It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I
am understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be
on and operating at least its display all the time - Might not that be
a tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible

Some of them do a very convincing impression of framed photos, or oil
paintings too ...

Andy Burns expressed precisely :
Some of them do a very convincing impression of framed photos, or oil
paintings too ...

Oh, mine will do that, not that I have ever bothered with it.

Andy Burns wrote:
Harry Bloomfield wrote:

It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible

Some of them do a very convincing impression of framed photos, or oil
paintings too ...

https://www.samsung.com/us/explore/frame-tv/?wcmmode=disabled

On 31/05/2018 17:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I
am understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be
on and operating at least its display all the time - Might not that be a
tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

Supposedly about 30% of the normal operating power. However they include
occupancy sensors, and so switch to standby (0.4W) when they figure no
one is about to look at them.


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On 31/05/2018 18:41, John Rumm wrote:
On 31/05/2018 17:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I
am understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be
on and operating at least its display all the time - Might not that be a
tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

Supposedly about 30% of the normal operating power. However they include
occupancy sensors, and so switch to standby (0.4W) when they figure no
one is about to look at them.


If it is on a window cill does it give you a sneaky view of what
is happening outside, whilst you are not visible from outside.
Sort of modern-day net curtain twitching ?.

On 31/05/2018 17:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I
am understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be
on and operating at least its display all the time - Might not that be a
tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

Some can do very convincing aquariums too, but they do use power but
less than a real marine aquarium. Of course you would connect the Pi to
a sensor so it didn't bother when you weren't there.

Really, why on earth would you want to do this?
Sounds like Samsung are really scratching the barrel for some kind of
innovation. How about sourcing longer lasting capacitors for their tellies,
or making their apps for smart tvs work with their speech the same way the
rest of the set does. I guess these would be far too boring and useful.

What does Bixby have to say about all this?
Brian

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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I am
understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be on and
operating at least its display all the time - Might not that be a
tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

Bah humbug.
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:

It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible

Some of them do a very convincing impression of framed photos, or oil
paintings too ...

So you have the portrait of the naked lady on the wall, but set it to switch
to a nice woodland scene when the doorbell rings.
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Andy Burns expressed precisely :
Some of them do a very convincing impression of framed photos, or oil
paintings too ...

Oh, mine will do that, not that I have ever bothered with it.

On 31/05/2018 17:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I
am understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be
on and operating at least its display all the time



Might not that be a
tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

Nah, that's watching Love Island.

I had never heard of it until I saw a copy of the Daily Star whilst at
work today.

Basically this programme

https://www.itv.com/loveisland

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Brian Gaff wrote

Really, why on earth would you want to do this?

To have something some might buy your TV to get.

Sounds like Samsung are really scratching the barrel for some kind of
innovation.

Not surprising given TVs have been around for so long now.

How about sourcing longer lasting capacitors for their tellies,

They've done that already.

or making their apps for smart tvs work with their speech the same way the
rest of the set does.

What ?

I guess these would be far too boring and useful.

What does Bixby have to say about all this?

He hanged himself quite a while ago.

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I am
understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be on
and operating at least its display all the time - Might not that be a
tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

Brian Gaff wrote

Bah humbug.

Face it, you've turned into another grumpy old fart :-(

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:

It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible

Some of them do a very convincing impression of framed photos, or oil
paintings too ...

Brian Gaff wrote

So you have the portrait of the naked lady on the wall, but set
it to switch to a nice woodland scene when the doorbell rings.

Nope when it detects the chip I implanted in SWTSMBO was blotto, again.

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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Andy Burns expressed precisely :
Some of them do a very convincing impression of framed photos, or oil
paintings too ...

Oh, mine will do that, not that I have ever bothered with it.

On 31/05/2018 22:01, pamela wrote:
On 18:41 31 May 2018, John Rumm wrote:

On 31/05/2018 17:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the
wallpaper hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less
visible - if I am understanding the ad properly? That suggests
the TV will need to be on and operating at least its display all
the time - Might not that be a tremendous waste of power and to
be discouraged?

Supposedly about 30% of the normal operating power. However they
include occupancy sensors, and so switch to standby (0.4W) when
they figure no one is about to look at them.

Which reminds me of someone (Big Clive?) who tested light sensitive LED
night lights and found running the sensor took more power than leaving
the LED on.

In other words the power consumption of the light saving night light
was greater than one which was on all the time.

(possibly apocryphal story but) IIRC there was s sky box like that -
where in "standby" it would turn on a LED to indicate that, but since it
needed to keep the rest of the box running (but with the video and audio
muted), so it could receive OTA updates etc, it actually used very
slightly more power in standby so as to light the LED.

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pamela has brought this to us :
In other words the power consumption of the light saving night light
was greater than one which was on all the time.

I used to work for a certain very large banking chain. As you would
expect they had many offices and call centres for their operation, plus
the many other financial operations they were involved with, with
numerous (thousands of laser printers). Concerned about their power
bills, they commissioned specialists to carry out surveys to find how
they could reduce their consumption effectively.

One suggestion was to install time clocks on all of their thousands of
printers, so they were duly installed, simple cheap electro-mechanical
ones. Like most modern printers, the printers when not in use would go
into low power sleep mode, the sleep mode used much less power than the
clocks, so the net effect was a tiny increase in the bill. Staff would
often work long past normal working hours, only to find they could not
use their printers because of the clocks, the clocks would also
regularly become unplugged and get out of sync with real time. The time
clock plan caused absolute chaos.

On Thu, 31 May 2018 17:54:48 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible

Some of them do a very convincing impression of framed photos, or oil
paintings too ...

The real thing will run at 100W less, though.
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On 31/05/2018 17:54, Andy Burns wrote:

Some of them do a very convincing impression of framed photos, or oil
paintings too ...


https://youtu.be/FsIXuShbTvw?t=45



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alan_m wrote
Andy Burns wrote

Some of them do a very convincing impression of framed photos, or oil
paintings too ...

https://youtu.be/FsIXuShbTvw?t=45

I'd have you publicly flogged if you hadn't so obviously enjoyed that the
last time, boy.

On Thursday, 31 May 2018 18:41:43 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 31/05/2018 17:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I
am understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be
on and operating at least its display all the time - Might not that be a
tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

Supposedly about 30% of the normal operating power. However they include
occupancy sensors, and so switch to standby (0.4W) when they figure no
one is about to look at them.

I wonder if such a system would detect my cat sitting on the sofa in front of the TV.


I took a picture of my curtains behind my computer and used it as a screen saver which is similar ;-)

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I wonder if such a system would detect my cat sitting on the sofa in
front of the TV.

You need a nice old CRT set. The cat would then sleep on that - the
hottest part of the room. Tail dangling over the picture.

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"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 31 May 2018 18:41:43 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 31/05/2018 17:46, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I
am understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be
on and operating at least its display all the time - Might not that be
a
tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

Supposedly about 30% of the normal operating power. However they include
occupancy sensors, and so switch to standby (0.4W) when they figure no
one is about to look at them.

I wonder if such a system would detect my cat sitting on the sofa in front
of the TV.

Yep, you need different ones that dont see the pets.

On Friday, 1 June 2018 11:11:54 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I wonder if such a system would detect my cat sitting on the sofa in
front of the TV.

You need a nice old CRT set. The cat would then sleep on that - the
hottest part of the room. Tail dangling over the picture.

Actually I've never had a cat sleep on a TV, my scanner is the only thing that my cat has slept on that I wouldn't think of as a good place to sleep for any lenght of time. Even as a kid living with my parent who had upto 4 cats at a time, they never slept on the TV always chose someone's lap.
Where they did spend a lot of time sleeping was in the kitchen on top of the wall cabinets as it was far warmer, darker and quiter there.

But I know cats do like to sit on warm things like TVs given the chance.

On Friday, 1 June 2018 12:00:27 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 11:11:54 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I wonder if such a system would detect my cat sitting on the sofa in
front of the TV.

You need a nice old CRT set. The cat would then sleep on that - the
hottest part of the room. Tail dangling over the picture.

Actually I've never had a cat sleep on a TV, my scanner is the only thing that my cat has slept on that I wouldn't think of as a good place to sleep for any lenght of time. Even as a kid living with my parent who had upto 4 cats at a time, they never slept on the TV always chose someone's lap.
Where they did spend a lot of time sleeping was in the kitchen on top of the wall cabinets as it was far warmer, darker and quiter there.

But I know cats do like to sit on warm things like TVs given the chance.

So what ones don't see pets ? are are you refering to ones that don't see small objects, as I don;t believ humans and pets give off widely differing IR signatures.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 1 June 2018 12:00:27 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 11:11:54 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I wonder if such a system would detect my cat sitting on the sofa in
front of the TV.

You need a nice old CRT set. The cat would then sleep on that - the
hottest part of the room. Tail dangling over the picture.

Actually I've never had a cat sleep on a TV, my scanner is the only thing
that my cat has slept on that I wouldn't think of as a good place to
sleep for any lenght of time. Even as a kid living with my parent who had
upto 4 cats at a time, they never slept on the TV always chose someone's
lap.
Where they did spend a lot of time sleeping was in the kitchen on top of
the wall cabinets as it was far warmer, darker and quiter there.

But I know cats do like to sit on warm things like TVs given the chance.

So what ones don't see pets ?

The ones designed to not see pets.

are are you refering to ones that don't see small objects, as I don;t
believ humans and pets give off widely differing IR signatures.

It isnt just the size. Trivially available for internal house alarm movement
sensors.

On Friday, 1 June 2018 20:21:20 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 1 June 2018 12:00:27 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 11:11:54 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I wonder if such a system would detect my cat sitting on the sofa in
front of the TV.

You need a nice old CRT set. The cat would then sleep on that - the
hottest part of the room. Tail dangling over the picture.

Actually I've never had a cat sleep on a TV, my scanner is the only thing
that my cat has slept on that I wouldn't think of as a good place to
sleep for any lenght of time. Even as a kid living with my parent who had
upto 4 cats at a time, they never slept on the TV always chose someone's
lap.
Where they did spend a lot of time sleeping was in the kitchen on top of
the wall cabinets as it was far warmer, darker and quiter there.

But I know cats do like to sit on warm things like TVs given the chance.

So what ones don't see pets ?

The ones designed to not see pets.

I see you have no understanding of this, what technology do they use to NOT see pets and what do they class as a pet would a police dog be seen as a pet ?

I would to know what technolgy they use to tell a pet from a guide dog, to an elephant to a mouse.

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On Friday, 1 June 2018 20:21:20 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 1 June 2018 12:00:27 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 11:11:54 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I wonder if such a system would detect my cat sitting on the sofa
in
front of the TV.

You need a nice old CRT set. The cat would then sleep on that - the
hottest part of the room. Tail dangling over the picture.

Actually I've never had a cat sleep on a TV, my scanner is the only
thing
that my cat has slept on that I wouldn't think of as a good place to
sleep for any lenght of time. Even as a kid living with my parent who
had
upto 4 cats at a time, they never slept on the TV always chose
someone's
lap.
Where they did spend a lot of time sleeping was in the kitchen on top
of
the wall cabinets as it was far warmer, darker and quiter there.

But I know cats do like to sit on warm things like TVs given the
chance.

So what ones don't see pets ?

The ones designed to not see pets.

I see you have no understanding of this,

We'll see...

what technology do they use to NOT see pets

With cats and smaller dogs, ones that can detect the rough
size of the animal which is quite different to a human.

With some others for dogs particularly, ones that can
distinguish the height of the animal and recognise that
few humans choose to enter the room lying on the floor etc.

And regardless of how they do it, even you should be able
to work out that some do offer sensors that dont see pets.

and what do they class as a pet would a police dog be seen as a pet ?

Keep this **** up and your **** will be flushed where it belongs, again.

I would to know what technolgy they use to tell a
pet from a guide dog, to an elephant to a mouse.

Even you should be able to google it, if someone
was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing
eye dog and a white cane, again.

On Monday, 4 June 2018 20:16:31 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 1 June 2018 20:21:20 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 1 June 2018 12:00:27 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 11:11:54 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I wonder if such a system would detect my cat sitting on the sofa
in
front of the TV.

You need a nice old CRT set. The cat would then sleep on that - the
hottest part of the room. Tail dangling over the picture.

Actually I've never had a cat sleep on a TV, my scanner is the only
thing
that my cat has slept on that I wouldn't think of as a good place to
sleep for any lenght of time. Even as a kid living with my parent who
had
upto 4 cats at a time, they never slept on the TV always chose
someone's
lap.
Where they did spend a lot of time sleeping was in the kitchen on top
of
the wall cabinets as it was far warmer, darker and quiter there.

But I know cats do like to sit on warm things like TVs given the
chance.

So what ones don't see pets ?

The ones designed to not see pets.

I see you have no understanding of this,

We'll see...

what technology do they use to NOT see pets

With cats and smaller dogs, ones that can detect the rough
size of the animal which is quite different to a human.

What are the rough difernces in size between a st. bernard and a 9 month old sprog. ?


With some others for dogs particularly, ones that can
distinguish the height of the animal and recognise that
few humans choose to enter the room lying on the floor etc.

So not very good then are they.
Why not just be honest and say the PIR depends on the size rather than species ?


And regardless of how they do it, even you should be able
to work out that some do offer sensors that dont see pets.

Some claim to.
But all species pretty much give off the same wavelengh IR which is what PIRs detect.


and what do they class as a pet would a police dog be seen as a pet ?

Keep this **** up and your **** will be flushed where it belongs, again.

How about a guard dog wandering around the premises can they be detected or not ?


I would to know what technolgy they use to tell a
pet from a guide dog, to an elephant to a mouse.

Even you should be able to google it, if someone
was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing
eye dog and a white cane, again.

would a seeing eye dog trigger a PIR ?

you do know that even a white can would.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
With cats and smaller dogs, ones that can detect the rough
size of the animal which is quite different to a human.

What are the rough difernces in size between a st. bernard and a 9 month
old sprog. ?

Are 9 month old sprogs often burglars round your way?

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On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 11:11:30 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
With cats and smaller dogs, ones that can detect the rough
size of the animal which is quite different to a human.

What are the rough difernces in size between a st. bernard and a 9 month
old sprog. ?

Are 9 month old sprogs often burglars round your way?

Makes yuo wonder why people are fooled into buying PIR sensor that won;t detect pets doesn't it ?

How many times have alarms been triggered by pets and other animals that is the point not whether a 9 month old can get into your house.

On Thu, 31 May 2018 17:46:10 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I
am understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be
on and operating at least its display all the time - Might not that be a
tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

It's simply a daft idea and I'm struggling to work out who it would
appeal to.



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Cursitor Doom wrote
Harry Bloomfield wrote

It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if
I am understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need
to be on and operating at least its display all the time - Might not
that be a tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

It's simply a daft idea

Presumably some do buy TVs that can do stuff like that.

and I'm struggling to work out who it would appeal to.

Presumably those who liked to have doors that closed over the TV when
you weren't using it.

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:47:45 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed produced
yet more rot:


Presumably some do buy TVs that can do stuff like that.

and I'm struggling to work out who it would appeal to.

Presumably those who liked to have doors that closed over the TV when
you weren't using it.

Presumably you ARE an argumentative asshole.

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On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22:27:12 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2018 17:46:10 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

It suggests that the TV can put on its display, a copy of the wallpaper
hidden behind and by the TV, so that the TV became less visible - if I
am understanding the ad properly? That suggests the TV will need to be
on and operating at least its display all the time - Might not that be a
tremendous waste of power and to be discouraged?

It's simply a daft idea and I'm struggling to work out who it would
appeal to.

I think it will evolve into a similar idea as a screen saver. If you have a large TV on a wall why not make it look like a window to...., or a painting.
I'd have one that looks like you're looking out from the window of the starship Enterprise warping through space. Some might prefer a rain forest , barrier reef etc. or just a webcam of what's outside the house/garden.

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:49:35 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

I think it will evolve into a similar idea as a screen saver. If you
have a large TV on a wall why not make it look like a window to...., or
a painting.
I'd have one that looks like you're looking out from the window of the
starship Enterprise warping through space. Some might prefer a rain
forest , barrier reef etc. or just a webcam of what's outside the
house/garden.

Now *that* I would consider a worthwhile selling point.




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