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Combination lock for outside door - is this Yale any good?
I want a simple 'no key' lock for a large garage door (one piece, so
lock next to wall, not in the middle of a pair of doors). It doesn't have to be incredibly secure, what I'm after is something similar to the push button mechanical lock we have on our stable door. Has anyone any experience of this Yale combination bolt:- https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/...ing-Bolt-120Mm What other options are there? Can you get 'large' versions of the push button latches? The standard door ones would be a bit lightweight for the garage door. -- Chris Green · |
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On 07/02/2019 17:42, Chris Green wrote:
I want a simple 'no key' lock for a large garage door (one piece, so lock next to wall, not in the middle of a pair of doors). *It doesn't have to be incredibly secure*, what I'm after is something similar to the push button mechanical lock we have on our stable door. Any external bolt, like the one you linked to, is extremely easy to get through with an angle grinder. I got though a Chubb high security mortice lock on an outward opening door in 3 minutes with the 9" angle grinder. That Yale bolt looks like it would take only a few seconds. |
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GB wrote:
On 07/02/2019 17:42, Chris Green wrote: I want a simple 'no key' lock for a large garage door (one piece, so lock next to wall, not in the middle of a pair of doors). *It doesn't have to be incredibly secure*, what I'm after is something similar to the push button mechanical lock we have on our stable door. Any external bolt, like the one you linked to, is extremely easy to get through with an angle grinder. I got though a Chubb high security mortice lock on an outward opening door in 3 minutes with the 9" angle grinder. That Yale bolt looks like it would take only a few seconds. That's true of all our garage doors anyway, the stable door is so flimsy you'd only have to push hard and it would disintegrate. As I said, I'm not after high security, just a way of not leaving it open really, stop our own family etc. So are there any non-external locks/bolts suitable for a garage door with no-key locking? -- Chris Green · |
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On Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:48:06 UTC, Chris Green wrote:
I want a simple 'no key' lock for a large garage door (one piece, so lock next to wall, not in the middle of a pair of doors). It doesn't have to be incredibly secure, what I'm after is something similar to the push button mechanical lock we have on our stable door. Has anyone any experience of this Yale combination bolt:- https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/...ing-Bolt-120Mm What other options are there? Can you get 'large' versions of the push button latches? The standard door ones would be a bit lightweight for the garage door. -- Chris Green · The weak point in many garages/outbuildings is the roof which is often very flimsy. No point in having just one part of a building super secure. |
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Combination lock for outside door - is this Yale any good?
I think they are only meant to deter the opportunist, nut the determined,
but if its a barn then sureley you would probably not open the door, simply drive a vehicle in through the side? Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "GB" wrote in message ... On 07/02/2019 17:42, Chris Green wrote: I want a simple 'no key' lock for a large garage door (one piece, so lock next to wall, not in the middle of a pair of doors). *It doesn't have to be incredibly secure*, what I'm after is something similar to the push button mechanical lock we have on our stable door. Any external bolt, like the one you linked to, is extremely easy to get through with an angle grinder. I got though a Chubb high security mortice lock on an outward opening door in 3 minutes with the 9" angle grinder. That Yale bolt looks like it would take only a few seconds. |
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Combination lock for outside door - is this Yale any good?
harry wrote:
On Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:48:06 UTC, Chris Green wrote: I want a simple 'no key' lock for a large garage door (one piece, so lock next to wall, not in the middle of a pair of doors). It doesn't have to be incredibly secure, what I'm after is something similar to the push button mechanical lock we have on our stable door. Has anyone any experience of this Yale combination bolt:- https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/...ing-Bolt-120Mm What other options are there? Can you get 'large' versions of the push button latches? The standard door ones would be a bit lightweight for the garage door. -- Chris Green · The weak point in many garages/outbuildings is the roof which is often very flimsy. No point in having just one part of a building super secure. Goodness, why is everyone trying to tell me how secure (or not) my garage should be! I just want a way to 'lock' (as in prevent passers by, children, etc. entering) the door. Security is a non-issue hereabouts (happily), we quite often forget to shut the garage doors overnight and have never had anything taken in the twenty years or more that we have been here. The side door to the garage is rarely locked, neither are our shed doors and there are tools and such in the sheds. But I do want to be able to lock the door a *bit* more securely than just latching it. I've actually come the conclusion that an 'ordinary' mechanical button operated lock this like this will work fine:- https://www.screwfix.com/p/codelocks...ton-lock/4103t We have a similar (but probably 'light duty') one on the stable door and that has served well for many years, I was hoping to find something with a more substantial bolt (more for ease of fitting than security) but there's nothing I can see at a sensible price and the above one ticks all the other boxes. -- Chris Green · |
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Combination lock for outside door - is this Yale any good?
On Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:48:06 UTC, Chris Green wrote:
What other options are there? Can you get 'large' versions of the push button latches? The standard door ones would be a bit lightweight for the garage door. You can get combination padlocks (some quite heavy duty) which can be used in conjunction with ordinary padbolts / Brenton bolt latches (which can be bolted through a wooden door or welded to a metal one) If the Yale combination bolt works the same way as https://www.screwfix.com/p/squire-di...olt-50mm/27477 one drawback is that if you give the number to anyone so they have access or can leave a parcel, it's very easy for them to reset the lock to a different combination that you don't know. Owain |
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Combination lock for outside door - is this Yale any good?
On 08/02/2019 10:00, Chris Green wrote:
I've actually come the conclusion that an 'ordinary' mechanical button operated lock this like this will work fine:- https://www.screwfix.com/p/codelocks...ton-lock/4103t We have a similar (but probably 'light duty') one on the stable door and that has served well for many years, I was hoping to find something with a more substantial bolt (more for ease of fitting than security) but there's nothing I can see at a sensible price and the above one ticks all the other boxes. I was wondering what's wrong with a hasp and combination padlock? |
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Combination lock for outside door - is this Yale any good?
GB wrote:
On 08/02/2019 10:00, Chris Green wrote: I've actually come the conclusion that an 'ordinary' mechanical button operated lock this like this will work fine:- https://www.screwfix.com/p/codelocks...ton-lock/4103t We have a similar (but probably 'light duty') one on the stable door and that has served well for many years, I was hoping to find something with a more substantial bolt (more for ease of fitting than security) but there's nothing I can see at a sensible price and the above one ticks all the other boxes. I was wondering what's wrong with a hasp and combination padlock? Nothing in principle but less handy to use than a push button type lock. A hasp and padlock sort of integrated into a single device would be OK though. -- Chris Green · |
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Combination lock for outside door - is this Yale any good?
On 08/02/2019 10:00, Chris Green wrote:
I've actually come the conclusion that an 'ordinary' mechanical button operated lock this like this will work fine:- https://www.screwfix.com/p/codelocks...ton-lock/4103t NOT applicable for your application but those type of locks can be very insecure as well. They may have 4 digit combination but often it doesn't matter in which order you press the 4 number buttons. Unless the code is changed regularly or the buttons are regularly cleaned it can become obvious which 4 buttons are being used. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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Combination lock for outside door - is this Yale any good?
alan_m wrote:
On 08/02/2019 10:00, Chris Green wrote: I've actually come the conclusion that an 'ordinary' mechanical button operated lock this like this will work fine:- https://www.screwfix.com/p/codelocks...ton-lock/4103t NOT applicable for your application but those type of locks can be very insecure as well. They may have 4 digit combination but often it doesn't matter in which order you press the 4 number buttons. Unless the code is changed regularly or the buttons are regularly cleaned it can become obvious which 4 buttons are being used. They are all 'non-sequential' as they call it, but most do have more than just the 0-9 buttons, they have a couple of letters that can be part of the combination too. Our stable door one is stainless steel finish and, even after quite a few years, doesn't really show which buttons have been used most. So, not *very* secure no, I quite agree, but adequate for what I want. As an aside our garage electronic push button keypads are much worse as regards showing which buttons have been used, it's very obvious. The only saving grace is that the code is unique and has to be entered exactly as the right number. -- Chris Green · |
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