Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.



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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:16:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.


I think you will find that you accidentally clicked on the shiny "yes"
button instead of the discreetly positioned "no thanks" button at some
point.

Very easy to do. The site is designed that way.

Cheers



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On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service without
your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a trial of
Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when the trial
period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is not difficult
accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to the checkout.

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On 22/04/18 09:42, David wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:16:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.


I think you will find that you accidentally clicked on the shiny "yes"
button instead of the discreetly positioned "no thanks" button at some
point.

No. I did NOT.

I did that once before and have been uber careful ever since


Very easy to do. The site is designed that way.

Cheers



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On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service without
your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a trial of
Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when the trial
period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is not difficult
accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to the checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.



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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not taken
prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.



They got me that way as well.....shower of barstewards .........some would
say we should have avoided it but they are so sneeky ....

The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service without
your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a trial of
Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when the trial
period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is not difficult
accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to the checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.

So sue them.
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"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not taken
prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

They nearly got me when it was first introduced. ISTR some online
discussion warning people.

A greater annoyance for us technically challenged is the proliferation of
*clickbait* found when following up a seemingly innocuous upgrade message.
CCleaner is a prime example with lots of attractive green please click
here buttons:-(

The usual one is an option "While we install this program that you have
asked for, do you want us also to install some unrelated program and change
your default browser to Google" (I'm paraphrasing the wording!) on one of
the several screens that appears during installation. I always read each
screen carefully and look specifically for tick boxes that may be ticked by
default, especially with a new program as opposed to an upgrade to a program
I've already installed.

I never just blindly click through Next, Next, Next on those screens.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:59:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service without
your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a trial of
Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when the trial
period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is not
difficult accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to the
checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.

I have just given up using Amazon. Except in extremis, where no one else
has what I want.

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On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.




Are you sure that they signed you up? They are rather sneaky in what
options they present on the screen when you want free postage. Say yes
to next day free postage and you are signed up to the Prime trial period.

In my experience you have to say no to the free postage for next day
delivery at least twice (after reading the small print) and then in one
of the final screens change the option from postage with an additional
cost to the 3 to 5 day delivery option.

I have noticed that Amazon are pushing Prime and to make a difference in
the service they are hanging on to other orders for a week before
dispatching them. The dispatched order will then arrive the next day!



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On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

I was caught like this, where I was given an option of two buttons to press.

I deliberated for a while, believing one definitely signed me up to
prime, and the other I eventually clicked on had an ambiguous
description but was the lesser of two evils. I then found I was signed up.

I felt Amazon put me in a position between a rock and a hard place, and
still have no idea how I could escape signing up.

It was a simple matter to cancel, but I made my feelings made through a
varied choice of words in their complaints channel.

Bob Eager Wrote in message:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:59:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service without
your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a trial of
Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when the trial
period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is not
difficult accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to the
checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.

I have just given up using Amazon. Except in extremis, where no one else
has what I want.

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On 22/04/18 10:32, alan_m wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.




Are you sure that they signed you up?Â* They are rather sneaky in what
options they present on the screen when you want free postage. Say yes
to next day free postage and you are signed up to the Prime trial period.

In my experience you have to say no to the free postage for next day
delivery at least twice (after reading the small print) and then in one
of the final screens change the option from postage with an additional
cost to the 3 to 5 day delivery option.

I said no to next day free - because that was today anyway - but they
still signed me up.


I have noticed that Amazon are pushing Prime and to make a difference in
the service they are hanging on to other orders for a week before
dispatching them. The dispatched order will then arrive the next day!


When I was in business we expected to win customers by listening to what
they wanted and selling it to them. And supporting them.

Today's consumer market makes Clive Sinclair look like an honest man.






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On 22/04/18 10:35, Fredxx wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

I was caught like this, where I was given an option of two buttons to
press.

I deliberated for a while, believing one definitely signed me up to
prime, and the other I eventually clicked on had an ambiguous
description but was the lesser of two evils. I then found I was signed up.

I felt Amazon put me in a position between a rock and a hard place, and
still have no idea how I could escape signing up.

It was a simple matter to cancel, but I made my feelings made through a
varied choice of words in their complaints channel.

Indeed. That was pretty much my experience.


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alan_m wrote:

They are rather sneaky in what
options they present on the screen when you want free postage. Say yes
to next day free postage and you are signed up to the Prime trial period.

There are times I have knowingly signed-up for a Prime trial, and got a
****-load of free next day deliveries in before cancelling, and
apparently like many people, I've somehow been suckered into clicking
for free delivery and ended up on paid Prime when I didn't want it (they
did refund it), similarly I just think TNP wasn't careful *enough*
despite what he thinks.

I have noticed that Amazon are pushing Prime and to make a difference in
the service they are hanging on to other orders for a week before
dispatching them.

I've not found that, I've had free delivery items ordered on a saturday
evening arrive sunday afternoon - imagine how much you'd have had to pay
for that a few years ago?

On 22/04/2018 10:32, alan_m wrote:
....
I have noticed that Amazon are pushing Prime and to make a difference in
the service they are hanging on to other orders for a week before
dispatching them. The dispatched order will then arrive the next day!

I regularly use Amazon, but don't use Prime. Looking at the last month,
none of my deliveries have taken more than 2-3 days.


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On 22/04/2018 09:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service
without your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a
trial of Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when
the trial period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is
not difficult accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to
the checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.



Me too.

I *may* be wrong, but GDPR might be tightening up on this. OK Amazon are
sneaky, but they are also pretty good on customer service. I suspect
that if you found a debit, and challenged it, they would refund it.

Actually no, as being blind there is no shiny button, only a yes and no
thanks. However I think randomly customers are placed on the free month
offer. Its much like in the old days of Tandy, you had a leaflet in your bag
saying we are giving you so many free batteries for some months, but if you
wanted to retain these extras, you had to get their card,. That was an auto
opt out though, and as such OK, Amazon make you opt out and after 25th may
if I read the law right, they will have to auto cancel after a month or
whatever free period, and they don't like that idea at all!
Luckily as I say the audio for the buttons is pretty obvious and not
confusing neither is the state of checkboxes on the items that have a
special prime price, if you select one you also get prime membership.
Brian

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:16:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.


I think you will find that you accidentally clicked on the shiny "yes"
button instead of the discreetly positioned "no thanks" button at some
point.

Very easy to do. The site is designed that way.

Cheers



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Well for me it is hard to opt in, as the buttons are not visually presented
obviously. I know they did it just prior to Christmas as there were others
who had had the same issue. It is not illegal to give you something for
nothing. However when the law changes it will have to be opt in not opt out
of the paying service. As I say, for some people who seem to live on Amazon
its probably a big saving in the long run, but not for the occasional buyer.
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On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not taken
prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service without
your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a trial of
Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when the trial
period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is not difficult
accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to the checkout.

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 10:33:10 +0100, Jim K wrote:

Bob Eager Wrote in message:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:59:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service
without your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a
trial of Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed
when the trial period ends. Given the way they present the options,
it is not difficult accidentally to chose to trial Prime when
navigating to the checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.

I have just given up using Amazon. Except in extremis, where no one
else has what I want.

Where do you go now then?

A variety of places. Google and the Shopping tab usually work, and it
ends up being just the same few suppliers. For e-books, usually Google
Play (and no DRM to speak of).


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"Nightjar" wrote in message
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On 22/04/2018 10:32, alan_m wrote:
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I have noticed that Amazon are pushing Prime and to make a difference in
the service they are hanging on to other orders for a week before
dispatching them. The dispatched order will then arrive the next day!

I regularly use Amazon, but don't use Prime. Looking at the last month,
none of my deliveries have taken more than 2-3 days.


never pay to save money .....

I have been signed up TWICE ....is this a record ?



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Actually no, as being blind there is no shiny button, only a yes and no
thanks. However I think randomly customers are placed on the free month
offer. Its much like in the old days of Tandy, you had a leaflet in your
bag saying we are giving you so many free batteries for some months, but
if you wanted to retain these extras, you had to get their card,. That was
an auto opt out though, and as such OK, Amazon make you opt out and after
25th may if I read the law right, they will have to auto cancel after a
month or whatever free period, and they don't like that idea at all!
Luckily as I say the audio for the buttons is pretty obvious and not
confusing neither is the state of checkboxes on the items that have a
special prime price, if you select one you also get prime membership.
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:16:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.


I think you will find that you accidentally clicked on the shiny "yes"
button instead of the discreetly positioned "no thanks" button at some
point.

Very easy to do. The site is designed that way.

Cheers



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Do you have an Amazon Echo or Echo dot etc? In the alexa app you will find
it is very easy to accidentally sign up for prime or music unlimited both of
which are paid services. I would only mention this as mobile users often get
caught due to the way they swipe and click and then suddenly there is an
extra option they do not notice. Once again the blind can hear the
screenreader and take steps to avoid this. About a week ago there was a box
popping up on Amazon on the way to checkout about insurance. a totally
unneeded thing and it needed to be dismissed carefully as there was a paid
opt in checkbox on it. I see that has gone now, maybe somebody complained.
No the marketers are always trying to con you, but they would call it
something else of course.. grin.
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The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service without
your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a trial of
Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when the trial
period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is not difficult
accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to the checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.

So sue them.
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Well its not that bad. I hate ebay, and many many sites are totally
inaccessible to blind users, and to me normally, Amazon have been fair and
helpful when I contact them or their sellers.
If you decided every time you saw an advert down the high street and buy
whatever then you would be a little mad.
I've been to many shops where they have given me a free gift but I've
always enquired if there are strings attached and sometimes there is, read
the small print.
which I get them to do if I might be interested of course!

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:59:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service without
your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a trial of
Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when the trial
period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is not
difficult accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to the
checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.

I have just given up using Amazon. Except in extremis, where no one else
has what I want.

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Really?
I don't see it that way, but it depends on how often you go in and whether
you read your emails or not.
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Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not taken
prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.



They got me that way as well.....shower of barstewards .........some would
say we should have avoided it but they are so sneeky ....

Well ccleaner, avg and Avast are all run by the same crowd now. The one
annoying thing is that I have unclicky on my machine and it has helped a lot
with why not install this overbloated heap of crap with ccleaner installers,
but they have craftily changed it now so you get no choice till the
installer for whatever it is loads in and by then its tentacles are in. Its
usually avast meaning you then need to get avastclean from the avast site to
get rid of the tentacles even though its actually not officially installed.
My guess is that its monitoring what you are doing maybe to help look for
viruses but the fact is for the blind avast and avg are now totally
inaccessible unless you turn of protect mode which rather defeats the point
don't you think?
The blocking routines are the first to be put in and cannot be removed by
the uninstaller, and they stop screenreaders hooking in to the code as they
brand this as malicious.#

Bloody vandals!
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Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not taken
prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

They nearly got me when it was first introduced. ISTR some online
discussion warning people.

A greater annoyance for us technically challenged is the proliferation of
*clickbait* found when following up a seemingly innocuous upgrade message.
CCleaner is a prime example with lots of attractive green please click
here buttons:-(

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On 22/04/18 11:29, newshound wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service
without your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a
trial of Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed
when the trial period ends. Given the way they present the options,
it is not difficult accidentally to chose to trial Prime when
navigating to the checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.



Me too.

I *may* be wrong, but GDPR might be tightening up on this. OK Amazon are
sneaky, but they are also pretty good on customer service. I suspect
that if you found a debit, and challenged it, they would refund it.
They did last toime.

This time they sent some emails saying 'welcome to prime' so I said WTF?
and they had signed me up. I cancelled immediately


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Oy, I know Clive sSinclair, so be careful, he was I feel and still is,
pretty naive in thinking that things will go how his logic determines they
will, and often the bankers and other reptiles in the industry have taken
advantage of this. He really does have no knowledge about business. Typical
boffin in fact.

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On 22/04/18 10:32, alan_m wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not taken
prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.




Are you sure that they signed you up? They are rather sneaky in what
options they present on the screen when you want free postage. Say yes to
next day free postage and you are signed up to the Prime trial period.

In my experience you have to say no to the free postage for next day
delivery at least twice (after reading the small print) and then in one
of the final screens change the option from postage with an additional
cost to the 3 to 5 day delivery option.

I said no to next day free - because that was today anyway - but they
still signed me up.


I have noticed that Amazon are pushing Prime and to make a difference in
the service they are hanging on to other orders for a week before
dispatching them. The dispatched order will then arrive the next day!


When I was in business we expected to win customers by listening to what
they wanted and selling it to them. And supporting them.

Today's consumer market makes Clive Sinclair look like an honest man.






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I've not had this experience at all. Its always up front what you need to
get free delivery, you either need to make up the cost of the order from
that supplier to a certain amount or join prime, its always been this way.
What I find odd though is that when you buy a cd, for example some get
added to the free mp3 list and can be played via an echo, but others cannot,
I suppose it depends on the deal with the supplier, but here does not seem
to be logic to it at all. I thus have a huge list of Shires, Enya, and a few
others but no Kate bush or old seekers tracks.
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alan_m wrote:

They are rather sneaky in what
options they present on the screen when you want free postage. Say yes
to next day free postage and you are signed up to the Prime trial period.

There are times I have knowingly signed-up for a Prime trial, and got a
****-load of free next day deliveries in before cancelling, and apparently
like many people, I've somehow been suckered into clicking for free
delivery and ended up on paid Prime when I didn't want it (they did refund
it), similarly I just think TNP wasn't careful *enough* despite what he
thinks.

I have noticed that Amazon are pushing Prime and to make a difference in
the service they are hanging on to other orders for a week before
dispatching them.

I've not found that, I've had free delivery items ordered on a saturday
evening arrive sunday afternoon - imagine how much you'd have had to pay
for that a few years ago?

On 22/04/2018 11:53, Huge wrote:
On 2018-04-22, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 10:32, alan_m wrote:
...
I have noticed that Amazon are pushing Prime and to make a difference in
the service they are hanging on to other orders for a week before
dispatching them. The dispatched order will then arrive the next day!

I regularly use Amazon, but don't use Prime. Looking at the last month,
none of my deliveries have taken more than 2-3 days.

Prime isn't worth having in the UK. It's mainly aimed at the US, where
deliveries routinely take over a week.

Even that wouldn't be a problem for most things I order.

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On 22/04/18 10:31, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:59:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service without
your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a trial of
Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when the trial
period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is not
difficult accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to the
checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.

I have just given up using Amazon. Except in extremis, where no one else
has what I want.


I'm still using them for the low hassle/reliable delivery aspect. The
problem is, a new supplier is like a lottery. The few suppliers I know
well who use DPD and have clear "order by X hours and we'll ship today"
get my business.

But too many times a new supplier is a lucky dip - ship in a few days
when they can be bothered, uses Yodel or 2nd class post...

On 22/04/2018 09:42, David wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:16:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.


I think you will find that you accidentally clicked on the shiny "yes"
button instead of the discreetly positioned "no thanks" button at some
point.

Very easy to do. The site is designed that way.

Cheers



Dave R



The AA cunningly sign you up to a recurring debit agreement
if you apply for and pay for car insurance on-line. They
have really carefully hidden that tick-box.

On 22/04/18 09:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I hadÂ* not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service
without your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a
trial of Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed when
the trial period ends. Given the way they present the options, it is
not difficult accidentally to chose to trial Prime when navigating to
the checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.



My impression of uber is that they are not very careful at all.

Nick

On 22/04/2018 12:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
Oy, I know Clive sSinclair, so be careful, he was I feel and still is,
pretty naive in thinking that things will go how his logic determines they
will, and often the bankers and other reptiles in the industry have taken
advantage of this. He really does have no knowledge about business. Typical
boffin in fact.

He thought the C5 was a good idea. What does that make him?

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The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.


Of course there is a law against it. Amazon would be insane to
bill people for an unrequested service.

Bet you they can show that in one way or another, you did consent
to it though.


Tim

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On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.


They probably signed you up with your agreement, but you just missed
what you were agreeing to (because they make it very easy to do
"accidentally")


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John Rumm wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.


They probably signed you up with your agreement, but you just missed
what you were agreeing to (because they make it very easy to do
"accidentally")


I think that, you think that, but what chance TNP accepting that? ;-)

Tim

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On 22/04/2018 21:17, Tim+ wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.


They probably signed you up with your agreement, but you just missed
what you were agreeing to (because they make it very easy to do
"accidentally")


I think that, you think that, but what chance TNP accepting that? ;-)

Tim

I havent read all the posts but the one time I used Amazon I had
unkowingly signed for prime, I phoned and they cancelled it and
reimbursed my payment.

Anythin I now do online eg car insurance, travel insurance etc I ask 2
questions:
1. is the call recorded and (I then take date time & name)
2. Is it auto renewal (I then ask for it not to be auto renewed)

On 22/04/2018 11:53, Huge wrote:
On 2018-04-22, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 10:32, alan_m wrote:
...
I have noticed that Amazon are pushing Prime and to make a difference in
the service they are hanging on to other orders for a week before
dispatching them. The dispatched order will then arrive the next day!

I regularly use Amazon, but don't use Prime. Looking at the last month,
none of my deliveries have taken more than 2-3 days.

Prime isn't worth having in the UK. It's mainly aimed at the US, where
deliveries routinely take over a week.

If it were just discounted/free delivery then that could be true. If
however you want/value some of the other bundled bits (TV/Music/eBooks
etc) then the package as a whole can be a bit more attractive IMHO.


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Jim K wrote:
Bob Eager Wrote in message:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:59:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/04/18 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 22/04/2018 09:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon signed me up without my say so for 'Prime' and if I had not
taken prompt action it would have cost me £75 a year.

SFAIK, it is illegal for you to be enrolled in a paying service
without your consent. However, if you have, at any time, accepted a
trial of Prime, you have agreed to it being automatically renewed
when the trial period ends. Given the way they present the options,
it is not difficult accidentally to chose to trial Prime when
navigating to the checkout.

Except that having been caught that way once, I am uber careful.

I have just given up using Amazon. Except in extremis, where no one
else has what I want.

Where do you go now then?

I've managed rather well without ever using Amazon.

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