Places that contain a communal area like a kitchen, rest room etc; but
are within a community structure, like for instance a club or our
allotment do need a bit of organisation for 'cleaning duties'. Since
there is little of a management hierarchy to *order* people to do a
weeks cleaning and maintenance.

How might things be organised to perhaps *shame* some dodgers into doing
a turn sometimes. But to try to do so without causing any
unpleasantness amongst those in the community ?

On 08/04/2018 20:36, john west wrote:

Places that contain a communal area like a kitchen, rest room etc; but
are within a community structure, like for instance a club or our
allotment do need a bit of organisation for 'cleaning duties'. Since
there is little of a management hierarchy to *order* people to do a
weeks cleaning and maintenance.

How might things be organised to perhaps *shame* some dodgers into doing
a turn sometimes.Â* But to try to do so without causing any
unpleasantness amongst those in the community ?

Increase subs the following year for shirkers?

The real question is do you want these people in the 'club'?

On Sunday, 8 April 2018 20:36:37 UTC+1, john west wrote:

Places that contain a communal area like a kitchen, rest room etc; but
are within a community structure, like for instance a club or our
allotment do need a bit of organisation for 'cleaning duties'. Since
there is little of a management hierarchy to *order* people to do a
weeks cleaning and maintenance.

How might things be organised to perhaps *shame* some dodgers into doing
a turn sometimes. But to try to do so without causing any
unpleasantness amongst those in the community ?

It does depend on age, but typically nothing works except punishing them. Find something they will not appreciate not having if they don't do it, and arrange a rota & stick to it. You do of course have to get that voted in first or it'll never fly. It all has to be pre-agreed.


NT

In message , john west
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Places that contain a communal area like a kitchen, rest room etc; but
are within a community structure, like for instance a club or our
allotment do need a bit of organisation for 'cleaning duties'. Since
there is little of a management hierarchy to *order* people to do a
weeks cleaning and maintenance.

How might things be organised to perhaps *shame* some dodgers into
doing a turn sometimes. But to try to do so without causing any
unpleasantness amongst those in the community ?

Hah! It takes all sorts to make up the human race.

One system that seems to work is a discounted membership fee where a
reduction is exchanged for managed duties.
If they don't work they pay the full fee.

Published rota? At least other members would learn who the shirkers are.

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Tim Lamb

On 08/04/2018 20:51, wrote:

It does depend on age, but typically nothing works except punishing them.

Rather than a public flogging, scatter grass seed on their vegetable patch.

GB Wrote in message:
On 08/04/2018 20:51, wrote:

It does depend on age, but typically nothing works except punishing them.

Rather than a public flogging, scatter grass seed on their vegetable patch.



Weedkiller for persistent offenders...
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On Sunday, 8 April 2018 21:36:21 UTC+1, GB wrote:
On 08/04/2018 20:51, tabbypurr wrote:

It does depend on age, but typically nothing works except punishing them.

Rather than a public flogging, scatter grass seed on their vegetable patch.

I dunno why but public flogging doesn't seem to go down well these days
They need to miss out on something if they don't do their bit.


NT

Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , john west
writes

Places that contain a communal area like a kitchen, rest room etc; but
are within a community structure, like for instance a club or our
allotment do need a bit of organisation for 'cleaning duties'. Since
there is little of a management hierarchy to *order* people to do a
weeks cleaning and maintenance.

How might things be organised to perhaps *shame* some dodgers into
doing a turn sometimes.Â* But to try to do so without causing any
unpleasantness amongst those in the community ?

Hah! It takes all sorts to make up the human race.

One system that seems to work is a discounted membership fee where a
reduction is exchanged for managed duties.
If they don't work they pay the full fee.

Published rota? At least other members would learn who the shirkers are.

Compulsion does not always work with irascible oldies better by far for
someone to say, hey, come and give us a hand

If you find a way do share. there is a room we and other groups rent, all
too often crumbs all over the floor, doors not closed securely and the
fridge is almost ready to walk out the door on its own.
Brian

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Places that contain a communal area like a kitchen, rest room etc; but are
within a community structure, like for instance a club or our allotment do
need a bit of organisation for 'cleaning duties'. Since there is little of
a management hierarchy to *order* people to do a weeks cleaning and
maintenance.

How might things be organised to perhaps *shame* some dodgers into doing a
turn sometimes. But to try to do so without causing any unpleasantness
amongst those in the community ?

On 08/04/2018 21:39, Jim K wrote:
GB Wrote in message:
On 08/04/2018 20:51, wrote:

It does depend on age, but typically nothing works except punishing them.

Rather than a public flogging, scatter grass seed on their vegetable patch.



Weedkiller for persistent offenders...


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On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 20:53:03 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote:

One system that seems to work is a discounted membership fee where a
reduction is exchanged for managed duties.
If they don't work they pay the full fee.

This. The local archery club has a similar system that works with little
friction: The membership fees is discounted, and the paid excess refunded at the
end of the year, if the member does his x hours work.

This also addresses the problem of those physically unable to work, only able to
work at times when there is no work to be done etc.


Thomas Prufer

On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 20:36:44 +0100, john west wrote:

Since there is little of a management hierarchy to *order* people to do
a weeks cleaning and maintenance.

Without some form of agreed procedures it ain't going to happen. You
need to avoid making it a chor as well, having to do a whole week
and/or a lot of things turns it into a chore and it won't happen. Try
to split tasks so doing the crockery/cutlry has two people (so thay
can chat, makes the time go quicker), one with hands in sink, one
with T towel drying and putting away. Someone else collects the
crockery/cutlry, someone else generally tidies, etc.

How might things be organised to perhaps *shame* some dodgers into doing
a turn sometimes.

If you have one of the "irascable oldies" who tells it like it is
*and* does their turn, so it can't be turned back on them. They could
say in a loud voice, when one of the known shirkers is due to do
something "John, looks like your turn to do the ... today", so
everyone knows who should be doing that task...

But without general agreement on tasks and frequency (which depends
on how many people are involved and how often the meetings occur)
nothing will change. There also needs to be a "public record" of who
did what. So "John" can't shirk by simply not turning up or "have
another comitment" when it's his turn to do something.

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Dave.

In article ,
john west wrote:

Places that contain a communal area like a kitchen, rest room etc; but
are within a community structure, like for instance a club or our
allotment do need a bit of organisation for 'cleaning duties'. Since
there is little of a management hierarchy to *order* people to do a
weeks cleaning and maintenance.

How might things be organised to perhaps *shame* some dodgers into doing
a turn sometimes. But to try to do so without causing any
unpleasantness amongst those in the community ?

An agreed roster of whose turn it is, kept in a prominent place? So it is
obvious to all if someone is shirking?

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