Hi All
SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old elctric
fan oven, we already have a gas hob so the gas supply is there already, how
much trouble is it likely to be to fit? The last time I did any gas fitting
was with 3" iron pipe in a boiler house (20 years ago). Are there likely to
be fittings designed to supply both hob and oven easily available or is it a
case of just finding a BSP tee and flexible connector. I guess I'm asking
if this has been standardised - in our previous house I just fitted a
bayonet fitting.

Nik V

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:47:06 +0000, NikV wrote:

Hi All
SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old elctric
fan oven, we already have a gas hob so the gas supply is there already, how
much trouble is it likely to be to fit? The last time I did any gas fitting
was with 3" iron pipe in a boiler house (20 years ago). Are there likely to
be fittings designed to supply both hob and oven easily available or is it a
case of just finding a BSP tee and flexible connector. I guess I'm asking
if this has been standardised - in our previous house I just fitted a
bayonet fitting.

Firstly read the instructions.
Fitting built in gas ovens is somethings I've only done a couple of times.
It might be possible to fit the oven with a flexible hose and use a
standard self sealing bayonet connector on the other end.
(Screwfix parts 12279 and 14904).
This will allow the oven to be slid back in (or out of!) its housing and
then connected up.

Failing that you would have to make up some sort of arrangement where the
fixed pipewrk could be undone (when the need arises).

See the Gas Fitting FAQ.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:47:06 +0000, NikV wrote:

Hi All
SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old
elctric
fan oven, we already have a gas hob so the gas supply is there already,
how
much trouble is it likely to be to fit? The last time I did any gas
fitting
was with 3" iron pipe in a boiler house (20 years ago). Are there
likely to
be fittings designed to supply both hob and oven easily available or is
it a
case of just finding a BSP tee and flexible connector. I guess I'm
asking
if this has been standardised - in our previous house I just fitted a
bayonet fitting.

Firstly read the instructions.
Fitting built in gas ovens is somethings I've only done a couple of times.
It might be possible to fit the oven with a flexible hose and use a
standard self sealing bayonet connector on the other end.
(Screwfix parts 12279 and 14904).
This will allow the oven to be slid back in (or out of!) its housing and
then connected up.

Failing that you would have to make up some sort of arrangement where the
fixed pipewrk could be undone (when the need arises).

See the Gas Fitting FAQ.
done - brought back some memories

Thank you for your quick response. Ive had a quick look at the way the hob
is connected, basically gas comes out of the wall elbowed parallel with it
to a compression gas cock, a short 8 inch run to another elbow and soldered
copper to iron made onto the 15mm tailpiece union on the hob. I will
probably remove the section between the union and gas cock and insert a 15mm
tee soldered + and bayonet fitting pointing down. Ive done the gas tests
before so I will tell the wife that she can order the oven - fitting it can
be a valentine present :-/

Thanx
Nik

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:47:06 -0000, "NikV"
wrote:

Hi All
SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old elctric
fan oven, we already have a gas hob so the gas supply is there already, how
much trouble is it likely to be to fit? The last time I did any gas fitting
was with 3" iron pipe in a boiler house (20 years ago). Are there likely to
be fittings designed to supply both hob and oven easily available or is it a
case of just finding a BSP tee and flexible connector. I guess I'm asking
if this has been standardised - in our previous house I just fitted a
bayonet fitting.

Nik V

Flexible hoses are for "mobile" or non fixed appliances. Fixed
appliances, eg oven units/hobs/gas fires/central heating boilers
should be fitted with rigid pipework.

In article ,
NikV wrote:
SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old
elctric fan oven

Try and persuade her otherwise. There really are no advantages over an
electric one domestically - apart from perhaps quicker pre-heating, but
lots of disadvantages.

--
*Avoid clichés like the plague. (They're old hat.) *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Try and persuade her otherwise. There really are no advantages over an
electric one domestically - apart from perhaps quicker pre-heating, but
lots of disadvantages.

Pah. I much prefer gas ovens. I usually only want to cook something for 10
to 15 minutes. The electric takes AGES to get up to temperature. The gas is
MUCH quicker. I don't cook much puff pastry, so I couldn't care less about
even temperatures etc. Besides, when I am doing something more complicated,
the electric fan oven doesn't give enough differential between top and
bottom for things that require different levels of heat.

Christian.

How old is your 'leccy oven?

Only, when we changed our elderly (12 years?) Philips for a new one, the
difference in warmup times was astonishing.

My mother's is fairly old. It was one of the first halogen types. Horrible
thing. My last house had a built in oven that must be between 5 and 10 years
old now. I don't know exactly when it was installed.

At the end of the day, they're all around the 2 - 2.5kW mark. I can't see
how the warmup times would improve that markedly.

Christian.

"tarquinlinbin" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:47:06 -0000, "NikV"
wrote:

Hi All
SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old
elctric
fan oven, we already have a gas hob so the gas supply is there already,
how
much trouble is it likely to be to fit? The last time I did any gas
fitting
was with 3" iron pipe in a boiler house (20 years ago). Are there likely
to
be fittings designed to supply both hob and oven easily available or is
it a
case of just finding a BSP tee and flexible connector. I guess I'm
asking
if this has been standardised - in our previous house I just fitted a
bayonet fitting.

Nik V

Flexible hoses are for "mobile" or non fixed appliances. Fixed
appliances, eg oven units/hobs/gas fires/central heating boilers
should be fitted with rigid pipework.


Thats what I thought originally but the built under unit would have to be
'mobile' to slide it out just like a gas cooker, a gas cooker wouldn't be
any more mobile but these are often fitted with hoses.

Nik

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
. net...
Try and persuade her otherwise. There really are no advantages over an
electric one domestically - apart from perhaps quicker pre-heating, but
lots of disadvantages.

Pah. I much prefer gas ovens. I usually only want to cook something for 10
to 15 minutes. The electric takes AGES to get up to temperature. The gas
is
MUCH quicker. I don't cook much puff pastry, so I couldn't care less about
even temperatures etc. Besides, when I am doing something more
complicated,
the electric fan oven doesn't give enough differential between top and
bottom for things that require different levels of heat.

Christian.



I have to agree, both from a cooking POV and a taste POV I prefer gas, I
always think (rightly or wrongly) that volatiles given off from the food are
burnt in the gas oven but just circulated to be deposited in an electric
oven.

Nik V

In article ,
Christian McArdle wrote:
Pah. I much prefer gas ovens. I usually only want to cook something for
10 to 15 minutes. The electric takes AGES to get up to temperature.

Surely most things that can be cooked in an oven in 15 minutes would be ok
and faster in a microwave?

--
*If God had wanted me to touch my toes, he would have put them on my knees

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

In article ,
Andrew Menadue wrote:
Try and persuade her otherwise. There really are no advantages over an
electric one domestically - apart from perhaps quicker pre-heating, but
lots of disadvantages.

What would you regard as disadvantages?

The main one - to me - is that they require more cleaning, and also make
the kitchen itself more dirty. Add to that the waste heat which can make a
small kitchen unbearable on a warm day.

--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

In article ,
Christian McArdle wrote:
Besides, when I am doing something more complicated,
the electric fan oven doesn't give enough differential between top and
bottom for things that require different levels of heat.

Get one with a switchable fan, then.

--
*Funny, I don't remember being absent minded.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:10:00 +0000, tarquinlinbin wrote:

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:47:06 -0000, "NikV"
wrote:

Hi All
SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old elctric
fan oven, we already have a gas hob so the gas supply is there already, how
much trouble is it likely to be to fit? The last time I did any gas fitting
was with 3" iron pipe in a boiler house (20 years ago). Are there likely to
be fittings designed to supply both hob and oven easily available or is it a
case of just finding a BSP tee and flexible connector. I guess I'm asking
if this has been standardised - in our previous house I just fitted a
bayonet fitting.

Nik V

Flexible hoses are for "mobile" or non fixed appliances. Fixed
appliances, eg oven units/hobs/gas fires/central heating boilers
should be fitted with rigid pipework.

I've got a visitation from the CORGI inspector tomorrow so I'll quiz him.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

In article ,
Huge wrote:
At the end of the day, they're all around the 2 - 2.5kW mark. I can't
see how the warmup times would improve that markedly.

Me neither. But it was nonethless significant.

Better insulation and less thermal mass etc?

--
*Procrastination is the art of keeping up with yesterday.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:55:08 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Christian McArdle wrote:
Pah. I much prefer gas ovens. I usually only want to cook something for
10 to 15 minutes. The electric takes AGES to get up to temperature.

Surely most things that can be cooked in an oven in 15 minutes would be ok
and faster in a microwave?


God almighty !

Just put any pastry product in a microwave, a Ginsters pasty, a "Snake
& Pigmy Pie". anything, even just a slice of bread and give it 30
seconds on high to see it turned into sloppy mush.

DG

"Andrew Menadue" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman wrote:
In article ,
NikV wrote:

SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old
elctric fan oven


Try and persuade her otherwise. There really are no advantages over an
electric one domestically - apart from perhaps quicker pre-heating, but
lots of disadvantages.

What would you regard as disadvantages?

One is that they chuck out lots of heat: friends of ours have one and in the
summer it makes their kitchen unbearable. This is one area electric has the
advantage: because there are no waste gases to dispose of (into your living
area) all the heat can be kept inside the oven.

They're also inherently safer as there's no gas to possibly escape if the
flame supervision mechanism goes wrong, or possibility of poisonous fumes
from incomlete combustion.

In article ,
derek wrote:
Surely most things that can be cooked in an oven in 15 minutes would be
ok and faster in a microwave?


God almighty !

Just put any pastry product in a microwave, a Ginsters pasty, a "Snake
& Pigmy Pie". anything, even just a slice of bread and give it 30
seconds on high to see it turned into sloppy mush.

Well, about the only time I use pastry is on a pie, and that won't cook in
15 minutes. And i'm not sure why I'd want to put a slice of bread in the
oven?

--
*I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

In article ,
Huge wrote:
Surely most things that can be cooked in an oven in 15 minutes would be
ok and faster in a microwave?

That's OK if you want all your food microwaved.

Certainly not - but I was just curious how often you'd use an oven for
only 15 minutes to make a fast warm up essential.

I'm no expert cook BTW. As if you couldn't guess. But I find the microwave
super for most veg etc.

--
*Heart attacks... God's revenge for eating his animal friends

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

In article ,
Huge wrote:
I steam veg. On the hob, in one of those "petal" steamers that fit in
a saucepan. Much nicer than microwaved.

But you actually steam vegetables in the microwave - without having to
heat more water than is needed. Simply use a suitable close fitting lidded
dish with a table spoon of water in it.

--
*A journey of a thousand sites begins with a single click *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Dave Plowman wrote:
In article ,
NikV wrote:

SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old
elctric fan oven


Try and persuade her otherwise. There really are no advantages over an
electric one domestically - apart from perhaps quicker pre-heating, but
lots of disadvantages.

What would you regard as disadvantages?

Andrew

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 22:00:43 +0000, derek
wrote:

Just put any pastry product in a microwave, a Ginsters pasty, a "Snake
& Pigmy Pie". anything, even just a slice of bread and give it 30
seconds on high to see it turned into sloppy mush.

Hehe - reminds me of when my wife and I got married years ago and got
our very first microwave.

In with a pack of sausage rolls. Up with the timer. 30 seconds later
smoke pouring out of the microwave, cases of sausage rolls done to a
cinder (black).

PoP

Sending email to my published email address isn't
guaranteed to reach me.

Surely most things that can be cooked in an oven in 15 minutes would be
ok and faster in a microwave?

Mostly fish fingers and chips or similar for the kids. To think, when she
was 2, she used to eat Thai green curry, fellafal and salad, amongst other
things. She grew out of that phase, unfortunately.

Christian.

"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
derek wrote:
snip

And i'm not sure why I'd want to put a slice of bread in the
oven?


Well, by now out of morbid curiosity, I should imagine!!!


--
Richard Sampson

email me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

In article ,
Huge wrote:
I steam veg. On the hob, in one of those "petal" steamers that fit in
a saucepan. Much nicer than microwaved.

But you actually steam vegetables in the microwave - without having to
heat more water than is needed. Simply use a suitable close fitting
lidded dish with a table spoon of water in it.

Nope. Not the same. Measurably not the same.

We'll have to differ, then. Have you experimented with settings and the
quantity of water? Because I find most vegetables other than root ones are
cooked to perfection in a microwave.

--
*Organized Crime Is Alive And Well; It's Called Auto Insurance. *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:00:05 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:10:00 +0000, tarquinlinbin wrote:

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:47:06 -0000, "NikV"
wrote:

Hi All
SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old elctric
fan oven, we already have a gas hob so the gas supply is there already, how
much trouble is it likely to be to fit? The last time I did any gas fitting
was with 3" iron pipe in a boiler house (20 years ago). Are there likely to
be fittings designed to supply both hob and oven easily available or is it a
case of just finding a BSP tee and flexible connector. I guess I'm asking
if this has been standardised - in our previous house I just fitted a
bayonet fitting.

Nik V

Flexible hoses are for "mobile" or non fixed appliances. Fixed
appliances, eg oven units/hobs/gas fires/central heating boilers
should be fitted with rigid pipework.

I've got a visitation from the CORGI inspector tomorrow so I'll quiz
him.

OK. He came and went after giving me a stern lecture about making sure I was
proof against the complaining customers from hell (they are on the
increase).

So I asked him.
He says the manufacturers instructions must be followed.
I said I was fairly sure the 'book' said the inlet gas connection is
1/2" bsp female iron. and 'all work to comply with BS 6172' (IIRC).

He quizzed me about the regs for cooker hoses.

Bottom line in his opinion: The only way to connect a built in oven is with
a flexible hose to BS 669-1. He says this is what the standard says 'for
ovens' (without regard to whether built-in, build-under, slot-in or
free-standing).

So I asked about "Say I'm doing a "Landlords'" and I come across a hose
supplying a hob". He said OK if
1) Hangs in a neat unstrained U.
2) Not subject to mechanical wear or abrasion.
3) Not in contact with anything that could be 70C+

I said it was unlikely that people would give up the cupboard space
underneath. He agreed saying that in his view pots and pans might cause
damage to the hose.

I asked about the unsafe procedure categories:
We agreed AR (At Risk) if (1-3) above were not being complied with.
ID (Immediately Dangerous) if significant damage had already occured even if
(1-3) were being complied with.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

Huge wrote:

There's some good research to show that vitamins break down faster in
microwave ovens than in other cooking methods. Sadly, I can't find it
on Google in among the storm of loons with tinfoil hats on ...

Restricting your search with site:news.bbc.co.uk often cuts down on
the loon factor, and once you're got an author or journal name, you
can follow that up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3188558.stm is, I think, what you
are thinking of.
--
Selah

"Huge" wrote
| There's some good research to show that vitamins break down
| faster in microwave ovens than in other cooking methods.

That's good isn't it, it makes them more digestible?

Owain
(convinced that pasta is both a protein and a fresh vegetable)

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:00:05 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:10:00 +0000, tarquinlinbin wrote:

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:47:06 -0000, "NikV"
wrote:

Hi All
SWMBO has got her heart set on a gas double oven to replace our old
elctric
fan oven, we already have a gas hob so the gas supply is there already,
how
much trouble is it likely to be to fit? The last time I did any gas
fitting
was with 3" iron pipe in a boiler house (20 years ago). Are there
likely to
be fittings designed to supply both hob and oven easily available or is
it a
case of just finding a BSP tee and flexible connector. I guess I'm
asking
if this has been standardised - in our previous house I just fitted a
bayonet fitting.

Nik V

Flexible hoses are for "mobile" or non fixed appliances. Fixed
appliances, eg oven units/hobs/gas fires/central heating boilers
should be fitted with rigid pipework.

I've got a visitation from the CORGI inspector tomorrow so I'll quiz
him.

OK. He came and went after giving me a stern lecture about making sure I
was
proof against the complaining customers from hell (they are on the
increase).

So I asked him.
He says the manufacturers instructions must be followed.
I said I was fairly sure the 'book' said the inlet gas connection is
1/2" bsp female iron. and 'all work to comply with BS 6172' (IIRC).

He quizzed me about the regs for cooker hoses.

Bottom line in his opinion: The only way to connect a built in oven is
with
a flexible hose to BS 669-1. He says this is what the standard says 'for
ovens' (without regard to whether built-in, build-under, slot-in or
free-standing).

So I asked about "Say I'm doing a "Landlords'" and I come across a hose
supplying a hob". He said OK if
1) Hangs in a neat unstrained U.
2) Not subject to mechanical wear or abrasion.
3) Not in contact with anything that could be 70C+

I said it was unlikely that people would give up the cupboard space
underneath. He agreed saying that in his view pots and pans might cause
damage to the hose.

I asked about the unsafe procedure categories:
We agreed AR (At Risk) if (1-3) above were not being complied with.
ID (Immediately Dangerous) if significant damage had already occured even
if
(1-3) were being complied with.

Cheers thanks for that

Nik Venn