On 01/05/2018 23:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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dennis@home wrote:
Do you really believe public transport produces less pollution than cars?
Buses and trains and taxis run nearly empty most of the time.

Perhaps they do where you live. I've never been on a 'near empty' bus or
train. And tend to avoid them in rush hour.

And even with only a handful of people in a bus, it still likely uses less
fuel than if each of those was driving a car.


Buses use at least six times the fuel a car uses.

They also generate a lot more particulates than a car and wear on the
roads with consequent repairs and pollution.

Around here you can frequently see buses with one or no passengers.
Most taxis only have passengers for half the journey.
Even trains run with 10% occupancy a lot of the time.

What's needed is bus drivers on zero hour contracts so they only run the
buses when there are a lot of passengers. That is rush hour and no night
services, no rural services, etc. then the claims about pollution might
be true.

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dennis@home wrote:
And even with only a handful of people in a bus, it still likely uses less
fuel than if each of those was driving a car.


Buses use at least six times the fuel a car uses.

Quite. So provided that bus has more than 6 passengers, it is using less
fuel than cars. As most cars have only the driver in them.

They also generate a lot more particulates than a car and wear on the
roads with consequent repairs and pollution.

Oddly, the worst pot holed roads round here aren't bus routes.

Be very interesting to have some real facts about bus pollution per
passenger mile versus the private car.

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On 02/05/2018 13:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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dennis@home wrote:
And even with only a handful of people in a bus, it still likely uses less
fuel than if each of those was driving a car.


Buses use at least six times the fuel a car uses.

Quite. So provided that bus has more than 6 passengers, it is using less
fuel than cars. As most cars have only the driver in them.

A big if.


They also generate a lot more particulates than a car and wear on the
roads with consequent repairs and pollution.

Oddly, the worst pot holed roads round here aren't bus routes.

That would be due to them fixing bus routes as a priority like they grit
them as a priority.


Be very interesting to have some real facts about bus pollution per
passenger mile versus the private car.


It would but it would be nice for it to be unbiased too.

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dennis@home wrote:
On 02/05/2018 13:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
And even with only a handful of people in a bus, it still likely
uses less fuel than if each of those was driving a car.


Buses use at least six times the fuel a car uses.

Quite. So provided that bus has more than 6 passengers, it is using
less fuel than cars. As most cars have only the driver in them.

A big if.

Really? If the average number of passengers in a bus was only 6, why are
they usually so big?


They also generate a lot more particulates than a car and wear on the
roads with consequent repairs and pollution.

Oddly, the worst pot holed roads round here aren't bus routes.

That would be due to them fixing bus routes as a priority like they grit
them as a priority.

I'd have expected to see lots of men filling in the potholes if that was
the case. It is, however, likely the surface is better constructed on main
roads in the first place.


Be very interesting to have some real facts about bus pollution per
passenger mile versus the private car.


It would but it would be nice for it to be unbiased too.

What? Like those who never use buses saying they always run empty? never
turn up on time? And so on? ;-)

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On 02/05/2018 15:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


What? Like those who never use buses saying they always run empty? never
turn up on time? And so on? ;-)


IME the biggest problem with buses is that they do run on time.

They schedule the damn thing for rush hour and then run them like that
when there is no traffic.

This means a journey that could take 20 mins still takes an hour.

And they wonder why people use cars.

On 03/05/2018 15:18, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/05/2018 15:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


What? Like those who never use buses saying they always run empty? never
turn up on time? And so on? ;-)


IME the biggest problem with buses is that they do run on time.

They schedule the damn thing for rush hour and then run them like that
when there is no traffic.

This means a journey that could take 20 mins still takes an hour.

And they wonder why people use cars.

One of the problems round here is that they decide to remove a service
and that leaves somewhere isolated. To solve this, they change the route
of another service, so at some point in its route, it turns off,
circumnavigates the isolated bit and then returns to its original route
at the point it left it. And it's just hard luck for schoolchildren and
commuters that suddenly find that every journey now takes half an hour
longer ... when the entire journey can be done in 20 minutes by car! An
extra hour a day lost and still paying through the nose for it.

SteveW

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dennis@home wrote:
On 02/05/2018 15:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


What? Like those who never use buses saying they always run empty? never
turn up on time? And so on? ;-)


IME the biggest problem with buses is that they do run on time.

They schedule the damn thing for rush hour and then run them like that
when there is no traffic.

This means a journey that could take 20 mins still takes an hour.

And they wonder why people use cars.

You don't know about buses. You get on and tell the driver to take you to
Harrods. Works for me.

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Quite. So provided that bus has more than 6 passengers, it is using
less fuel than cars. As most cars have only the driver in them.

I would assume that most people on a d-i-y group might have only the
driver in their car, but have a car full of tools and materials. At the
moment I'm gathering together stuff to service a boat on a trailer prior
to a long journey, so the boot has: lump hammer, wheel braces, oil and
grease, mains compressor and 2 battery/car powered ones, jack, boom and
other covers and all sorts of other odds and ends.

It would be fun to turn up at a bus stop with an 8 x 4 sheet of ply.
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Huge wrote:
On 2018-05-02, Bill wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
Quite. So provided that bus has more than 6 passengers, it is using
less fuel than cars.

Oh, how the Left do dearly love public transport. At least for everyone
else.

Yet you chose to live in the sticks so you were forced into travelling to
work by PT. Does that make you honorary left, then?

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On 02/05/2018 13:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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dennis@home wrote:
And even with only a handful of people in a bus, it still likely uses less
fuel than if each of those was driving a car.


Buses use at least six times the fuel a car uses.

Quite. So provided that bus has more than 6 passengers, it is using less
fuel than cars. As most cars have only the driver in them....

On average, they also have 0.57 of a passenger.


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wrote:
On 02/05/2018 13:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
And even with only a handful of people in a bus, it still likely uses
less fuel than if each of those was driving a car.


Buses use at least six times the fuel a car uses.

Quite. So provided that bus has more than 6 passengers, it is using
less fuel than cars. As most cars have only the driver in them....

On average, they also have 0.57 of a passenger.

I was the only passenger in a Park & Ride one this afternoon

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