Far fewer problems with liquid detergent but doesn't clean the dishes as well

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David Godfrey m wrote

Far fewer problems with liquid detergent

I find the opposite.

but doesn't clean the dishes as well

Thats the killer for me.

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David Godfrey m writes:
Far fewer problems with liquid detergent but doesn't clean the dishes as well

In my machine, I stopped using liquid because it formed something that
looked like hard water scale on the element that would flake off and
block the water jets (only it isn't hard water scale as it doesn't
dissolve in acids).

All dishwasher detergents became less effective about 18 months ago
when they had to remove the phosphates. Often this is unnoticed if
you use tablets as for most washes there is way more detergent than
is needed, but if you more accurately dose liquid or powder according
to the washing load and fat, then this was more obvious as more
detergent was needed.

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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:48:43 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
David Godfrey m
writes:
Far fewer problems with liquid detergent but doesn't clean the dishes
as well

In my machine, I stopped using liquid because it formed something that
looked like hard water scale on the element that would flake off and
block the water jets (only it isn't hard water scale as it doesn't
dissolve in acids).

All dishwasher detergents became less effective about 18 months ago when
they had to remove the phosphates. Often this is unnoticed if you use
tablets as for most washes there is way more detergent than is needed,
but if you more accurately dose liquid or powder according to the
washing load and fat, then this was more obvious as more detergent was
needed.

I use the bulk powder from CPC, in 5kg or 10kg tubs.

The biggest problem is getting UPS to deliver it in one piece.


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In article ,
Bob Eager writes:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:48:43 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
David Godfrey m
writes:
Far fewer problems with liquid detergent but doesn't clean the dishes
as well

In my machine, I stopped using liquid because it formed something that
looked like hard water scale on the element that would flake off and
block the water jets (only it isn't hard water scale as it doesn't
dissolve in acids).

All dishwasher detergents became less effective about 18 months ago when
they had to remove the phosphates. Often this is unnoticed if you use
tablets as for most washes there is way more detergent than is needed,
but if you more accurately dose liquid or powder according to the
washing load and fat, then this was more obvious as more detergent was
needed.

I use the bulk powder from CPC, in 5kg or 10kg tubs.

Oh, is it any good? I never thought of looking there.
Actually, I can't find it on their website. Got a part number?
At the moment, I use Sainsbury's, since Waitrose stopped doing it.

The biggest problem is getting UPS to deliver it in one piece.

At least they don't use Yodel...

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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:31:45 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
Bob Eager writes:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:48:43 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
David Godfrey m
writes:
Far fewer problems with liquid detergent but doesn't clean the dishes
as well

In my machine, I stopped using liquid because it formed something that
looked like hard water scale on the element that would flake off and
block the water jets (only it isn't hard water scale as it doesn't
dissolve in acids).

All dishwasher detergents became less effective about 18 months ago
when they had to remove the phosphates. Often this is unnoticed if you
use tablets as for most washes there is way more detergent than is
needed, but if you more accurately dose liquid or powder according to
the washing load and fat, then this was more obvious as more detergent
was needed.

I use the bulk powder from CPC, in 5kg or 10kg tubs.

Oh, is it any good? I never thought of looking there.
Actually, I can't find it on their website. Got a part number?
At the moment, I use Sainsbury's, since Waitrose stopped doing it.

Seems fine to me. I used to think it smelled a bit chlorine-y in use, but
either that's changed or I've failed to notice it any more.

Part numbers SA01339 (5kg) and SA01340 (10kg).

As it happens, I ordered some about two hours ago, and I had a struggle
finding it (again). The magic keyword is 'dishwashing'.

The biggest problem is getting UPS to deliver it in one piece.

At least they don't use Yodel...

Well, half the problem is the way it's packed (or not). Order it
separately to anything else.



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I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping, which means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing pretty much every time we ran it. So, will ci=ome back to Cascade again. You can surely do your own research by reading reviews from https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and playing with various detergents.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:20:53 +0100, wrote:

I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to
compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping, which
means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing pretty
much every time we ran it. So, will ci=ome back to Cascade again. You
can surely do your own research by reading reviews from
https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and
playing with various detergents.

They're all the same, it's just detergent.

On Tuesday, 12 June 2018 14:24:05 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:20:53 +0100, wrote:

I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to
compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping, which
means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing pretty
much every time we ran it. So, will ci=ome back to Cascade again. You
can surely do your own research by reading reviews from
https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and
playing with various detergents.

They're all the same, it's just detergent.

When I tried all the brands of dishwasher tablets here I found no difference. They're not as simple as just detergent, but there doesn't seem to be any significant difference in performance.


NT

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:32:50 +0100, wrote:

On Tuesday, 12 June 2018 14:24:05 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:20:53 +0100, wrote:

I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to
compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping,
which
means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing
pretty
much every time we ran it. So, will ci=ome back to Cascade again. You
can surely do your own research by reading reviews from
https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and
playing with various detergents.

They're all the same, it's just detergent.

When I tried all the brands of dishwasher tablets here I found no
difference. They're not as simple as just detergent, but there doesn't
seem to be any significant difference in performance.

They're not exactly the latest in technology, there's no reason they
shouldn't all be the same.

But I have found that washing machine detergent is crap if you buy the
cheaper supermarket stuff. And the cheaper soft rinse is neither soft or
smells nice.

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:32:50 +0100, wrote:

On Tuesday, 12 June 2018 14:24:05 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:20:53 +0100, wrote:

I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to
compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping,
which
means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing
pretty
much every time we ran it. So, will ci=ome back to Cascade again. You
can surely do your own research by reading reviews from
https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and
playing with various detergents.

They're all the same, it's just detergent.

When I tried all the brands of dishwasher tablets here I found no
difference. They're not as simple as just detergent, but there doesn't
seem to be any significant difference in performance.

They're not exactly the latest in technology,

They do in fact keep changing the technology.

there's no reason they shouldn't all be the same.

The obvious reason is that some ingredients are cheaper
than others. And some do more R&D than others too.

That one that left a haze on glassware after a number
of washed did eventually get their act into gear and
reformulated theirs and fixed that problem. And sent
me a box of the new ones unsolicited when I had
claimed a refund on the earlier dud formulation.

But I have found that washing machine detergent is crap if you buy the
cheaper supermarket stuff.

So why isnt that just as true of dishwasher detergent ?

In fact we have had washing machines for a lot
longer that dishwashers, so your line about how
long they have been making them for can't fly.

And the cheaper soft rinse is neither soft or smells nice.

Don't use any rinse in either the washing machine or the dishwasher.

And I don't want my clothes to smell of anything.

Same with what I use in the shower, I use Pears Transparent
because it doesn't leave me stinking of some perfume.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 06:32:50 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

When I tried all the brands of dishwasher tablets here I found no
difference. They're not as simple as just detergent, but there doesn't
seem to be any significant difference in performance.

Just had a new 5 kg tub of the Shorrock Trichem stuff from CPC delivered.
Lasts ages.



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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 18:27:39 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 06:32:50 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

When I tried all the brands of dishwasher tablets here I found no
difference. They're not as simple as just detergent, but there doesn't
seem to be any significant difference in performance.

Just had a new 5 kg tub of the Shorrock Trichem stuff from CPC delivered.
Lasts ages.

5kg? I use individual tablets. What ****es me off is they wrap each one
separately. Why?

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 06:32:50 -0700 (PDT), , another
mentally challenged, troll-feeding idiot, driveled again:

They're all the same, it's just detergent.

When I tried all the brands of dishwasher tablets here I found no
difference. They're not as simple as just detergent, but there doesn't
seem to be any significant difference in performance.

NT

Already at it again, you demented senile troll-feeding ****?

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:20:53 +0100, wrote:

I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to
compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping, which
means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing pretty
much every time we ran it. So, will ci=ome back to Cascade again. You
can surely do your own research by reading reviews from
https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and
playing with various detergents.

They're all the same, it's just detergent.

No they are not all the same. One left a haze on glasses
after a number of washes. Finish removed that haze and
it never happened when Finish was used.

I never rinse or anything, just tip stuff like chop bones
and T bones into the bin before the plate goes into
the dishwasher and do a run usually about every 2
weeks, when there are no more clean dinner plates.
And wash extremely filthy stuff like the roast lamb
roast pan with nothing done before washing except
to melt the fat and pour that off into an empty can.
And only wash that after a number of roasts. The
worst of the detergents don't get as good a result.

Hopefully Pam will read this and burst a blood vessel or something.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:21:28 +0100, Rod Speed
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"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:20:53 +0100, wrote:

I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to
compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping,
which means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing
rewashing pretty much every time we ran it. So, will ci=ome back to
Cascade again. You can surely do your own research by reading reviews
from https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and
playing with various detergents.

They're all the same, it's just detergent.

No they are not all the same. One left a haze on glasses
after a number of washes. Finish removed that haze and
it never happened when Finish was used.

I use rinse aid to remove the haze, so the detergent can leave it if it
likes. I've set the rinse aid selector to full.

I never rinse or anything, just tip stuff like chop bones
and T bones into the bin before the plate goes into
the dishwasher and do a run usually about every 2
weeks, when there are no more clean dinner plates.

Same here, but more often as I have many many pets and use a lot of
dishes. Probably every 3 or 4 days I run the dishwasher.

And wash extremely filthy stuff like the roast lamb
roast pan with nothing done before washing except
to melt the fat and pour that off into an empty can.
And only wash that after a number of roasts. The
worst of the detergents don't get as good a result.

I leave stuff caked on for a few days, and a few dishes will come out
still slightly dirty, they just go back in again. The best detergent
isn't any better at this. What I find most effective is increasing the
temperature of the wash cycle.

Hopefully Pam will read this and burst a blood vessel or something.

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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:21:28 +0100, Rod Speed
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"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:20:53 +0100, wrote:

I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to
compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping,
which means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing
rewashing pretty much every time we ran it. So, will ci=ome back to
Cascade again. You can surely do your own research by reading reviews
from https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and
playing with various detergents.

They're all the same, it's just detergent.

No they are not all the same. One left a haze on glasses
after a number of washes. Finish removed that haze and
it never happened when Finish was used.

I use rinse aid to remove the haze,

There is no haze to remove with Logix
or Finish tablets and no rinse aid.

so the detergent can leave it if it likes. I've set the rinse aid
selector to full.

Waste of money IMO, particularly with the
very cheap Logix and Finish discounted offers.

I never rinse or anything, just tip stuff like chop bones
and T bones into the bin before the plate goes into
the dishwasher and do a run usually about every 2
weeks, when there are no more clean dinner plates.

Same here, but more often as I have many many pets and use a lot of
dishes.

Why do you bother to give them a
clean one every meal with the pets ?

Guess with cats they can turn their noses up at dirty plates.

Probably every 3 or 4 days I run the dishwasher.

I forgot to say that I only have one proper meal on a plate
every day. I don't bother with lunch, at most have an apple
or a couple of bananas and use the same small plate for
about half the dishwasher run time for the massive great
thick slab of toast that's my only breakfast. In other words
usually only a couple of those breakfast plates per
dishwasher run.

And wash extremely filthy stuff like the roast lamb
roast pan with nothing done before washing except
to melt the fat and pour that off into an empty can.
And only wash that after a number of roasts. The
worst of the detergents don't get as good a result.

I leave stuff caked on for a few days, and a few dishes will come out
still slightly dirty,

Don't ever get that with the Logix or Finish tabs,
in the Bosch dishwasher on the ultra hot cycle.
I use the most aggressive cycle because some
of the other stuff like the shallow dishes I do the
filo chicken pillows etc in the convection oven
get really baked on stuff in them.

they just go back in again. The best detergent isn't any better at this.

It is for me.

What I find most effective is increasing the temperature of the wash
cycle.

Yeah, that's why I always use the hottest longest one.

Hopefully Pam will read this and burst a blood vessel or something.

Looks like that has worked.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 04:21:28 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:

They're all the same, it's just detergent.

No they are not all the same. One left a haze on glasses
after a number of washes. Finish removed that haze and
it never happened when Finish was used.

I never rinse or anything,

You SHOULD, especially after you sucked off the unwashed Scottish ******
again, Rot!

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On 12/06/18 14:20, wrote:
I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs.

Well **** me with a ninepin.

I am not



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I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping, which means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing pretty much every time we ran it. So, will come back to Cascade again. You can surely do your own research by reading reviews from https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and playing with various detergents.

On Tuesday, 12 June 2018 14:21:52 UTC+1, wrote:
I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping, which means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing pretty much every time we ran it. So, will come back to Cascade again. You can surely do your own research by reading reviews from https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and playing with various detergents.

I did look at the link but gave up after the first round of idiot bs

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I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs.
Just to compare, bought some Finish powder recently and
it keeps clumping, which means that our dishes were coming
out dirty and needing rewashing pretty much every time we
ran it. So, will come back to Cascade again. You can surely
do your own research by reading reviews from
https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and playing
with various detergents.

I personally used the tablets, not the powder and find Finish
and the Aldi Logix both work fine and buy what's cheapest.

In a Bosch currently.

On 12/06/2018 14:21, wrote:
I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping, which means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing pretty much every time we ran it. So, will come back to Cascade again. You can surely do your own research by reading reviews from https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and playing with various detergents.


I find the Aldi all-in-1 tablets are as good as any - about 8p per pill
IIRC. Unlike the link above's 'budget' pick - Ecover at over 20p/pill.

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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:27:31 +0100, RJH wrote:

On 12/06/2018 14:21, wrote:
I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to
compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping,
which means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing
pretty much every time we ran it. So, will come back to Cascade again.
You can surely do your own research by reading reviews from
https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and
playing with various detergents.


I find the Aldi all-in-1 tablets are as good as any - about 8p per pill
IIRC. Unlike the link above's 'budget' pick - Ecover at over 20p/pill.

Normal powder is about 4p a dose.



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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:50:57 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:27:31 +0100, RJH wrote:

On 12/06/2018 14:21, wrote:
I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to
compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping,
which means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing
rewashing pretty much every time we ran it. So, will come back to
Cascade again. You can surely do your own research by reading reviews
from https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ ,
and playing with various detergents.


I find the Aldi all-in-1 tablets are as good as any - about 8p per
pill IIRC. Unlike the link above's 'budget' pick - Ecover at over
20p/pill.

Normal powder is about 4p a dose.

We tried the budget stuff but it did a crap job, so back to Finish
powder at 7.5p a dose.

This is industrial stuff from CPC.

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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:20:51 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:50:57 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:27:31 +0100, RJH wrote:

On 12/06/2018 14:21, wrote:
I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to
compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping,
which means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing
rewashing pretty much every time we ran it. So, will come back to
Cascade again. You can surely do your own research by reading
reviews from
https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and
playing with various detergents.

I find the Aldi all-in-1 tablets are as good as any - about 8p per
pill IIRC. Unlike the link above's 'budget' pick - Ecover at over
20p/pill.

Normal powder is about 4p a dose.

We tried the budget stuff but it did a crap job, so back to Finish
powder at 7.5p a dose.

This is industrial stuff from CPC.

OK, but is it any good?

We've used it for years and are happy.

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I have always been a fan of Cascade Platinum Actionpacs. Just to compare, bought some Finish powder recently and it keeps clumping, which means that our dishes were coming out dirty and needing rewashing pretty much every time we ran it. So, will come back to Cascade again. You can surely do your own research by reading reviews from https://www.theolive.com/reviews/bes...her-detergent/ , and playing with various detergents.