On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 19:17:23 -0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

What, even when Toothless Dave brings down the overhead line to
my
house with the combine?

One assumes the DNO will come along and repair the line. Which
will
need that section to be isolated and thus will be recorded. The
auto-recloser feeding that section will also have phoned home to
say
it's tripped or (hopefully) locked out.

If it takes out more than one house perhaps.

Unlikely that an auto-recloser will only be feeding one house unless
that house is the only place supplied on the end of a long line,
think miles.

Auto-reclosers tend to be near the primary substation that is feeding
the 11 kV distribution lines for an area. Those lines can be tens of
miles long and made of multiple sections with interconnects between
different lines. Some interconnects may have an auto-recloser but
most are just an manual air switch. Not sure how they "phone home"
but as they are all connected back to the primary substation the
obvious way to achieve the first hop is over the power lines.

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Cheers
Dave.

In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 19:17:23 -0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

What, even when Toothless Dave brings down the overhead line to
my
house with the combine?

One assumes the DNO will come along and repair the line. Which
will
need that section to be isolated and thus will be recorded. The
auto-recloser feeding that section will also have phoned home to
say
it's tripped or (hopefully) locked out.

If it takes out more than one house perhaps.

Unlikely that an auto-recloser will only be feeding one house unless
that house is the only place supplied on the end of a long line,
think miles.

Auto-reclosers tend to be near the primary substation that is feeding
the 11 kV distribution lines for an area. Those lines can be tens of
miles long and made of multiple sections with interconnects between
different lines. Some interconnects may have an auto-recloser but
most are just an manual air switch. Not sure how they "phone home"
but as they are all connected back to the primary substation the
obvious way to achieve the first hop is over the power lines.

The 11kV overhead here has a breaker at least 1 mile from the nearest
substation although there is a spur feeding this end of the village and
a transformer feeding two isolated houses. I don't know how it operates
but the maintenance crew always complain about poor telephone signals.


--
Tim Lamb

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:07:10 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

The 11kV overhead here has a breaker at least 1 mile from the nearest
substation ...

That's within the range of "close". B-)

... although there is a spur feeding this end of the village and
a transformer feeding two isolated houses. I don't know how it operates
but the maintenance crew always complain about poor telephone signals.

An auto-recloser is a box up a pole withe the three phases looping
through it. An air switch is an open frame work with the three phases
passing through it (or not if it's left normally open...) this has a
bar running down the pole to a locked lever handle to open/close it.

The crews complain of poor mobile signals as they have to get
clearance from the DNOs control rrom before they start flicking
switches on/off. Only the control room has a complete picture of
which switches are open or closed or which sections have faults or
which sections are under maintenance.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:07:10 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

The 11kV overhead here has a breaker at least 1 mile from the nearest
substation ...

That's within the range of "close". B-)

... although there is a spur feeding this end of the village and
a transformer feeding two isolated houses. I don't know how it operates
but the maintenance crew always complain about poor telephone signals.

An auto-recloser is a box up a pole withe the three phases looping
through it. An air switch is an open frame work with the three phases
passing through it (or not if it's left normally open...) this has a
bar running down the pole to a locked lever handle to open/close it.

Auto-recloser then. Family history has it that one of father's cows got
its head jammed in the pylon (welded gantry and air switch) next to what
used to be a substation and caused some interesting pyrotechnics. A
protective fence was hurriedly erected.

The crews complain of poor mobile signals as they have to get
clearance from the DNOs control rrom before they start flicking
switches on/off. Only the control room has a complete picture of
which switches are open or closed or which sections have faults or
which sections are under maintenance.

Not using Vodafone then:-)


--
Tim Lamb

On 21/01/2018 22:20, Tim Watts wrote:
On 21/01/18 15:21, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 13:18:37 +0000 (GMT), charles wrote:

Nothing prevents you from printing out your on-line statement.

Apart from the faff and if push came to shove it could be argued that
the dowloaded electronic document and any print of it has been
altered. A document printed on paper, with inks and machine I don't
have and matches those used by the company blows that out of the
water. There can also be problems with using a self printed utility
bill for ID verification, not everyone has photo ID.


I've never had anyone complain when I've supplied home printed material
like that for ID purposes - I think it's just considered the norm now.

It is no use to me for ID whenever I change to a new client. The
industry I am in only accepts original paper bills when carrying out
security checks.

SteveW

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
On 21/01/2018 22:20, Tim Watts wrote:
On 21/01/18 15:21, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 13:18:37 +0000 (GMT), charles wrote:

Nothing prevents you from printing out your on-line statement.

Apart from the faff and if push came to shove it could be argued that
the dowloaded electronic document and any print of it has been
altered. A document printed on paper, with inks and machine I don't
have and matches those used by the company blows that out of the
water. There can also be problems with using a self printed utility
bill for ID verification, not everyone has photo ID.


I've never had anyone complain when I've supplied home printed material
like that for ID purposes - I think it's just considered the norm now.

It is no use to me for ID whenever I change to a new client. The
industry I am in only accepts original paper bills when carrying out
security checks.

How does your industry tell the difference between a bill printed by the
supply company on their laser printer and on printed on the customers'
laser printer. I agree that using an ink jet is a dead give away.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

charles wrote:

How does your industry tell the difference between a bill printed by the
supply company on their laser printer and on printed on the customers'
laser printer. I agree that using an ink jet is a dead give away.

Yes, only banks stoop that low ...

On 22/01/2018 17:23, charles wrote:

How does your industry tell the difference between a bill printed by the
supply company on their laser printer and on printed on the customers'
laser printer. I agree that using an ink jet is a dead give away.


With most printers it is possible to identify which printer it was
printed on including personal ones. I doubt if they perform the
necessary checks or even know you can do it.

dennis@home wrote:

charles wrote:

How does your industry tell the difference between a bill printed by the
supply company on their laser printer and on printed on the customers'
laser printer.

With most printers it is possible to identify which printer it was
printed on including personal ones. I doubt if they perform the
necessary checks or even know you can do it

Even if they do, how are they expected to know that CheapBlueSparks Ltd
uses a printer with a specific serial number?

On 22 Jan 2018 19:40:32 GMT, Huge wrote:

How does your industry tell the difference between a bill printed
by
the supply company on their laser printer and on printed on the
customers' laser printer. I agree that using an ink jet is a dead
give
away.

Yes, only banks stoop that low ...

You don't imagine that banks print their own statements, do you???? It's
all subcontracted out.

And I don't think they use laser printers, far too slow, with all
that fusing nonsense. Certainly my Barclays statement is decidedly
fuzzy, dotty and grey, rather than the pin sharp black you get from a
laser.

Lets do some scaling maths again. Say 5 million, 4 page both sides
printed, statements per month. That's 40,000,000 sides/month, 30 day
month, means 1,333,333 sides/day or 15.43 sides/second, Second not
minute...

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Cheers
Dave.

On 23/01/2018 00:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On 22 Jan 2018 19:40:32 GMT, Huge wrote:

How does your industry tell the difference between a bill printed
by
the supply company on their laser printer and on printed on the
customers' laser printer. I agree that using an ink jet is a dead
give
away.

Yes, only banks stoop that low ...

You don't imagine that banks print their own statements, do you???? It's
all subcontracted out.

And I don't think they use laser printers, far too slow, with all
that fusing nonsense. Certainly my Barclays statement is decidedly
fuzzy, dotty and grey, rather than the pin sharp black you get from a
laser.

Lets do some scaling maths again. Say 5 million, 4 page both sides
printed, statements per month. That's 40,000,000 sides/month, 30 day
month, means 1,333,333 sides/day or 15.43 sides/second, Second not
minute...


One magnetic drum printer could manage that, but you need about four men
to operate it, loading and unloading paper.

Newspapers print near that speed and you can print variable content on
some of them even if most content is fixed plates. They use rolls
weighing more tha a ton and are a lot bigger and more expensive.

Of course no bank is likely to have only one printer and they may well
outsource it to one or more print firms with lots of printers.

On 23/01/2018 00:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On 22 Jan 2018 19:40:32 GMT, Huge wrote:

How does your industry tell the difference between a bill printed
by
the supply company on their laser printer and on printed on the
customers' laser printer. I agree that using an ink jet is a dead
give
away.

Yes, only banks stoop that low ...

You don't imagine that banks print their own statements, do you???? It's
all subcontracted out.

And I don't think they use laser printers, far too slow, with all
that fusing nonsense. Certainly my Barclays statement is decidedly
fuzzy, dotty and grey, rather than the pin sharp black you get from a
laser.

Lets do some scaling maths again. Say 5 million, 4 page both sides
printed, statements per month. That's 40,000,000 sides/month, 30 day
month, means 1,333,333 sides/day or 15.43 sides/second, Second not
minute...


It wouldn't take many of these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=wzj5n4MyUxk

ITIU OCR to check its doing the right thing too.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:45:38 +0000, dennis@home wrote:

Lets do some scaling maths again. Say 5 million, 4 page both sides
printed, statements per month. That's 40,000,000 sides/month, 30
day
month, means 1,333,333 sides/day or 15.43 sides/second, Second not
minute...

It wouldn't take many of these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=wzj5n4MyUxk

A slightly less tedious video, with some facts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmJVt2Flu7c

500 feet per minute, two up, in "productivity mode" 1000 sides/minute
16.6/sec. That's the sort of thing, followed by the automatic stuffer
and sealer... B-)

You'd need two for the example above as that requires 15.43 sides/sec
24/7, no servicing breaks or breakdowns of any sort.

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Cheers
Dave.