https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

Why?
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Because the Lievers are getting desperate.

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 16:40:06 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Why?
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On 14 Dec 2017 22:03:14 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

Because the Lievers are getting desperate.

It must be frustrating for them, watching their imaginary world
crumbling away in front of their very eyes. ;-(

One good thing they should be pleased about is that our sovereign
government has demonstrated that democracy is still alive and kicking
re ensuring that the people who should know more than us, are stepping
in and demonstrating they do also still know how to 'do the right
thing'. ;-)

The sad thing is how much time, money and effort we have already
wasted on this poorly planned gamble.

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

Not too keen on UK parliamentary sovereignty when it works against what
you want then harry? Yet another of the Brexiteer lies?

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On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

In article om,
dennis@home wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

Won the referendum. Lost the plot.

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in 1651925 20171215 223910 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.

On 16/12/2017 08:49, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651925 20171215 223910 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.


Well he has his "sovereignty" which is what they claim they want.

Now the truth is coming out and they actually want more.

Shame they didn't say what they wanted before the vote, but they knew
that if they were truthful they would lose.

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 22:39:10 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

What worries me is that whilst he (and the other Brexiteers) have
'won' (or not so far, depending on what each of them actually thought
they would be getting for their vote), we could all have lost (as a
population) if the plot continues as it has so far.

Every day this sorry tale unfolds it really looks like the case 'Fools
rush in' and once promised it will happen, it will at *all costs* (to
all of us). ;-(

Doesn't really seem how a sensible democracy would work ... ?

Cheers, T i m

In article om,
dennis@home wrote:
On 16/12/2017 08:49, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651925 20171215 223910 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.


Well he has his "sovereignty" which is what they claim they want.

But not if it works against them.

Now the truth is coming out and they actually want more.

It's the usual case of wanting laws that only others have to obey.

Shame they didn't say what they wanted before the vote, but they knew
that if they were truthful they would lose.

My main reason for voting remain. Brexiteers didn't have even a vague
practical plan for the way forward after leaving. Just a series of hopes
based on lies or false assumptions.

I've learned never to take the word of used car salesmen like Farage and
Boris as being anything other than hype.

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Bob Martin wrote
dennis@home wrote
harry wrote

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.

Nope, just knows it makes no sense to be paying
any exit fee what so ever given that there is no
mention of one in Article 50 or the Lisbon treaty.

dennis@home wrote
Bob Martin wrote
dennis@home wrote
harry wrote

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.

Well he has his "sovereignty" which is what they claim they want.

Its only one of the things they want, remoaner.

Now the truth is coming out

No 'truth' involved with the exit fee, just that fool
May actually stupid enough to pay an exit fee that
gets no mention in Article 50 or the Lisbon treaty.

and they actually want more.

They always did want more than "sovereignty", remoaner.

Shame they didn't say what they wanted before the vote,

You're lying thru your ****ing teeth, as always, remoaner.

but they knew that if they were truthful they would lose.

You're lying thru your ****ing teeth, as always, remoaner.

T i m wrote
dennis@home wrote
harry wrote

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

You have already won, get over it!

What worries me is that whilst he (and the other Brexiteers) have
'won' (or not so far, depending on what each of them actually
thought they would be getting for their vote), we could all have
lost (as a population) if the plot continues as it has so far.

Its certainly possible that that fool May could end up agreeing
to all of the EU demands and end up paying forever as much
as Britain would have paid if it had stayed in the EU, but at least
that would mean that Britain wouldn't have to pay anything to
try to bail out the eurozone or the EU if it implodes completely.

And even if she is that stupid not everyone would lose
by that stupid outcome anyway. The pound would still
have been devalued and that will always benefit some.

Every day this sorry tale unfolds it really looks like
the case 'Fools rush in' and once promised it will
happen, it will at *all costs* (to all of us). ;-(

It will never be to all of you lot.

Doesn't really seem how a sensible democracy would work ... ?

There is no alternative with a political choice as important as that,
remoaner.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article om,
dennis@home wrote:
On 16/12/2017 08:49, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651925 20171215 223910 "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.


Well he has his "sovereignty" which is what they claim they want.

But not if it works against them.

Now the truth is coming out and they actually want more.

It's the usual case of wanting laws that only others have to obey.

Shame they didn't say what they wanted before the vote, but they knew
that if they were truthful they would lose.

My main reason for voting remain. Brexiteers didn't have
even a vague practical plan for the way forward after leaving.

More of your lies, remoaner. They are happy to trade under WTO
rules and allow the EUians who are useful to the country to move
to britain, just like is the case with non EUians, remoaner.

Just a series of hopes based on lies or false assumptions.

Just as true of you remoaners with what the EU will morph into.

I've learned never to take the word of used car salesmen
like Farage and Boris as being anything other than hype.

Neither of those get any say on policy, you stupid lying remoaner.

in 1651996 20171216 103539 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 16/12/2017 08:49, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651925 20171215 223910 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.


Well he has his "sovereignty" which is what they claim they want.

Now the truth is coming out and they actually want more.

Shame they didn't say what they wanted before the vote, but they knew
that if they were truthful they would lose.

The nation is coming to its senses:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8114406.html

On 17/12/17 09:48, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651996 20171216 103539 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 16/12/2017 08:49, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651925 20171215 223910 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.


Well he has his "sovereignty" which is what they claim they want.

Now the truth is coming out and they actually want more.

Shame they didn't say what they wanted before the vote, but they knew
that if they were truthful they would lose.

The nation is coming to its senses:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8114406.html

unremitting propganda, a new referendum and pretend it never happened.



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On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:37:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

unremitting propganda, a new referendum and pretend it never happened.

Yeah, like they've done with Greece, Ireland et al already. Why change a
winning strategy? They're bound to give us 'a last chance' to stay put,
but I hope the voters see it for what it is.



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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 17/12/17 09:48, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651996 20171216 103539 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 16/12/2017 08:49, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651925 20171215 223910 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.


Well he has his "sovereignty" which is what they claim they want.

Now the truth is coming out and they actually want more.

Shame they didn't say what they wanted before the vote, but they knew
that if they were truthful they would lose.

The nation is coming to its senses:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-referendum-l
atest-poll-remain-ten-points-leave-bmg-a8114406.html

unremitting propganda, a new referendum and pretend it never happened.

I can see why you might not like that. I can even see why it might be
regarded as somewhat undemocratic. OTOH, if we do have another
referendum and your side loses by wide margin you won't really have any
basis for complaint. If, however, the new referendum says 'stay' by an
even narrower margin we will be storing up trouble for the future.

Bottom line; it is unwise to have another referendum unless we are
sure sentiment has changed so much that it will be a landslide (on one
side or the other).


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On 17/12/2017 14:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/12/17 09:48, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651996 20171216 103539 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 16/12/2017 08:49, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651925 20171215 223910 "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.


Well he has his "sovereignty" which is what they claim they want.

Now the truth is coming out and they actually want more.

Shame they didn't say what they wanted before the vote, but they knew
that if they were truthful they would lose.

The nation is coming to its senses:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8114406.html


unremitting propganda, a new referendum and pretend it never happened.




Another scared brexiteer that only believes in democracy if the result
suits him!

On 17/12/2017 15:34, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:37:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

unremitting propganda, a new referendum and pretend it never happened.

Yeah, like they've done with Greece, Ireland et al already. Why change a
winning strategy? They're bound to give us 'a last chance' to stay put,
but I hope the voters see it for what it is.




Yes, a chance to correct your error!

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:57:25 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:


FLUSH ******'s inevitable idiotic drivel unread

Gay ****** Birdbrain about Women:

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MID:

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More of ****** Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) strange world:
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MID:

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On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:57:25 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:30:22 -0000, T i m wrote:

On 14 Dec 2017 22:03:14 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

Because the Lievers are getting desperate.

It must be frustrating for them, watching their imaginary world
crumbling away in front of their very eyes. ;-(

One good thing they should be pleased about is that our sovereign
government has demonstrated that democracy is still alive and kicking
re ensuring that the people who should know more than us, are stepping
in and demonstrating they do also still know how to 'do the right
thing'. ;-)

We told them what to do and they aren't doing it.

Maybe because what you asked them to do was the impossible? And
exactly what did all the different Leavers want anyway?

I'm pretty sure in many cases they didn't actually want us to leave it
was a protest vote. Others just didn't want any more 'immigrants
pouring in' but didn't realise that might come at a price. They may
not have cared about these 'bureaucrats in Brussels' telling us what
to do but it might have been critical to others. There also *will be*
those who real expect the £350M a week we were never, ever 'sending to
the EU really would go to the 'NHS instead'?

They're cheaters, liars, criminals, and should all be sacked and jailed immediately.

Are you talking the people 'the people' democratically voted in (but
nearly vote in)?

It's not a democracy if the people in power assume the electorate didn't know what they were doing.

Why isn't it?

What next?

We stop the whole farce, actually consider the options and then vote
again.

Let's just put the Green Party in power because that's what we actually meant when we voted Conservative,

We did?

after all, we're just the masses, we don't know what we're doing.

And mostly you are right. All 'most people' have is an idea of what's
actually going on, formed out of what they have been fad from the
media or people around them or what 'Fake news' they have found on the
net.

Cheers, T i m

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...
in 1651996 20171216 103539 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 16/12/2017 08:49, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651925 20171215 223910 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.


Well he has his "sovereignty" which is what they claim they want.

Now the truth is coming out and they actually want more.

Shame they didn't say what they wanted before the vote, but they knew
that if they were truthful they would lose.

The nation is coming to its senses:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8114406.html

We already know how useless polls are at predicting an actual referendum
result.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:06:00 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

T i m wrote
dennis@home wrote
harry wrote

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

You have already won, get over it!

What worries me is that whilst he (and the other Brexiteers) have
'won' (or not so far, depending on what each of them actually
thought they would be getting for their vote), we could all have
lost (as a population) if the plot continues as it has so far.

Its certainly possible that that fool May could end up agreeing
to all of the EU demands and end up paying forever as much
as Britain would have paid if it had stayed in the EU, but at least
that would mean that Britain wouldn't have to pay anything to
try to bail out the eurozone or the EU if it implodes completely.

True.

And even if she is that stupid not everyone would lose
by that stupid outcome anyway. The pound would still
have been devalued and that will always benefit some.

Not ideal though eh.

Every day this sorry tale unfolds it really looks like
the case 'Fools rush in' and once promised it will
happen, it will at *all costs* (to all of us). ;-(

It will never be to all of you lot.

But more that it was at the time before this whole thing started.

Doesn't really seem how a sensible democracy would work ... ?

There is no alternative with a political choice as important as that,

snip

It is suggested that's it's exactly the instance where a poll
*shouldn't be used.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/134646/referendums-bad

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/05/w...on-santos.html

https://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-...ter-39017.html

http://theweek.com/articles/632538/b...ever-good-idea

Cheers, T i m

On 17/12/2017 18:25, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:06:00 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

T i m wrote
dennis@home wrote
harry wrote

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

You have already won, get over it!

What worries me is that whilst he (and the other Brexiteers) have
'won' (or not so far, depending on what each of them actually
thought they would be getting for their vote), we could all have
lost (as a population) if the plot continues as it has so far.

Its certainly possible that that fool May could end up agreeing
to all of the EU demands and end up paying forever as much
as Britain would have paid if it had stayed in the EU, but at least
that would mean that Britain wouldn't have to pay anything to
try to bail out the eurozone or the EU if it implodes completely.

True.

We had an opt out on that *before* brexit, that may well have gone
depending on what is negotiated.
The brex****eers could well have landed us with having to bail out the
eurozone at some time in the future.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 18:37:14 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:

FLUSH yet more of the ******'s inane drivel unread

--
More of Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) "knowledge" LOL:
"I heard a long time ago that it was possible to breathe water or something
similar. It was either special fluid they could use for divers instead of
gas, or it was certain people who could learn to breathe actual water, I
can't remember which. Or it could have been that babies can actually
breathe water as that's what they do in the womb."
MID:

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 18:37:14 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:52:46 -0000, T i m wrote:

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:57:25 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:30:22 -0000, T i m wrote:

On 14 Dec 2017 22:03:14 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

Because the Lievers are getting desperate.

It must be frustrating for them, watching their imaginary world
crumbling away in front of their very eyes. ;-(

One good thing they should be pleased about is that our sovereign
government has demonstrated that democracy is still alive and kicking
re ensuring that the people who should know more than us, are stepping
in and demonstrating they do also still know how to 'do the right
thing'. ;-)

We told them what to do and they aren't doing it.

Maybe because what you asked them to do was the impossible?

How is it impossible to simply leave a club?

It isn't ... however calculating the value of all the lost benefits
could be impossible.

And exactly what did all the different Leavers want anyway?

To leave. Not in the next century, but NOW.

Nope, they knew it was going to take a couple of years for A50 to be
fully played out and the realists knew it would be years and years for
all the other stuff to be sorted out and the costs counted.

I'm pretty sure in many cases they didn't actually want us to leave it
was a protest vote.

Why would you vote for X if you want Y?

Because there was something about Y you liked less than the general
things in X?

Others just didn't want any more 'immigrants
pouring in' but didn't realise that might come at a price.

So they still wanted to leave then.

The point was that may not actually get what the wanted ... because
they didn't actually think though what they wanted. For many it was
the thought that all the immigrants would be 'sent home'.

They may
not have cared about these 'bureaucrats in Brussels' telling us what
to do but it might have been critical to others. There also *will be*
those who real expect the £350M a week we were never, ever 'sending to
the EU really would go to the 'NHS instead'?

It's well known the EU is a huge socialist club where the rich (UK) pay the poor (Greece).

Not well know enough to be 'up there' for the majority I don't think.

They're cheaters, liars, criminals, and should all be sacked and jailed immediately.

Are you talking the people 'the people' democratically voted in (but
nearly vote in)?

The politicians that aren't doing what we voted for.

How do they know what you voted for other than you wanted out of the
EU? Did they imagine you wanted out at 'all costs' or that you only
wanted out with some sort of reasonable deal that didn't cut us off
completely?

It's not a democracy if the people in power assume the electorate didn't know what they were doing.

Why isn't it?

What's the point in asking us to vote if they just ignore it?

They haven't just ignored it have they? It wasn't (traditionally) a
binding vote but an advisory poll, it was only them 'promising' that
they would carry it out' irrespective' (of any reticence by many it
seems) that made what it should never have been and with the country
still split ~50:50 ... they are right to be cautious.

What next?

We stop the whole farce, actually consider the options and then vote
again.

Oh that's right, you lost

I didn't lose, I didn't vote either way. Why are you so petrified you
will lose the narrow margin you had now more is known about the
consequences. Do you think it's reasonable that people should have
voted blind?

so we must vote again and again

That's democracy for you ...

until you get the answer you want.

I am not looking for any particular answer, just one that is
considered by most to be best by most when considered properly.

Give it a rest.

I didn't start the thread.

Let's just put the Green Party in power because that's what we actually meant when we voted Conservative,

We did?

Yes, more people voted Tory than any other party (subject to the limitations of our ****ed up FPTP voting system - which wasn't used for the referendum).

Ok ...

after all, we're just the masses, we don't know what we're doing.

And mostly you are right. All 'most people' have is an idea of what's
actually going on, formed out of what they have been fad from the
media or people around them or what 'Fake news' they have found on the
net.

But they have the right to decide their own future.

Except it's not just their own futures is it ... and why do you
discount the futures of nearly half of the electorate who voted, or
two thirds of the population who *didn't* vote to say they wanted to
leave?

And I very much doubt politicians are any brighter than Joe Public.

Quite ... well, possibly a bit because it's 'their job', they at least
are likely to be slightly nearer the horses mouth and possibly even
the full facts and truth than us (but possibly not that much closer).

Cheers, T i m

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 17/12/2017 14:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/12/17 09:48, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651996 20171216 103539 "dennis@home" wrote:
On 16/12/2017 08:49, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651925 20171215 223910 "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 14/12/2017 16:26, harry wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165


You have already won, get over it!

He's seen the writing on the wall and is panicking.


Well he has his "sovereignty" which is what they claim they want.

Now the truth is coming out and they actually want more.

Shame they didn't say what they wanted before the vote, but they knew
that if they were truthful they would lose.

The nation is coming to its senses:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8114406.html

unremitting propganda, a new referendum and pretend it never happened.




Another scared brexiteer that only believes in democracy if the result
suits him!

Corse you clowns never ever do anything like that, eh ?

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 20:39:19 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:

FLUSH the inevitable idiotic inane drivel

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with rounded corners. Everyone's TV is a rectangle with rounded corners.
Everyone's phone is a rectangle with rounded corners."
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"T i m" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:57:25 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:30:22 -0000, T i m wrote:

On 14 Dec 2017 22:03:14 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

Because the Lievers are getting desperate.

It must be frustrating for them, watching their imaginary world
crumbling away in front of their very eyes. ;-(

One good thing they should be pleased about is that our sovereign
government has demonstrated that democracy is still alive and kicking
re ensuring that the people who should know more than us, are stepping
in and demonstrating they do also still know how to 'do the right
thing'. ;-)

We told them what to do and they aren't doing it.

Maybe because what you asked them to do was the impossible?

Corse its not impossible to tell the EU that there is no
mention of any exit fee in Article 50 or the Lisbon treaty
and that Britain wont be paying any exit fee when it leaves.

And exactly what did all the different Leavers want anyway?

Britain leaves the EU.

I'm pretty sure in many cases they didn't
actually want us to leave it was a protest vote.

Not a shred of evidence of that.

Others just didn't want any more 'immigrants pouring
in' but didn't realise that might come at a price.

No it does not to be selective about which EUians are allowed
to move to Britain, do exactly the same with them as non EUians.

They may not have cared about these 'bureaucrats in Brussels'
telling us what to do but it might have been critical to others.

Yes, there will always be a variety of reasons why some
support a major political choice like that and other don't.

There also *will be* those who real expect the £350M a week we were
never, ever 'sending to the EU really would go to the 'NHS instead'?

Sure, but its unlikely to all that many that stupid.

Far more clearly believe that its possible to do what Corbyn said
Labour would do if elected to govt in the last general election.

That's the way politics works. There is no viable alternative.

They're cheaters, liars, criminals, and should
all be sacked and jailed immediately.

Are you talking the people 'the people'
democratically voted in (but nearly vote in)?

He's clearly talking about Davis and May etc.

It's not a democracy if the people in power assume
the electorate didn't know what they were doing.

Why isn't it?

Even you must be able to grasp that.

What next?

We stop the whole farce, actually consider the options

Not even possible. It isnt even possible to know if the eurozone
will implode spectacularly or what the EU will morph into.

and then vote again.

Until you lot produce the result you lot want ?

Let's just put the Green Party in power because that's
what we actually meant when we voted Conservative,

We did?

More did than didn't.

after all, we're just the masses, we don't know what we're doing.

And mostly you are right. All 'most people' have is an idea of what's
actually going on, formed out of what they have been fad from the media
or people around them or what 'Fake news' they have found on the net.

There is no viable alternative. You get to like that or lump it and get
to like or lump what the majority who bothered to vote voted for.

"T i m" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:06:00 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

T i m wrote
dennis@home wrote
harry wrote

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

You have already won, get over it!

What worries me is that whilst he (and the other Brexiteers) have
'won' (or not so far, depending on what each of them actually
thought they would be getting for their vote), we could all have
lost (as a population) if the plot continues as it has so far.

Its certainly possible that that fool May could end up agreeing
to all of the EU demands and end up paying forever as much
as Britain would have paid if it had stayed in the EU, but at least
that would mean that Britain wouldn't have to pay anything to
try to bail out the eurozone or the EU if it implodes completely.

True.

And even if she is that stupid not everyone would lose
by that stupid outcome anyway. The pound would still
have been devalued and that will always benefit some.

Not ideal though eh.

Every day this sorry tale unfolds it really looks like
the case 'Fools rush in' and once promised it will
happen, it will at *all costs* (to all of us). ;-(

It will never be to all of you lot.

But more that it was at the time before this whole thing started.

Time will tell on that. IMO Britain will do fine out of the EU,
essentially because even if the EU does impose tariffs on
some of what Britain currently exports to the EU, that is likely
to be less than the price has dropped due to the effective
devaluation of the pound, so that stuff will actually be cheaper
in the hands of those who import it from Britain, so British
exports to the EU will continue fine at the same level or better.

Sure, the devaluation of the pound will have some effect
on the cost of imports, but with many of them Britain will
be free to import tariff free when outside the EU and so
those will in fact be cheaper with Britain out of the EU.

Doesn't really seem how a sensible democracy would work ... ?

There is no alternative with a political choice as important as that,

snip

It is suggested that's it's exactly the instance where a poll *shouldn't
be used.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/134646/referendums-bad

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/05/w...on-santos.html

https://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-...ter-39017.html

http://theweek.com/articles/632538/b...ever-good-idea

So the alternative is to do what the fools who proclaimed that Britain
would be better in the eurozone than outside it want, and it was those
fools that pushed for the deregulation of the banks which saw Britain
end up with an immense cost to bail out the banks in 2008. With a
record like that, please explain why they should decide what happens.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 17/12/2017 18:25, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:06:00 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

T i m wrote
dennis@home wrote
harry wrote

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

You have already won, get over it!

What worries me is that whilst he (and the other Brexiteers) have
'won' (or not so far, depending on what each of them actually
thought they would be getting for their vote), we could all have
lost (as a population) if the plot continues as it has so far.

Its certainly possible that that fool May could end up agreeing
to all of the EU demands and end up paying forever as much
as Britain would have paid if it had stayed in the EU, but at least
that would mean that Britain wouldn't have to pay anything to
try to bail out the eurozone or the EU if it implodes completely.

True.

We had an opt out on that *before* brexit,

Nope.

that may well have gone depending on what is negotiated.

Nope, even May wont actually be stupid enough to agree to
bailing out the eurozone with Britain out of the EU, you watch.

The brex****eers could well have landed us with having to bail out the
eurozone at some time in the future.

More bare faced remoaner lies.