Volvo C70 mk 2 2006 - changing rear brake pads.

The last time I changed brake pads was about 40 years ago on my MGB, and
things seem more complicated now.

I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with a
G clamp?

Also, I tried putting fine nosed pliers in the two holes and turning
those, but there's absolutely no movement whatsoever. Is it really meant
to be that hard to turn?

Finally, I released the handbrake before starting. Is there an
adjustment on the handbrake that I have to slacken off before I retract
the caliper? I'm reluctant to pull the gaiter off from the handbrake
because it's a bit elderly and looks like it will split. So, I won't try
unless I have to.

Thanks.

On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
Volvo C70 mk 2 2006 - changing rear brake pads.

The last time I changed brake pads was about 40 years ago on my MGB, and
things seem more complicated now.

I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with a
G clamp?

you can't ....stupid handbrake design in my opinion.....they should do
it the merc way ....

On 04/08/2018 22:14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
Volvo C70 mk 2 2006 - changing rear brake pads.

The last time I changed brake pads was about 40 years ago on my MGB,
and things seem more complicated now.

I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with
a G clamp?

you can't ....stupid handbrake design in my opinion.....they should do
it the merc way ....

Would that be the same "way" as the Porsche, Toyota (Celica/Corolla
Verso VVTi), Nissan 300ZX/200SX/others, many others. A disc with 6" drum
parking brake in the rotor hub. Just stops drunks pushing it around the
car park and although quite ineffective at speed there is always one
shoe that self servos when parked on hills. Not much better than the
brakes (2x 6" drums) on a 1958 BSA C15 and they were woeful even for a 2
1/2 cwt bike that could barely scrape up 70mph never mind a 30 cwt car.

On Sunday, 5 August 2018 06:54:56 UTC+1, Peter Hill wrote:
On 04/08/2018 22:14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
Volvo C70 mk 2 2006 - changing rear brake pads.

The last time I changed brake pads was about 40 years ago on my MGB,
and things seem more complicated now.

I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with
a G clamp?

you can't ....stupid handbrake design in my opinion.....they should do
it the merc way ....

Would that be the same "way" as the Porsche, Toyota (Celica/Corolla
Verso VVTi), Nissan 300ZX/200SX/others, many others. A disc with 6" drum
parking brake in the rotor hub. Just stops drunks pushing it around the
car park and although quite ineffective at speed there is always one
shoe that self servos when parked on hills. Not much better than the
brakes (2x 6" drums) on a 1958 BSA C15 and they were woeful even for a 2
1/2 cwt bike that could barely scrape up 70mph never mind a 30 cwt car.

whoever specified those as legal screwed up. They're as good as no handbrake for hill starts & hill parking, yet legal.


NT

On 05/08/2018 06:54, Peter Hill wrote:
On 04/08/2018 22:14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
Volvo C70 mk 2 2006 - changing rear brake pads.

The last time I changed brake pads was about 40 years ago on my MGB,
and things seem more complicated now.

I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with
a G clamp?

you can't ....stupid handbrake design in my opinion.....they should do
it the merc way ....

Would that be the same "way" as the Porsche, Toyota (Celica/Corolla
Verso VVTi), Nissan 300ZX/200SX/others, many others. A disc with 6" drum
parking brake in the rotor hub. Just stops drunks pushing it around the
car park and although quite ineffective at speed there is always one
shoe that self servos when parked on hills. Not much better than the
brakes (2x 6" drums) on a 1958 BSA C15 and they were woeful even for a 2
1/2 cwt bike that could barely scrape up 70mph never mind a 30 cwt car.


nah mercs are bigger .....and work well which is more than can be said
for the volvo design where when everything cools down the handbrake lets
go....

On 05/08/2018 07:13, wrote:
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 06:54:56 UTC+1, Peter Hill wrote:
On 04/08/2018 22:14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
Volvo C70 mk 2 2006 - changing rear brake pads.

The last time I changed brake pads was about 40 years ago on my MGB,
and things seem more complicated now.

I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with
a G clamp?

you can't ....stupid handbrake design in my opinion.....they should do
it the merc way ....

Would that be the same "way" as the Porsche, Toyota (Celica/Corolla
Verso VVTi), Nissan 300ZX/200SX/others, many others. A disc with 6" drum
parking brake in the rotor hub. Just stops drunks pushing it around the
car park and although quite ineffective at speed there is always one
shoe that self servos when parked on hills. Not much better than the
brakes (2x 6" drums) on a 1958 BSA C15 and they were woeful even for a 2
1/2 cwt bike that could barely scrape up 70mph never mind a 30 cwt car.

whoever specified those as legal screwed up. They're as good as no handbrake for hill starts & hill parking, yet legal.


NT

disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

On Sunday, 5 August 2018 12:39:25 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 07:13, tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 06:54:56 UTC+1, Peter Hill wrote:
On 04/08/2018 22:14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
Volvo C70 mk 2 2006 - changing rear brake pads.

The last time I changed brake pads was about 40 years ago on my MGB,
and things seem more complicated now.

I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with
a G clamp?

you can't ....stupid handbrake design in my opinion.....they should do
it the merc way ....

Would that be the same "way" as the Porsche, Toyota (Celica/Corolla
Verso VVTi), Nissan 300ZX/200SX/others, many others. A disc with 6" drum
parking brake in the rotor hub. Just stops drunks pushing it around the
car park and although quite ineffective at speed there is always one
shoe that self servos when parked on hills. Not much better than the
brakes (2x 6" drums) on a 1958 BSA C15 and they were woeful even for a 2
1/2 cwt bike that could barely scrape up 70mph never mind a 30 cwt car.

whoever specified those as legal screwed up. They're as good as no handbrake for hill starts & hill parking, yet legal.


NT

disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

NT

On 05/08/2018 14:32, wrote:
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 12:39:25 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 07:13, tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 06:54:56 UTC+1, Peter Hill wrote:
On 04/08/2018 22:14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
Volvo C70 mk 2 2006 - changing rear brake pads.

The last time I changed brake pads was about 40 years ago on my MGB,
and things seem more complicated now.

I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with
a G clamp?

you can't ....stupid handbrake design in my opinion.....they should do
it the merc way ....

Would that be the same "way" as the Porsche, Toyota (Celica/Corolla
Verso VVTi), Nissan 300ZX/200SX/others, many others. A disc with 6" drum
parking brake in the rotor hub. Just stops drunks pushing it around the
car park and although quite ineffective at speed there is always one
shoe that self servos when parked on hills. Not much better than the
brakes (2x 6" drums) on a 1958 BSA C15 and they were woeful even for a 2
1/2 cwt bike that could barely scrape up 70mph never mind a 30 cwt car.

whoever specified those as legal screwed up. They're as good as no handbrake for hill starts & hill parking, yet legal.


NT

disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

NT

they let go when they cool down.......

On 05/08/2018 16:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 14:32, wrote:
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 12:39:25 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ...Â* wrote:
On 05/08/2018 07:13, tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 06:54:56 UTC+1, Peter HillÂ* wrote:
On 04/08/2018 22:14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
Volvo C70 mk 2 2006 - changing rear brake pads.

The last time I changed brake pads was about 40 years ago on my MGB,
and things seem more complicated now.

I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back
with
a G clamp?

you can't ....stupid handbrake design in my opinion.....they
should do
it the merc way ....

Would that be the same "way" as the Porsche, Toyota (Celica/Corolla
Verso VVTi), Nissan 300ZX/200SX/others, many others. A disc with 6"
drum
parking brake in the rotor hub. Just stops drunks pushing it around
the
car park and although quite ineffective at speed there is always one
shoe that self servos when parked on hills. Not much better than the
brakes (2x 6" drums) on a 1958 BSA C15 and they were woeful even
for a 2
1/2 cwt bike that could barely scrape up 70mph never mind a 30 cwt
car.

whoever specified those as legal screwed up. They're as good as no
handbrake for hill starts & hill parking, yet legal.


NT

disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

NT

they let go when they cool down.......

and you have to buy a rewind kit as the OP has found out....I could have
loaned him mine.....got it for my sn95 mustang which had a very bad
parking brake design which MOT testers allowed for thank god it always
just scraped it ...........hope to use it on my 2012 mustang when
needed.....

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
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On 05/08/2018 06:54, Peter Hill wrote:
On 04/08/2018 22:14, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
Volvo C70 mk 2 2006 - changing rear brake pads.

The last time I changed brake pads was about 40 years ago on my MGB,
and things seem more complicated now.

I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with a
G clamp?

you can't ....stupid handbrake design in my opinion.....they should do
it the merc way ....

Would that be the same "way" as the Porsche, Toyota (Celica/Corolla Verso
VVTi), Nissan 300ZX/200SX/others, many others. A disc with 6" drum
parking brake in the rotor hub. Just stops drunks pushing it around the
car park and although quite ineffective at speed there is always one shoe
that self servos when parked on hills. Not much better than the brakes
(2x 6" drums) on a 1958 BSA C15 and they were woeful even for a 2 1/2 cwt
bike that could barely scrape up 70mph never mind a 30 cwt car.


nah mercs are bigger .....and work well which is more than can be said for
the volvo design where when everything cools down the handbrake lets
go....

best to leave it in gear....

On 05/08/2018 16:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 14:32, wrote:


disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

NT

they let go when they cool down.......

Never had a problem on my CXs

On Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:15:49 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 05/08/2018 16:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 14:32, tabbypurr wrote:

disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

they let go when they cool down.......

Never had a problem on my CXs

Cables have stretch / springiness, which I'd expect to make the effect of disc brake parts contracting as they they cool unnoticeable. BICBW.


NT

"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/08/2018 16:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 14:32, wrote:


disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

NT

they let go when they cool down.......

Never had a problem on my CXs

lucky you

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On Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:15:49 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 05/08/2018 16:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 14:32, tabbypurr wrote:

disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

they let go when they cool down.......

Never had a problem on my CXs

Cables have stretch / springiness, which I'd expect to make the effect of
disc brake parts contracting as they they cool unnoticeable. BICBW.


NT

https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=65.0;wap2

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/l...rolls-13346958

On Monday, 6 August 2018 08:16:55 UTC+1, Jimbo wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
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On Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:15:49 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 05/08/2018 16:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 14:32, tabbypurr wrote:

disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

they let go when they cool down.......

Never had a problem on my CXs

Cables have stretch / springiness, which I'd expect to make the effect of
disc brake parts contracting as they they cool unnoticeable. BICBW.


NT

https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=65.0;wap2

a case of a weak handbrake on a steep slope that lost grip when extra weight was added to the car. Nothing to do with it being disc or drum.


https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/l...rolls-13346958

just pop-advice repeated, and again the same cause, a not really adequate handbrake system.


NT

On 06/08/2018 08:13, Jimbo wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/08/2018 16:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 14:32, wrote:


disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

NT

they let go when they cool down.......

Never had a problem on my CXs

lucky you


I *mean*, I never had a problem with the handbrake releasing!

:-)

"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 06/08/2018 08:13, Jimbo wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/08/2018 16:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 14:32, wrote:


disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

NT

they let go when they cool down.......

Never had a problem on my CXs

lucky you


I *mean*, I never had a problem with the handbrake releasing!

:-)

one would hope not ...

On Monday, 6 August 2018 15:48:27 UTC+1, Jimbo wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 06/08/2018 08:13, Jimbo wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/08/2018 16:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/08/2018 14:32, tabbypurr wrote:


disc brakes should never be used as a parking brake........end of

why?

NT

they let go when they cool down.......

Never had a problem on my CXs

lucky you


I *mean*, I never had a problem with the handbrake releasing!

:-)

one would hope not ...

Handbrake letting go is common on cars today.


NT

On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with a
G clamp?

I have seen a youtube video of someone doing that on an Astra H
rear caliper. The trick is to apply pressure with a clamp and
at the same time rotate the piston.

Some cars need a pair of rewind tools becuse each side is
handed.

On 06/08/2018 21:11, Andrew wrote:
On 04/08/2018 16:06, GB wrote:
I've got the wheel and caliper off, but I apparently need a brake
caliper rewind tool - on order, and I'll collect it tomorrow.

Can folks please confirm that I can't just push the caliper back with
a G clamp?

I have seen a youtube video of someone doing that on an Astra H
rear caliper. The trick is to apply pressure with a clamp and
at the same time rotate the piston.

Some cars need a pair of rewind tools because each side is
handed.

I have a set like that in a nice plastic box for about £17 from ebait...