Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

You can't really "stop this happening again", gravel (or similar)
drives need maintenance and 'stuff like soil' will always build up
over time.

Our gravel drive has become easier to keep weed free as it has become
more compacted (which does need fine material, whether sand or soil)
but, especially around the edges where it is still looser it needs
fairly regular weed killing.

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If you put down anti weed membrane and then at least 50mm of gravel on top this will not prevent soil (usually composted Leaves) from filling inbetween the individual gravel but it will prevent weeds from developing deep roots making them easy to remove either by pulling out or chemical gardening.

Richard

On Thursday, 10 January 2019 13:29:14 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

Bill

The only solution is tarmac.
I have blocks. Weeds grow in the cracks, need dealing with twice a year.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 10 January 2019 13:29:14 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

The only solution is tarmac.

Wrong, concrete works fine.

I have blocks. Weeds grow in the cracks, need dealing with twice a year.

On Thursday, 10 January 2019 13:29:14 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

Bill

you won't stop it happening.


NT

On 10/01/2019 13:29, Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

The moss is there because of poor drainage. Soil will invariably find
its way into the gravel by being wind borne dust and also breakdown of
leaves that fall on the path and get run over by vehicles.

Around 4" layer of limestone might be deep enough to drain cleanly. It
is much worse if the area is north facing and so stays wet for longer.

--
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Martin Brown

Bill Wright Wrote in message:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

Bill


Waste from Windscale mixed in with the new gravel?

Tarmac.
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Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

Bill
Pressure washer ?

On 10/01/19 13:29, Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

You may have to forgo the DIY bit and get a pro in to spray the drive
with a specialist weedkiller and germination preventer. See, for
example, "Paradise" and "Chikara" he
https://www.progreen.co.uk/problem/driveway-weeds

It /might/ be possible for you to get some and DIY, but they aren't
cheap and the spraying will have to be repeated after 6 months.

--

Jeff

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:39:20 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

You can't really "stop this happening again", gravel (or similar)
drives need maintenance and 'stuff like soil' will always build up
over time.

Yep. Just tell your gardener to keep it clear. They'll just have to
regulary hand weed it(*) or rake it.

(*) or every time a weed becomes big enough to pull, pull it.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 10/01/19 13:29, Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

You may have to forgo the DIY bit and get a pro in to spray the drive
with a specialist weedkiller and germination preventer. See, for
example, "Paradise" and "Chikara" he
https://www.progreen.co.uk/problem/driveway-weeds

It /might/ be possible for you to get some and DIY, but they aren't
cheap and the spraying will have to be repeated after 6 months.

If you're as old as me you may be able to go on a 'Grandfather
Rights' training course and become licensed/legal to spray effective
weedkiller yourself. This is what I did and so I can now continue to
spray herbicide on our fields (to keep the ragwort down) and on our
drive to kill everything. The people who sell bulk herbicide do now
actually check if you are qualified/licensed (though I'm not sure how
thoroughly).

--
Chris Green
·

On 10/01/2019 13:29, Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

Bill

Limestone is completely wrong for vehicular hardstanding.
It isn't strong enough to withstand being crushed and ends
up looking like numpty diy concrete where the wheels have
flattened it.

then the moss and weeds take hold ....

On 11/01/19 10:06, Chris Green wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote:
On 10/01/19 13:29, Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

You may have to forgo the DIY bit and get a pro in to spray the drive
with a specialist weedkiller and germination preventer. See, for
example, "Paradise" and "Chikara" he
https://www.progreen.co.uk/problem/driveway-weeds

It /might/ be possible for you to get some and DIY, but they aren't
cheap and the spraying will have to be repeated after 6 months.

If you're as old as me you may be able to go on a 'Grandfather
Rights' training course and become licensed/legal to spray effective
weedkiller yourself. This is what I did and so I can now continue to
spray herbicide on our fields (to keep the ragwort down) and on our
drive to kill everything. The people who sell bulk herbicide do now
actually check if you are qualified/licensed (though I'm not sure how
thoroughly).

True, but obtaining certification isn't cheap - around £500 - 600. See
bottom of page he
https://www.newlandstraining.co.uk/pesticide-application/grandfather-rights/

--

Jeff

Chris Green wrote:

If you're as old as me you may be able to go on a 'Grandfather
Rights' training course and become licensed/legal to spray effective
weedkiller yourself. This is what I did and so I can now continue to
spray herbicide on our fields (to keep the ragwort down) and on our
drive to kill everything.

Your grandfather rights exemption expired 3+ years ago ...

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pesticides/topics/using-pesticides/codes-of-practice/guidance-sustainable-use-ppp-regs-2012.htm

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 11/01/19 10:06, Chris Green wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote:
On 10/01/19 13:29, Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

You may have to forgo the DIY bit and get a pro in to spray the drive
with a specialist weedkiller and germination preventer. See, for
example, "Paradise" and "Chikara" he
https://www.progreen.co.uk/problem/driveway-weeds

It /might/ be possible for you to get some and DIY, but they aren't
cheap and the spraying will have to be repeated after 6 months.

If you're as old as me you may be able to go on a 'Grandfather
Rights' training course and become licensed/legal to spray effective
weedkiller yourself. This is what I did and so I can now continue to
spray herbicide on our fields (to keep the ragwort down) and on our
drive to kill everything. The people who sell bulk herbicide do now
actually check if you are qualified/licensed (though I'm not sure how
thoroughly).

True, but obtaining certification isn't cheap - around £500 - 600. See
bottom of page he
https://www.newlandstraining.co.uk/pesticide-application/grandfather-rights/

Mine cost somewhat less than that, around £350/400 if I remember right
at my local Suffolk Agricultural College.

--
Chris Green
·

"Dave Liquorice" Wrote in message:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:39:20 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

You can't really "stop this happening again", gravel (or similar)
drives need maintenance and 'stuff like soil' will always build up
over time.

Yep. Just tell your gardener to keep it clear. They'll just have to
regulary hand weed it(*) or rake it.

(*) or every time a weed becomes big enough to pull, pull it.


Gardener?
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Chris Hogg Wrote in message:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:22:49 +0000 (GMT+00:00), "Jim K.."
wrote:

Bill Wright Wrote in message:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

Bill


Waste from Windscale mixed in with the new gravel?

Bottom heat promotes propagation and growth!


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Andy Burns wrote:
Chris Green wrote:

If you're as old as me you may be able to go on a 'Grandfather
Rights' training course and become licensed/legal to spray effective
weedkiller yourself. This is what I did and so I can now continue to
spray herbicide on our fields (to keep the ragwort down) and on our
drive to kill everything.

Your grandfather rights exemption expired 3+ years ago ...

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pesticides/topics/using-pesticides/codes-of-practice/guidance-sustainable-use-ppp-regs-2012.htm

Yes, I know, that's why I needed to go on a course and get qualified!

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But how does one get rid of moss in a lawn which is often very very wet?
Brian

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If you put down anti weed membrane and then at least 50mm of gravel on top
this will not prevent soil (usually composted Leaves) from filling inbetween
the individual gravel but it will prevent weeds from developing deep roots
making them easy to remove either by pulling out or chemical gardening.

Richard

Brian Gaff wrote:

But how does one get rid of moss in a lawn which is often very very wet?

You kill it with ferrous sulphate ... but that leaves the question of
how you get rid of the moss, which is now dead and black.

On Friday, 11 January 2019 12:20:39 UTC, Andrew wrote:
On 10/01/2019 13:29, Bill Wright wrote:
Well, it isn't really gravel. It's limestone, mostly one inch lumps. The
limestone is a couple of inches deep, then there's six to nine inches of
rubble underneath. There's 187 sq metres. In places moss has grown. I've
killed the moss but under it the stone has a lot of soil mixed in,
somehow. I'll have to scrape all this off and put new stone down, but
how can I stop this happening again? I was wondering about waiting until
the dry weather and getting some sort of blow torch thing? Ideas?

Bill

Limestone is completely wrong for vehicular hardstanding.
It isn't strong enough to withstand being crushed and ends
up looking like numpty diy concrete where the wheels have
flattened it.

then the moss and weeds take hold ....

The hardness of limestone is very variable.