company that supplies them by the zillion. Often they can pop up elsewhere under different brands. II used to find this a lot when I could see. The sheds stopped something but it was then available from another distributor. Yes, but I've never seen any screws that look at all like Screwfix's Turbo Gold or Turbo Ultra, they're immediately recognisable. One does wonder if Screwfix are big enough to demand sort of trade mark rights over these designs. Trade marks have nothing to do with the size of the operation except in the sense that the bigger operations can afford the cost of trademarks. And I think he really means copyright, anyway. Trouble with that line is the copyright is free. You just have to claim it. He actually means a registered design which isnt necessarily that cheap. |
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Alternatives to the discontinued Screwfix Turbo Ultra stainless screws
2987fr wrote:
"Chris Green" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: You know, I very much doubt if Screw thingy make their own screws, they probably buy them in from some company that supplies them by the zillion. Often they can pop up elsewhere under different brands. II used to find this a lot when I could see. The sheds stopped something but it was then available from another distributor. Yes, but I've never seen any screws that look at all like Screwfix's Turbo Gold or Turbo Ultra, they're immediately recognisable. One does wonder if Screwfix are big enough to demand sort of trade mark rights over these designs. Trade marks have nothing to do with the size of the operation except in the sense that the bigger operations can afford the cost of trademarks. I did say "sort of trade mark", what I meant was that Screwfix are maybe big enough to demand that suppliers don't supply the same screws to other sellers. As I said I've certainly never seen anything that looks like either TurboGold or TurboUltra screws except the real thing. -- Chris Green · |
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"Chris Green" wrote in message ... 2987fr wrote: "Chris Green" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: You know, I very much doubt if Screw thingy make their own screws, they probably buy them in from some company that supplies them by the zillion. Often they can pop up elsewhere under different brands. II used to find this a lot when I could see. The sheds stopped something but it was then available from another distributor. Yes, but I've never seen any screws that look at all like Screwfix's Turbo Gold or Turbo Ultra, they're immediately recognisable. One does wonder if Screwfix are big enough to demand sort of trade mark rights over these designs. Trade marks have nothing to do with the size of the operation except in the sense that the bigger operations can afford the cost of trademarks. I did say "sort of trade mark", what I meant was that Screwfix are maybe big enough to demand that suppliers don't supply the same screws to other sellers. It has nothing to do with trademarks and it doesnt work like that. As I said I've certainly never seen anything that looks like either TurboGold or TurboUltra screws except the real thing. Sure, but thats a separate issue to whether Screwfix has monstered anyone into not producing any like that. Its easy to have a registered design. |
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