The current E7 fixed tarrif is about to end so have been digging
about for a new contract/supplier. Came across Ebico's Night Owl
tarrif, slightly raised peak cost, quite high standing charge but
offset by free off peak lecky. You have to have, or agree to have, a
Smart Meter fitted. If you have an E7 meter they want monthly
readings but that is only temporary until the Smart Meter is fitted.
If there is no signal to enable the Smart Meter to work I think you
can stay on monthly readings.

The meters are in a small windowless, thick stone walled room, I had
hoped that there would be no siganl in there but having waved a
mobile phone in network scan mode next to the meters, there is a
signal from all four networks. B-(

This is the first tarrif I've come across that uses the Smart Meter
technology to half give some real benefit to the customer. Of course
they, or any other supplier, could offer the same thing using the
existing dumb E7 meters, if they wanted to.

It would be a genuine £400+/year saving for us, that almost tips the
balance of having a Smart Meter for me but not for SWMBO'd (guess who
doesn't pay the bill...). So E.ON have got us for the next 12 months
on their "Go Online 1 year v8", DD and paperless tarrif(*1) which
works out the same as the about to expire Scottish Power "Online
Fixed Saver March 2018 v2". Everything else the comparison sites
spewed up(*2) involved a real annual increase of between £120 and
£440.

(*1) 15.404 p/kWHr Day, 7.004 p/kWHr night, 16.42 p/day standing
charge (inc 5% VAT).

(*2) Including the ones that the comparision site couldn't do an
online switch to.

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Dave.

I'm waiting for the first smart meter which can, as promised by the
regulator, give me a speaking remote unit so I can tell what is actually
going on in my own house, something I've not been able to do since I lost my
sight.
Brian

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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The current E7 fixed tarrif is about to end so have been digging
about for a new contract/supplier. Came across Ebico's Night Owl
tarrif, slightly raised peak cost, quite high standing charge but
offset by free off peak lecky. You have to have, or agree to have, a
Smart Meter fitted. If you have an E7 meter they want monthly
readings but that is only temporary until the Smart Meter is fitted.
If there is no signal to enable the Smart Meter to work I think you
can stay on monthly readings.

The meters are in a small windowless, thick stone walled room, I had
hoped that there would be no siganl in there but having waved a
mobile phone in network scan mode next to the meters, there is a
signal from all four networks. B-(

This is the first tarrif I've come across that uses the Smart Meter
technology to half give some real benefit to the customer. Of course
they, or any other supplier, could offer the same thing using the
existing dumb E7 meters, if they wanted to.

It would be a genuine £400+/year saving for us, that almost tips the
balance of having a Smart Meter for me but not for SWMBO'd (guess who
doesn't pay the bill...). So E.ON have got us for the next 12 months
on their "Go Online 1 year v8", DD and paperless tarrif(*1) which
works out the same as the about to expire Scottish Power "Online
Fixed Saver March 2018 v2". Everything else the comparison sites
spewed up(*2) involved a real annual increase of between £120 and
£440.

(*1) 15.404 p/kWHr Day, 7.004 p/kWHr night, 16.42 p/day standing
charge (inc 5% VAT).

(*2) Including the ones that the comparision site couldn't do an
online switch to.

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Cheers
Dave.

On 23/02/2018 16:36, harry wrote:


In the brave new world of renewable energy, you will pay more when the wind don't blow.




In the brave new world of renewable energy, you will be cut off when the
wind don't blow.

I wonder what competitive competing energy deals there will be when the
power companies cannot predict what price they will be paying for power
- to pass on on a hourly basis to the customer?


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On 23/02/2018 11:35, Brian Gaff wrote:
I'm waiting for the first smart meter which can, as promised by the
regulator, give me a speaking remote unit so I can tell what is actually
going on in my own house, something I've not been able to do since I lost my
sight.

How will any smart meter tell you "what is actually going on in my own
house"? They only register instant total power use.

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Max Demian

In article l.net,
says...

The current E7 fixed tarrif is about to end so have been digging
about for a new contract/supplier. Came across Ebico's Night Owl
tarrif, slightly raised peak cost, quite high standing charge but
offset by free off peak lecky. You have to have, or agree to have, a
Smart Meter fitted. If you have an E7 meter they want monthly
readings but that is only temporary until the Smart Meter is fitted.
If there is no signal to enable the Smart Meter to work I think you
can stay on monthly readings.

The meters are in a small windowless, thick stone walled room, I had
hoped that there would be no siganl in there but having waved a
mobile phone in network scan mode next to the meters, there is a
signal from all four networks. B-(

This is the first tarrif I've come across that uses the Smart Meter
technology to half give some real benefit to the customer. Of course
they, or any other supplier, could offer the same thing using the
existing dumb E7 meters, if they wanted to.

It would be a genuine £400+/year saving for us, that almost tips the
balance of having a Smart Meter for me but not for SWMBO'd (guess who
doesn't pay the bill...). So E.ON have got us for the next 12 months
on their "Go Online 1 year v8", DD and paperless tarrif(*1) which
works out the same as the about to expire Scottish Power "Online
Fixed Saver March 2018 v2". Everything else the comparison sites
spewed up(*2) involved a real annual increase of between £120 and
£440.

(*1) 15.404 p/kWHr Day, 7.004 p/kWHr night, 16.42 p/day standing
charge (inc 5% VAT).

(*2) Including the ones that the comparision site couldn't do an
online switch to.


Once you've got Smart Meter, you're stuffed with being stuck with the
supplier who installed it. Unlike mechanical meters, they are
frequently linked to one company. Sign up for a bargain now, get screwed
next year.

M2T wrote:

Once you've got Smart Meter, you're stuffed with being stuck with the
supplier who installed it. Unlike mechanical meters, they are
frequently linked to one company. Sign up for a bargain now, get screwed
next year.

Absolutely not true. There are people here who have smart meters and
have swapped suppliers.

Quote OFGEM

"If you switch supplier and the new supplier cannot operate the
meter in smart mode, they will need to operate it as a
traditional meter with meter readings taken manually."

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/consumers/household-gas-and-electricity-guide/understand-smart-prepayment-and-other-energy-meters/smart-meters-your-rights

On 24/02/2018 03:04, M2T wrote:

8

Once you've got Smart Meter, you're stuffed with being stuck with the
supplier who installed it. Unlike mechanical meters, they are
frequently linked to one company. Sign up for a bargain now, get screwed
next year.






Not true.
You can switch to any supplier, they may not be able to read the meter
though and you are back to manual readings.

On 24/02/18 03:04, M2T wrote:

Once you've got Smart Meter, you're stuffed with being stuck with the
supplier who installed it. Unlike mechanical meters, they are
frequently linked to one company. Sign up for a bargain now, get screwed
next year.


That's not necessarily true - what I though happens is you can move
supplier, but you have to just read the meter normally with the next
supplier, because their tech doesn't talk to the other supplier's meter.

On 24/02/2018 12:54, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/02/18 03:04, M2T wrote:

Once you've got Smart Meter, you're stuffed with being stuck with the
supplier who installed it.* Unlike mechanical meters, they are
frequently linked to one company. Sign up for a bargain now, get screwed
next year.


That's not necessarily true - what I though happens is you can move
supplier, but you have to just read the meter normally with the next
supplier, because their tech doesn't talk to the other supplier's meter.

Or not. We've had smart meters work as smart meters with 3 different
suppliers over 5+ years.

And I've had the Henley block and spare tails ready to cut the seals and
bypass the leccy meter (and argue my case later) should it fail to work
at all and not be fixed smartly

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On 24/02/2018 15:08, Robin wrote:
On 24/02/2018 12:54, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/02/18 03:04, M2T wrote:

Once you've got Smart Meter, you're stuffed with being stuck with the
supplier who installed it.* Unlike mechanical meters, they are
frequently linked to one company. Sign up for a bargain now, get screwed
next year.

That's not necessarily true - what I though happens is you can move
supplier, but you have to just read the meter normally with the next
supplier, because their tech doesn't talk to the other supplier's meter.

Or not.* We've had smart meters work as smart meters with 3 different
suppliers over 5+ years.

And I've had the Henley block and spare tails ready to cut the seals and
bypass the leccy meter (and argue my case later) should it fail to work
at all and not be fixed smartly

Henley block? Is that anything like Henle's loop?

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Max Demian wrote:

On 24/02/2018 15:08, Robin wrote:
On 24/02/2018 12:54, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/02/18 03:04, M2T wrote:

Once you've got Smart Meter, you're stuffed with being stuck with the
supplier who installed it. Unlike mechanical meters, they are
frequently linked to one company. Sign up for a bargain now, get screwed
next year.

That's not necessarily true - what I though happens is you can move
supplier, but you have to just read the meter normally with the next
supplier, because their tech doesn't talk to the other supplier's meter.

Or not. We've had smart meters work as smart meters with 3 different
suppliers over 5+ years.

And I've had the Henley block and spare tails ready to cut the seals and
bypass the leccy meter (and argue my case later) should it fail to work
at all and not be fixed smartly

Henley block? Is that anything like Henle's loop?

Or, indeed, Henley regatta?

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On Saturday, 24 February 2018 19:45:24 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 24/02/2018 15:08, Robin wrote:
On 24/02/2018 12:54, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/02/18 03:04, M2T wrote:

Once you've got Smart Meter, you're stuffed with being stuck with the
supplier who installed it.Â* Unlike mechanical meters, they are
frequently linked to one company. Sign up for a bargain now, get screwed
next year.

That's not necessarily true - what I though happens is you can move
supplier, but you have to just read the meter normally with the next
supplier, because their tech doesn't talk to the other supplier's meter.