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Our boiler flue slopes downwards, so most of the condensate runs out
that way. This is the result: http://tinypic.com/m/k2k6k6/2 (For Brian, it's a massive icicle hanging from our bin which is right under the flue.) |
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Yes seen this sort of thing before. They can also hang from street lamps and
actually damage people or cars underneath when they drop off from a great height. Many years ago when we first moved in in the 1950s, we used to get icicles inside the house where the ceiling curved around at the eaves. We had a paraffin heater at the time so I'm assuming his is where the moisture came from. This cold snap has been strange at least here in that there have been very few iciccles according to other people. the humidity of the air has been incredibly low for some reason. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "GB" wrote in message news Our boiler flue slopes downwards, so most of the condensate runs out that way. This is the result: http://tinypic.com/m/k2k6k6/2 (For Brian, it's a massive icicle hanging from our bin which is right under the flue.) |
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GB wrote:
Our boiler flue slopes downwards, so most of the condensate runs out that way. This is the result: http://tinypic.com/m/k2k6k6/2 (For Brian, it's a massive icicle hanging from our bin which is right under the flue.) My sisters new boiler flue was like this. Its a cock-up. You should get whoever fitted it back to do it properly (if possible). Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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Brian Gaff expressed precisely :
This cold snap has been strange at least here in that there have been very few iciccles according to other people. the humidity of the air has been incredibly low for some reason. Hence the sublimation, rather than the more usual and messy - melting of the snow. |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2018 10:01:52 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:
This cold snap has been strange at least here in that there have been very few iciccles according to other people. the humidity of the air has been incredibly low for some reason. Apparently a rail line in Sussex (at Balcombe) had problems due to an 8ft icicle in a tunnel. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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GB wrote: Our boiler flue slopes downwards, so most of the condensate runs out that way. This is the result: http://tinypic.com/m/k2k6k6/2 (For Brian, it's a massive icicle hanging from our bin which is right under the flue.) My sister's new boiler flue was like this. It's a cock-up. You should get whoever fitted it back to do it properly (if possible). Tim Before condensing boilers, wasn't that the right way to do it? -- Roger Hayter |
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Huge Wrote in message:
On 2018-03-03, Bob Eager wrote: On Sat, 03 Mar 2018 10:01:52 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote: This cold snap has been strange at least here in that there have been very few iciccles according to other people. the humidity of the air has been incredibly low for some reason. Apparently a rail line in Sussex (at Balcombe) had problems due to an 8ft icicle in a tunnel. http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 03/03/2018 10:38, Roger Hayter wrote:
Tim+ wrote: GB wrote: Our boiler flue slopes downwards, so most of the condensate runs out that way. This is the result: http://tinypic.com/m/k2k6k6/2 (For Brian, it's a massive icicle hanging from our bin which is right under the flue.) My sister's new boiler flue was like this. It's a cock-up. You should get whoever fitted it back to do it properly (if possible). Tim Before condensing boilers, wasn't that the right way to do it? Generally yup. Many condensors have the internal flue pipe set in the outer sleeve at an upward pointing angle - so that even if the flue is bored through the wall horizontally there is still an internal slope. Alas that will only correct for a certain amount of downward angle in the hole. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 03/03/2018 12:06, John Rumm wrote:
On 03/03/2018 10:38, Roger Hayter wrote: Tim+ wrote: GB wrote: Our boiler flue slopes downwards, so most of the condensate runs out that way. This is the result: http://tinypic.com/m/k2k6k6/2 (For Brian, it's a massive icicle hanging from our bin which is right under the flue.) My sister's new boiler flue was like this. It's a cock-up. You should get whoever fitted it back to do it properly (if possible). Tim Before condensing boilers, wasn't that the right way to do it? Generally yup. Many condensors have the internal flue pipe set in the outer sleeve at an upward pointing angle - so that even if the flue is bored through the wall horizontally* there is still an internal slope. Alas that will only correct for a certain amount of downward angle in the hole. What the problem with having the drip going outwards? |
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GB wrote:
On 03/03/2018 12:06, John Rumm wrote: On 03/03/2018 10:38, Roger Hayter wrote: Tim+ wrote: GB wrote: Our boiler flue slopes downwards, so most of the condensate runs out that way. This is the result: http://tinypic.com/m/k2k6k6/2 (For Brian, it's a massive icicle hanging from our bin which is right under the flue.) My sister's new boiler flue was like this. It's a cock-up. You should get whoever fitted it back to do it properly (if possible). Tim Before condensing boilers, wasn't that the right way to do it? Generally yup. Many condensors have the internal flue pipe set in the outer sleeve at an upward pointing angle - so that even if the flue is bored through the wall horizontally there is still an internal slope. Alas that will only correct for a certain amount of downward angle in the hole. What the problem with having the drip going outwards? In reducing order of importance; makes the fitter look stupid, breach of building regs, icicles, environmental pollution, damage to concrete, and possible erosion to the surface of passing small children by the acid effluent. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 03/03/2018 12:43, Roger Hayter wrote:
In reducing order of importance; makes the fitter look stupid, breach of building regs, icicles, environmental pollution, damage to concrete, and possible erosion to the surface of passing small children by the acid effluent. It could be quite hot too and you wouldn't want anyone looking up to see what has dropped on their head and getting it in the eye. |
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On 03/03/2018 12:43, Roger Hayter wrote: In reducing order of importance; makes the fitter look stupid, breach of building regs, icicles, environmental pollution, damage to concrete, and possible erosion to the surface of passing small children by the acid effluent. It could be quite hot too and you wouldn't want anyone looking up to see what has dropped on their head and getting it in the eye. You spotted I put them in reverse order then! And I'd actually forgotten that some people have them quite high up. It must have been a small risk with pre-condenser flues, but I suppose that very little condensed out in those days. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 03/03/18 11:09, Huge wrote:
On 2018-03-03, Bob Eager wrote: On Sat, 03 Mar 2018 10:01:52 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote: This cold snap has been strange at least here in that there have been very few iciccles according to other people. the humidity of the air has been incredibly low for some reason. Apparently a rail line in Sussex (at Balcombe) had problems due to an 8ft icicle in a tunnel. http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 What is that strange picture artefact just left of centre and dead straight from the curve of the tunnel above the wall to the nearside line? On checking again, there seem to be another two further away - one just below dead centre, and the other a bit longer to the right of it. If there were only two, I'd put it down to some weird lens reflection, but the third one kills even that unlikely suggestion. -- Jeff |
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GB Wrote in message:
On 03/03/2018 12:06, John Rumm wrote: On 03/03/2018 10:38, Roger Hayter wrote: Tim+ wrote: GB wrote: Our boiler flue slopes downwards, so most of the condensate runs out that way. This is the result: http://tinypic.com/m/k2k6k6/2 (For Brian, it's a massive icicle hanging from our bin which is right under the flue.) My sister's new boiler flue was like this. It's a cock-up. You should get whoever fitted it back to do it properly (if possible). Tim Before condensing boilers, wasn't that the right way to do it? Generally yup. Many condensors have the internal flue pipe set in the outer sleeve at an upward pointing angle - so that even if the flue is bored through the wall horizontally there is still an internal slope. Alas that will only correct for a certain amount of downward angle in the hole. What the problem with having the drip going outwards? See your OP :-) -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 03/03/2018 12:53, Roger Hayter wrote:
You spotted I put them in reverse order then! And I'd actually forgotten that some people have them quite high up. It must have been a small risk with pre-condenser flues, but I suppose that very little condensed out in those days. When we had a cold spell a few years ago (-17c here) several of the neighbours flues froze over with the condensate. They were all conventional boilers and they had to go out and chip the ice away. It could have been really dangerous if CO had got into the houses. My balanced flu, non condensing boiler didn't ice up. |
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On 03/03/2018 12:58, Jeff Layman wrote:
What is that strange picture artefact just left of centre and dead straight from the curve of the tunnel above the wall to the nearside line? On checking again, there seem to be another two further away - one just below dead centre, and the other a bit longer to the right of it. If there were only two, I'd put it down to some weird lens reflection, but the third one kills even that unlikely suggestion. Its just falling snow leaving trails due to a fairly long exposure. |
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:47:39 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Jim K
wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. G.Harman |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2018 14:44:06 +0000, damduck-egg wrote:
On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:47:39 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Jim K wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...es-bring-rail- services-to-a-halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. Not applicable in the case of the Sussex one, though. They also re-grew. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:05:03 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote:
Wrote in message: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:47:39 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Jim K wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. G.Harman So how do two blokes in orange anoraks deal with the issues you imagine? Carefully like they are doing in the photo using hand tools and not using the brute force of your wagon idea, you would have to smack the ice quite hard and hope the ice breaks of the tunnel roof as the blade or brush or whatever you envisiage on your customised wagon being pushed against the ice like a bulldozer will not be able to be above the overhead lines. That means the ice may be broken at the height of the blade leaving bits that could still foul train collectors or ground the current, or if it has broken off higher may fall and get caught in the overhead equipment while being moved partially horizontally. The blokes can reach between and above the wires and supports and when knocked off the ice will drop almost vertically and in managable quantities. But carry on choosing between starting to Troll or not having any common sense. G.Harman |
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On 03/03/2018 15:05, jim wrote:
Wrote in message: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:47:39 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Jim K wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. G.Harman So how do two blokes in orange anoraks deal with the issues you imagine? What's wrong with just ****ting them with a big stick? -- Adam |
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On 03/03/2018 16:50, ARW wrote:
On 03/03/2018 15:05, jim wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:47:39 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Jim K wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you haveÂ* knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. G.Harman So how do two blokes in orange anoraks deal with the issues you Â* imagine? What's wrong with just ****ting them with a big stick? The icicles not the blokes in the hi viz! -- Adam |
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:05:03 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:47:39 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Jim K wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. G.Harman So how do two blokes in orange anoraks deal with the issues you imagine? Carefully like they are doing in the photo using hand tools and not using the brute force of your wagon idea, you would have to smack the ice quite hard and hope the ice breaks of the tunnel roof as the blade or brush or whatever you envisiage on your customised wagon being pushed against the ice like a bulldozer will not be able to be above the overhead lines. That means the ice may be broken at the height of the blade leaving bits that could still foul train collectors or ground the current, or if it has broken off higher may fall and get caught in the overhead equipment while being moved partially horizontally. The blokes can reach between and above the wires and supports and when knocked off the ice will drop almost vertically and in managable quantities. What about "where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof"? I'll carry on calling your equally badly thought through bs. -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 03/03/2018 15:05, jim wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:47:39 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Jim K wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. G.Harman So how do two blokes in orange anoraks deal with the issues you imagine? What's wrong with just ****ting them with a big stick? Even better & far quicker with multiple big sticks attached to a f. off train? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 03/03/2018 16:50, ARW wrote: On 03/03/2018 15:05, jim wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:47:39 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Jim K wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. G.Harman So how do two blokes in orange anoraks deal with the issues you imagine? What's wrong with just ****ting them with a big stick? The icicles not the blokes in the hi viz! :-) -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 03/03/2018 09:22, GB wrote:
Our boiler flue slopes downwards, so most of the condensate runs out that way. This is the result: http://tinypic.com/m/k2k6k6/2 (For Brian, it's a massive icicle hanging from our bin which is right under the flue.) I think a dripping tap caused this one (for Brian more ice) http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...pingtapice.jpg Probably the drips blocked the fall pipe and then the rest is history after the sink was used. -- Adam |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2018 16:31:43 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...ng-rail-servic es-to-a-halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. So how do two blokes in orange anoraks deal with the issues you imagine? But carry on choosing between starting to Troll or not having any common sense. In the case of the Sussex tunnel there would be no overhead lines. It's all third rail. That as maybe but Jerk was commenting on the photo in the Ipswich Star link of a Tunnel at Ipswich which does have overhead lines. In the past I have seen photos of such wagons for use where they can be used but cannot remember any UK example, in places where the problem is frequent like some of the higher North American routes routes they had them. http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrain...olling/one.htm One of the UK canals had something similar for a canal tunnel but its main use was for removing soot deposited by steam powered craft. http://www.mylearning.org/life-on-th...images/3-3785/ G.Harman |
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On 03/03/2018 16:55, jim wrote:
ARW Wrote in message: On 03/03/2018 15:05, jim wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:47:39 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Jim K wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. G.Harman So how do two blokes in orange anoraks deal with the issues you imagine? What's wrong with just ****ting them with a big stick? Even better & far quicker with multiple big sticks attached to a f. off train? Like using a snow plough to move snow? Those blokes in the orange hi vis are on overtime and milking it for all it's worth. And there are another 6 of them sat in a van just outside the tunnel drinking coffee waiting for their turn to take the **** at double rates. -- Adam |
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On 03/03/2018 17:27, ARW wrote:
Those blokes in the orange hi vis are on overtime and milking it for all it's worth. And there are another 6 of them sat in a van just outside the tunnel drinking coffee waiting for their turn to take the **** at double rates. There are two of them in the tunnel, but only one stick between them. Do they take turns playing with it? Besides that, what in heaven's name does elfin safety have to say about two blokes standing under bloody big icicles suspended 20ft above them and knocking them down? Their PPE is clearly not adequate for this job. |
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On 03/03/2018 17:44, GB wrote:
On 03/03/2018 17:27, ARW wrote: Those blokes in the orange hi vis are on overtime and milking it for all it's worth. And there are another 6 of them sat in a van just outside the tunnel drinking coffee waiting for their turn to take the **** at double rates. There are two of them in the tunnel, but only one stick between them. Do they take turns playing with it? There has to be a Ched Evans joke in there. Besides that, what in heaven's name does elfin safety have to say about two blokes standing under bloody big icicles suspended 20ft above them and knocking them down? Their PPE is clearly not adequate for this job. Wrong colour PPE? -- Adam |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2018 16:31:43 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...ng-rail-servic es-to-a-halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. So how do two blokes in orange anoraks deal with the issues you imagine? But carry on choosing between starting to Troll or not having any common sense. In the case of the Sussex tunnel there would be no overhead lines. It's all third rail. That as maybe but Jerk was commenting on the photo in the Ipswich Star link of a Tunnel at Ipswich which does have overhead lines. Who's trolling now "dum****-egg"? (snip begrudging acknowledgement with Googled specific examples of use of methods other than two blokes with a long stick poking at icicles).... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 03/03/2018 16:55, jim wrote: ARW Wrote in message: On 03/03/2018 15:05, jim wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:47:39 +0000 (GMT+00:00), Jim K wrote: http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 Couldn't they just push a suitably customised wagon through that lot? And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. Not a very practical suggestion. G.Harman So how do two blokes in orange anoraks deal with the issues you imagine? What's wrong with just ****ting them with a big stick? Even better & far quicker with multiple big sticks attached to a f. off train? Like using a snow plough to move snow? Bit higher up but similar. Those blokes in the orange hi vis are on overtime and milking it for all it's worth. And there are another 6 of them sat in a van just outside the tunnel drinking coffee waiting for their turn to take the **** at double rates. *we* know this... Perhaps G Hardon was one of em back int day? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 03/03/2018 17:44, GB wrote: On 03/03/2018 17:27, ARW wrote: Those blokes in the orange hi vis are on overtime and milking it for all it's worth. And there are another 6 of them sat in a van just outside the tunnel drinking coffee waiting for their turn to take the **** at double rates. There are two of them in the tunnel, but only one stick between them. Do they take turns playing with it? There has to be a Ched Evans joke in there. Besides that, what in heaven's name does elfin safety have to say about two blokes standing under bloody big icicles suspended 20ft above them and knocking them down? Their PPE is clearly not adequate for this job. Wrong colour PPE? Wrong sort, needs something strong with a protective roof, on wheels for easy movement, may as well be on the track fetched in & out by a loco maybe... Ooh hang on that rings a bell..... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 03/03/2018 13:09, dennis@home wrote:
My balanced flu, non condensing boiler didn't ice up. If it really was balanced and not fan flued, then it will have not have been very efficient. |
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On 03/03/2018 18:46, Andrew wrote:
On 03/03/2018 13:09, dennis@home wrote: My balanced flu, non condensing boiler didn't ice up. If it really was balanced and not fan flued, then it will have not have been very efficient. It was very effective though. As it was 35 years ago and lasted for 32 years I think it was a good buy. |
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:42:29 +0000, Andrew
wrote: On 03/03/2018 14:44, wrote: And then find that where the ice was close or had formed around the components of the overhead power lines attached to the tunnel roof you have knocked them out of alighment or even dragged them down creating really long delays while they get repaired. It's southern region. 3rd rail 800v DC,. No overhead 25Kv stuff. But there are lineside signalling and power cables that might get skewered. Go back and look at the photo to which Jim was looking at and I was commentating on , if hasn't made it to your newsreader for some reason it is on this link http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ip...halt-1-5417520 The overhead wires are visible up amongst the Icicles. Ipswich is nowhere near the former southern region. G.Harman |
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GB writes: Our boiler flue slopes downwards, so most of the condensate runs out that way. This is the result: http://tinypic.com/m/k2k6k6/2 I recall a post here when domestic condensing boilers first appeared, where the condensate pipe dripped onto a conservatory roof. The roof didn't survive the 4' icicle which broke away and smashed through it. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On 03/03/2018 17:44, GB wrote:
On 03/03/2018 17:27, ARW wrote: Those blokes in the orange hi vis are on overtime and milking it for all it's worth. And there are another 6 of them sat in a van just outside the tunnel drinking coffee waiting for their turn to take the **** at double rates. There are two of them in the tunnel, but only one stick between them. Do they take turns playing with it? Besides that, what in heaven's name does elfin safety have to say about two blokes standing under bloody big icicles suspended 20ft above them and knocking them down? Their PPE is clearly not adequate for this job. Does anyone think that it is probably just a telescopic tape measure? -- Adam |
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