OK so they removed a door chime to plaster a wall.

No big deal, however they did not know that it was powered by a mains
powered transformer that was under insulation.

No attempt was made to isolate the bell wires and IMHO for the last two
days the bell wires have been touching resulting in the transformer
overheating and causing a small fire that took out several T&E lighting
cables before the MCB tripped.

The yellowish insulation is the old stuff, the 300mm new brown stuff was
placed over the old stuff back in November.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/d/dc/Doorbell1.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/4/4e/Doorbell2.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/1/10/Doorbell3.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/0/0e/Doorbell4.jpg

Lucky *******s looking at the scorch marks on that timbers.

One other point/question. The insulation has turned white where the most
heat was. Any ideas why?




--
Adam

OK so they removed a door chime to plaster a wall.

No big deal, however they did not know that it was powered by a mains
powered transformer that was under insulation.

No attempt was made to isolate the bell wires and IMHO for the last two
days the bell wires have been touching resulting in the transformer
overheating and causing a small fire that took out several T&E lighting
cables before the MCB tripped.

The yellowish insulation is the old stuff, the 300mm new brown stuff was
placed over the old stuff back in November.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/d/dc/Doorbell1.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/4/4e/Doorbell2.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/1/10/Doorbell3.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/0/0e/Doorbell4.jpg

Lucky *******s looking at the scorch marks on that timbers.

One other point/question. The insulation has turned white where the most
heat was. Any ideas why?

Good greif, that's scary. Was there a secondary side fuse inside?
--

Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Graham. wrote :
Good greif, that's scary. Was there a secondary side fuse inside?

--

Any primary fuse could have avoided that. It looks like quite an old
transformer..

ARW wrote:

OK so they removed a door chime to plaster a wall.

No big deal, however they did not know that it was powered by a mains
powered transformer that was under insulation.

No attempt was made to isolate the bell wires and IMHO for the last two
days the bell wires have been touching resulting in the transformer
overheating and causing a small fire that took out several T&E lighting
cables before the MCB tripped.

The yellowish insulation is the old stuff, the 300mm new brown stuff was
placed over the old stuff back in November.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/d/dc/Doorbell1.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/4/4e/Doorbell2.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/1/10/Doorbell3.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/0/0e/Doorbell4.jpg

Lucky *******s looking at the scorch marks on that timbers.

One other point/question. The insulation has turned white where the most
heat was. Any ideas why?

So the transformer was covered with insulation originally, or just since
November? Either way I think it would be gross (criminal) negligence
if a professional did it?


--

Roger Hayter

Harry Bloomfield brought next idea :
Graham. wrote :
Good greif, that's scary. Was there a secondary side fuse inside?

--

Any primary fuse could have avoided that. It looks like quite an old
transformer..

Er, it doesn't look as if the mains supply cable was overloaded (as I
first assumed), rather those mains cable were just damaged by the fire.

Harry Bloomfield brought next idea :
Graham. wrote :
Good greif, that's scary. Was there a secondary side fuse inside?

--

Any primary fuse could have avoided that. It looks like quite an old
transformer..

Er, it doesn't look as if the mains supply cable was overloaded (as I
first assumed), rather those mains cable were just damaged by the fire.

Sorry Harry, I meant secondary side fuse.

That transformer must be nearly 50 years old. If they still make iron
cored bell transformers, they are bound to have a thermal fuse
embedded in the windings. Same goes for extractor fans.
--

Graham.
%Profound_observation%

In article ,
ARW wrote:
OK so they removed a door chime to plaster a wall.

No big deal, however they did not know that it was powered by a mains
powered transformer that was under insulation.

No attempt was made to isolate the bell wires and IMHO for the last two
days the bell wires have been touching resulting in the transformer
overheating and causing a small fire that took out several T&E lighting
cables before the MCB tripped.

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

--
*Income tax service - We‘ve got what it takes to take what you've got.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
OK so they removed a door chime to plaster a wall.

No big deal, however they did not know that it was powered by a mains
powered transformer that was under insulation.

No attempt was made to isolate the bell wires and IMHO for the last two
days the bell wires have been touching resulting in the transformer
overheating and causing a small fire that took out several T&E lighting
cables before the MCB tripped.

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one. If
not there ought to be.

Dave Plowman (News) formulated the question :
Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

Thermal fuses I think are a recent thing, I rather think is a rather
old transformer.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
news
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
OK so they removed a door chime to plaster a wall.

No big deal, however they did not know that it was powered by a mains
powered transformer that was under insulation.

No attempt was made to isolate the bell wires and IMHO for the last two
days the bell wires have been touching resulting in the transformer
overheating and causing a small fire that took out several T&E lighting
cables before the MCB tripped.

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one.

There is, but its only relatively recent, like in the last few decades.

That transformer is apparently over 70 years old and there wasnt then.

If not there ought to be.

On 26/04/2018 20:17, ARW wrote:

One other point/question. The insulation has turned white where the most
heat was. Any ideas why?

Ash? Possibly for the same reason that partially burnt wood residue is
black but fully burnt wood residue is white(ish) ash.


--
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ARW Wrote in message:
OK so they removed a door chime to plaster a wall.

No big deal, however they did not know that it was powered by a mains
powered transformer that was under insulation.

No attempt was made to isolate the bell wires and IMHO for the last two
days the bell wires have been touching resulting in the transformer
overheating and causing a small fire that took out several T&E lighting
cables before the MCB tripped.

The yellowish insulation is the old stuff, the 300mm new brown stuff was
placed over the old stuff back in November.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/d/dc/Doorbell1.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/4/4e/Doorbell2.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/1/10/Doorbell3.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/0/0e/Doorbell4.jpg

Lucky *******s looking at the scorch marks on that timbers.

One other point/question. The insulation has turned white where the most
heat was. Any ideas why?

Could the heat have driven off the dye/anti infestation
"treatment" of the insulation?
--
Jim K


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http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

On 26/04/18 20:17, ARW wrote:
OK so they removed a door chime to plaster a wall.

No big deal, however they did not know that it was powered by a mains
powered transformer that was under insulation.

No attempt was made to isolate the bell wires and IMHO for the last two
days the bell wires have been touching resulting in the transformer
overheating and causing a small fire that took out several T&E lighting
cables before the MCB tripped.

The yellowish insulation is the old stuff, the 300mm new brown stuff was
placed over the old stuff back in November.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/d/dc/Doorbell1.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/4/4e/Doorbell2.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/1/10/Doorbell3.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/0/0e/Doorbell4.jpg

Lucky *******s looking at the scorch marks on that timbers.


That's like an article about how to do *everything wrong* installing a
bell transformer :-|

Most of my SELV PSUs are screwed to a plasterboard panel next to the
lighting junctions in free open air with the scenario in mind (one is on
a bit of wood - that's historic).

I also buy PSUs from RS

eg

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/led-drivers/7736995

so I have some faith in the build quality as well has having
"over-everything" protection.

On 2018-04-27, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) formulated the question :
Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

Thermal fuses I think are a recent thing, I rather think is a rather
old transformer.

Actually the transformer itself looks to be ok, and probably wasn't too
bothered by the overload. Is it possible the LV bell wire got hot enough
to melt through the PVC insulation and cause a short on some of that mains
wiring it was tangled with?

--
Ian

"Tamahome!!!" - "Miaka!!!"

I do hope the builders were insured for this, or they could be a bit of an
ex builder when the claim goes in.
Brian

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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
Graham. wrote :
Good greif, that's scary. Was there a secondary side fuse inside?

--

Any primary fuse could have avoided that. It looks like quite an old
transformer..

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) formulated the question :
Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

Thermal fuses I think are a recent thing, I rather think is a rather
old transformer.

ISTR an old bell transformer which had replaceable cartridge fuses for
both input and output inside it. Otherwise, it would need to be 'large'
enough to take the fuse on the lighting circuit they are normally on (at
least at one time) in event of a failure.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one. If
not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to not
having them.

On 26/04/2018 21:48, Graham. wrote:
OK so they removed a door chime to plaster a wall.

No big deal, however they did not know that it was powered by a mains
powered transformer that was under insulation.

No attempt was made to isolate the bell wires and IMHO for the last two
days the bell wires have been touching resulting in the transformer
overheating and causing a small fire that took out several T&E lighting
cables before the MCB tripped.

The yellowish insulation is the old stuff, the 300mm new brown stuff was
placed over the old stuff back in November.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/d/dc/Doorbell1.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/4/4e/Doorbell2.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/1/10/Doorbell3.jpg
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/0/0e/Doorbell4.jpg

Lucky *******s looking at the scorch marks on that timbers.

One other point/question. The insulation has turned white where the most
heat was. Any ideas why?

Good greif, that's scary. Was there a secondary side fuse inside?



Well the apprentice mistook "Leave the transformer in the van" for
"throw it in the bin" however I shall retrieve it on Monday morning for
closer examination.

--
Adam

On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one. If
not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to not
having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.

On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one.
If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to
not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.


Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?
We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world markets
with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

On 27/04/2018 22:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one.
If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to
not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.


Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?

I don't recall this? If so a very small minority might have made such an
assertion.

We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world markets
with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

We don't currently compete that well now, in buying more from the EU
than we sell.

Brexit was never about these things that sore loser Remoaners bang on about.

dennis@home wrote:

On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one.
If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to
not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.


Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?
We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world markets
with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

We'll have to learn to use aspirational (as opposed to tested) CE
marking in that case. Everyone looks for the CE mark (except in the US
where they have a similar mark).


--

Roger Hayter

On 27/04/2018 23:54, Roger Hayter wrote:
dennis@home wrote:

On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one.
If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to
not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.


Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?
We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world markets
with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

We'll have to learn to use aspirational (as opposed to tested) CE
marking in that case. Everyone looks for the CE mark (except in the US
where they have a similar mark).

I wonder what percentage of Chinese Export imports are actually tested.

Some while ago, for a technical file, I asked a reputable supplier for
their compliance testing results for their power supply that was CE
marked. After a very long while they supplied some paperwork for an item
that had a similar function but was a very different design.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one. If
not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to not
having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.

Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how are
we going to do that without ignoring safety?

By only doing the stuff that matters safety wise
and not all the other bull**** the EU also requires.

We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world markets
with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

On 27/04/18 22:04, dennis@home wrote:
Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?

There, in a nutshell is the remoaner stupidity encapsulated.

single example: How can we make electricity cheaper without ignoring safety?


repel the climate change act.


The staggering naivete that thinks that all EU legislation is good and
about safety shows how brainwashed the remoaners are.

EU legislation is about political virtue signalling and promoting and
protecting (chiefly German) industry against competition from the rest
of the world.

On 27/04/2018 23:16, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 22:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one.
If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to
not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.


Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?

I don't recall this? If so a very small minority might have made such an
assertion.

We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world
markets with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

We don't currently compete that well now, in buying more from the EU
than we sell.

Brexit was never about these things that sore loser Remoaners bang on
about.

No its all about some wishy washy excuse called sovereignty which as can
be seen from many of the posts here means "we hate foreigners".
Not one liever here has been able to say what they actually mean by
sovereignty and what they actually think they are getting back.

On 27/04/2018 23:54, Roger Hayter wrote:
dennis@home wrote:

On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one.
If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to
not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.


Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?
We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world markets
with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

We'll have to learn to use aspirational (as opposed to tested) CE
marking in that case. Everyone looks for the CE mark (except in the US
where they have a similar mark).



You mean a "Certified English" mark. Shortly to be known as "Crappy
English".

On 28/04/2018 09:48, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 23:16, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 22:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal
fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for
one. If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to
not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.


Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?

I don't recall this? If so a very small minority might have made such
an assertion.

We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world
markets with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

We don't currently compete that well now, in buying more from the EU
than we sell.

Brexit was never about these things that sore loser Remoaners bang on
about.

No its all about some wishy washy excuse called sovereignty which as can
be seen from many of the posts here means "we hate foreigners".

That's right, the important things.

Housing shortages, stagnating wages and the lack of infrastructure to
match immigration. As a Remoaner you are free to interpret these
fundamental issues as "we hate foreigners", but it goes to show how in
denial the likes of you are to change in the UK.

Since you already own a house and don't work, I can see why you might be
Remoaning.

Not one liever here has been able to say what they actually mean by
sovereignty and what they actually think they are getting back.

Yes, they have repeatedly said what is meant, where Parliament can enact
laws they choose, and not those thrust upon them.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 27/04/2018 23:16, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 22:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal
fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one.
If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to
not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.


Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?

I don't recall this? If so a very small minority might have made such an
assertion.

We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world markets
with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

We don't currently compete that well now, in buying more from the EU than
we sell.

Brexit was never about these things that sore loser Remoaners bang on
about.

No its all about some wishy washy excuse called sovereignty which as can
be seen from many of the posts here means "we hate foreigners".

Even sillier than you usually manage, and thats saying something.

Not one liever here has been able to say what they actually mean by
sovereignty

More remoaner lies. It means that Britain gets to decide what
it allows and doesnt allow rather than the EU deciding that.

and what they actually think they are getting back.

Obviously the right to decide what is and isnt allowed, remoaner.

On 28/04/2018 09:59, Fredxx wrote:
On 28/04/2018 09:48, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 23:16, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 22:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal
fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for
one. If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back
to not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.


Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff,
how are we going to do that without ignoring safety?

I don't recall this? If so a very small minority might have made such
an assertion.

We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world
markets with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

We don't currently compete that well now, in buying more from the EU
than we sell.

Brexit was never about these things that sore loser Remoaners bang on
about.

No its all about some wishy washy excuse called sovereignty which as
can be seen from many of the posts here means "we hate foreigners".

That's right, the important things.

Housing shortages, stagnating wages and the lack of infrastructure to
match immigration. As a Remoaner you are free to interpret these
fundamental issues as "we hate foreigners", but it goes to show how in
denial the likes of you are to change in the UK.

Since you already own a house and don't work, I can see why you might be
Remoaning.

Not one liever here has been able to say what they actually mean by
sovereignty and what they actually think they are getting back.

Yes, they have repeatedly said what is meant, where Parliament can enact
laws they choose, and not those thrust upon them.



Currently parliament can enact any law it likes and doesn't have to
follow any thrust upon it. So what are you gaining that you don't
already have?
You do know that parliament has to accept any "laws" the EU passes
before they are valid in the UK. The fact that they do pass those laws
is because they have the sovereignty to do so.
Just like they have the sovereignty to stop more than 60% of immigration
but choose not to do so.
Like wise they have the sovereignty to not pay benefits but choose to do so.
I don't think you understand what you want is not the same as the
government wants. I don't even think you understand which one of you
will get what they want.

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one. If
not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to not
having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.

Really? Most Brexiteers equate any EU regs to being nonsense and must be
revoked. And most of them are too thick to realise why they were needed,
or indeed care.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Tjoepstil wrote:
On 27/04/18 22:04, dennis@home wrote:
Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?

There, in a nutshell is the remoaner stupidity encapsulated.

single example: How can we make electricity cheaper without ignoring safety?


repel the climate change act.


The staggering naivete that thinks that all EU legislation is good and
about safety shows how brainwashed the remoaners are.

EU legislation is about political virtue signalling and promoting and
protecting (chiefly German) industry against competition from the rest
of the world.

Thanks for confirming what seems to be a typical Brexiteer view. All EU
legislation is political. Just shows how little they know (or care).

BTW, don't you think it rather odd a country like France would be happy
with legislation designed to protect German industry?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:

Housing shortages, stagnating wages and the lack of infrastructure to
match immigration. As a Remoaner you are free to interpret these
fundamental issues as "we hate foreigners", but it goes to show how in
denial the likes of you are to change in the UK.

Assuming you are a good Tory, you actually want the wages of the lowest
paid to go up substantially? That will be a first...

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 28/04/2018 11:00, dennis@home wrote:
On 28/04/2018 09:59, Fredxx wrote:
On 28/04/2018 09:48, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 23:16, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 22:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 21:43, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a
thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for
one. If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back
to not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.


Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff,
how are we going to do that without ignoring safety?

I don't recall this? If so a very small minority might have made
such an assertion.

We won't be competing in the semi closed EU market but the world
markets with all the other cheap manufacturers like india and china.

We don't currently compete that well now, in buying more from the EU
than we sell.

Brexit was never about these things that sore loser Remoaners bang
on about.

No its all about some wishy washy excuse called sovereignty which as
can be seen from many of the posts here means "we hate foreigners".

That's right, the important things.

Housing shortages, stagnating wages and the lack of infrastructure to
match immigration. As a Remoaner you are free to interpret these
fundamental issues as "we hate foreigners", but it goes to show how in
denial the likes of you are to change in the UK.

Since you already own a house and don't work, I can see why you might
be Remoaning.

Not one liever here has been able to say what they actually mean by
sovereignty and what they actually think they are getting back.

Yes, they have repeatedly said what is meant, where Parliament can
enact laws they choose, and not those thrust upon them.



Currently parliament can enact any law it likes and doesn't have to
follow any thrust upon it.

Wrong.

On 28/04/2018 11:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one. If
not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to not
having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.

Really? Most Brexiteers equate any EU regs to being nonsense and must be
revoked. And most of them are too thick to realise why they were needed,
or indeed care.

Typical of a Remoaner to think he speaks for Brexiters.

Most Brexiters think most of the EU derived laws are sensible. Others
such as the illegal recycling of jam jars less so. Most Remoaners think
that is a stupid law too.

On 28/04/2018 11:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tjoepstil wrote:
On 27/04/18 22:04, dennis@home wrote:
Lievers are the ones that say we are going to make cheaper stuff, how
are we going to do that without ignoring safety?

There, in a nutshell is the remoaner stupidity encapsulated.

single example: How can we make electricity cheaper without ignoring safety?


repel the climate change act.


The staggering naivete that thinks that all EU legislation is good and
about safety shows how brainwashed the remoaners are.

EU legislation is about political virtue signalling and promoting and
protecting (chiefly German) industry against competition from the rest
of the world.

Thanks for confirming what seems to be a typical Brexiteer view. All EU
legislation is political. Just shows how little they know (or care).

BTW, don't you think it rather odd a country like France would be happy
with legislation designed to protect German industry?


TBH the French are never happy are they?


--
Adam

Fredxx wrote:
On 28/04/2018 11:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one. If
not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to not
having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.

Really? Most Brexiteers equate any EU regs to being nonsense and must be
revoked. And most of them are too thick to realise why they were needed,
or indeed care.

Typical of a Remoaner to think he speaks for Brexiters.

Most Brexiters think most of the EU derived laws are sensible. Others
such as the illegal recycling of jam jars less so. Most Remoaners think
that is a stupid law too.

But is it true? Making up bonkers €œlaws€� to support brexit isnt a powerful
argument.

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK...tent-eu-rules/

Tim

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Please don't feed the trolls

On 28/04/2018 11:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:

Housing shortages, stagnating wages and the lack of infrastructure to
match immigration. As a Remoaner you are free to interpret these
fundamental issues as "we hate foreigners", but it goes to show how in
denial the likes of you are to change in the UK.

Assuming you are a good Tory, you actually want the wages of the lowest
paid to go up substantially? That will be a first...

You seem to know very little about me.

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 28/04/2018 11:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal
fuse inside the winding which would rupture long before the
transformer overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one.
If not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to
not having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.

Really? Most Brexiteers equate any EU regs to being nonsense and must
be revoked. And most of them are too thick to realise why they were
needed, or indeed care.

Typical of a Remoaner to think he speaks for Brexiters.

Most Brexiters think most of the EU derived laws are sensible.

If that is your view, you are rather rare among the Brexiteers on here.

Others
such as the illegal recycling of jam jars less so. Most Remoaners think
that is a stupid law too.

Ah - right. Yet another Brexiteer being happy with a leap into the dark
over something so inconsequential as jam jars. Perhaps it was the bent
bananas which swayed you?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 28/04/2018 11:33, Tim+ wrote:
Fredxx wrote:
On 28/04/2018 11:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 12:31, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/04/2018 01:47, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/04/2018 00:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

8

Good grief. I'd expect a transformer like that to have a thermal fuse
inside the winding which would rupture long before the transformer
overheated.

That was my thought, and I thought there was a requirement for one. If
not there ought to be.


The EU requires one but don't worry when we leave we can go back to not
having them.

Only an idiot Remoaner would contemplate such.

Really? Most Brexiteers equate any EU regs to being nonsense and must be
revoked. And most of them are too thick to realise why they were needed,
or indeed care.

Typical of a Remoaner to think he speaks for Brexiters.

Most Brexiters think most of the EU derived laws are sensible. Others
such as the illegal recycling of jam jars less so. Most Remoaners think
that is a stupid law too.

But is it true? Making up bonkers €œlaws€� to support brexit isnt a powerful
argument.

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK...tent-eu-rules/

Interesting, the wording I recall said about jars for resale. No mention
of a business us was made, the exception was jars specifically made for
re-use like Kilner Jars.

There was a thread on here some years ago that supported the hypothesis
that offering for sale reused jars was indeed illegal, where Trading
Standards official line was they would turn a blind eye for the
occasional use, such as fetes etc.