I see That these are on sale next week. I'm considering buying one with
a view to modifying it to fit my 18V drills which have clapped NiCd.
Does anyone know if these batteries have current and voltage discharge
limiting built into them?

Capitol wrote:
I see That these are on sale next week. I'm considering buying one
with a view to modifying it to fit my 18V drills which have clapped NiCd.
Does anyone know if these batteries have current and voltage discharge
limiting built into them?

Hmm, 20V is a funny voltage for a lithium pack - it would seem to be
5-and-a-half cells. Unless it's really a 5-cell 18v pack with some added
marketing (declare each cell to be 4v not 3.6v).

Ah yes, there's even a little graph that says so (p4):
https://www.lidl.de/de/asset/other/283237_DE.pdf

I would have expected they would put the monitoring in the battery rather
than the tool, especially since you could swap in a higher capacity battery.
If it's the same as in the leaflet above, there's a button to get the
battery state on the side - I'd be very surprised if there wasn't also a low
voltage cutoff built in.

Theo

Capitol wrote:
I see That these are on sale next week. I'm considering buying one
with a view to modifying it to fit my 18V drills which have clapped
NiCd. Does anyone know if these batteries have current and voltage
discharge limiting built into them?

I would think that they must do. LI must be managed in this was to get
any useful life. It would be very unusual to have it done in the tool in
the tool.

If you got two batteries and chargers, you could cannibalise one charger
for a connector to make the adaptor to your current drill(s)

If you are reasonably astute, this could be a cost effect approach.

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Theo wrote:
Capitol wrote:
I see That these are on sale next week. I'm considering buying
one with a view to modifying it to fit my 18V drills which have
clapped NiCd. Does anyone know if these batteries have current and
voltage discharge limiting built into them?

Hmm, 20V is a funny voltage for a lithium pack - it would seem to be
5-and-a-half cells. Unless it's really a 5-cell 18v pack with some
added marketing (declare each cell to be 4v not 3.6v).

Ah yes, there's even a little graph that says so (p4):
https://www.lidl.de/de/asset/other/283237_DE.pdf

I would have expected they would put the monitoring in the battery
rather than the tool, especially since you could swap in a higher
capacity battery. If it's the same as in the leaflet above, there's a
button to get the battery state on the side - I'd be very surprised if
there wasn't also a low voltage cutoff built in.

17 quid for a 2 amp.hr 18v and charger looks somewhat of a bargain.

I have the previous generation saw, jigsaw and drill that share the same
1.5 a.hr batteries, and spares for that were near 30 quid.

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On 16/06/2017 09:40, Capitol wrote:
I see That these are on sale next week. I'm considering buying one
with a view to modifying it to fit my 18V drills which have clapped
NiCd. Does anyone know if these batteries have current and voltage
discharge limiting built into them?

That's a new approach! Selling the tool without a battery or charger
then listing them as a second sale. Its a pity they don't list batteries
on their own separately as well.

Mike

Yes even my shaver has a low voltage cut off. Its bloody annoying as some
days it won't start until you plug in the mains as obviously the starting
current drops the volts too low but when its running you can unplug it and
continue shaving!
Bloody technology.
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Capitol wrote:
I see That these are on sale next week. I'm considering buying
one
with a view to modifying it to fit my 18V drills which have clapped NiCd.
Does anyone know if these batteries have current and voltage discharge
limiting built into them?

Hmm, 20V is a funny voltage for a lithium pack - it would seem to be
5-and-a-half cells. Unless it's really a 5-cell 18v pack with some added
marketing (declare each cell to be 4v not 3.6v).

Ah yes, there's even a little graph that says so (p4):
https://www.lidl.de/de/asset/other/283237_DE.pdf

I would have expected they would put the monitoring in the battery rather
than the tool, especially since you could swap in a higher capacity
battery.
If it's the same as in the leaflet above, there's a button to get the
battery state on the side - I'd be very surprised if there wasn't also a
low
voltage cutoff built in.

Theo

On 16/06/2017 11:00, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Theo wrote:
Capitol wrote:
I see That these are on sale next week. I'm considering buying
one with a view to modifying it to fit my 18V drills which have
clapped NiCd. Does anyone know if these batteries have current and
voltage discharge limiting built into them?

Hmm, 20V is a funny voltage for a lithium pack - it would seem to be
5-and-a-half cells. Unless it's really a 5-cell 18v pack with some
added marketing (declare each cell to be 4v not 3.6v).

Ah yes, there's even a little graph that says so (p4):
https://www.lidl.de/de/asset/other/283237_DE.pdf

I would have expected they would put the monitoring in the battery
rather than the tool, especially since you could swap in a higher
capacity battery. If it's the same as in the leaflet above, there's a
button to get the battery state on the side - I'd be very surprised if
there wasn't also a low voltage cutoff built in.

17 quid for a 2 amp.hr 18v and charger looks somewhat of a bargain.

I have the previous generation saw, jigsaw and drill that share the same
1.5 a.hr batteries, and spares for that were near 30 quid.


Me too - I bought a spare at the time. Two batteries have died, so I'm
left with 2 batteries and 3 chargers. Batteries are £18.50 inc (I think)
p+p:

https://www.kompernass.com/index.php...egory&path=855

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Theo wrote:

Hmm, 20V is a funny voltage for a lithium pack - it would seem to be
5-and-a-half cells.

Probably going by the leftpond marketing convention of 4V per lithium
cell as opposed to the european 3.7V per cell e.g.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dewalt-DCB184/dp/B00L8T5VJW

https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCB204/dp/B00BQHLJ4M

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RJH wrote:
I have the previous generation saw, jigsaw and drill that share the
same 1.5 a.hr batteries, and spares for that were near 30 quid.


Me too - I bought a spare at the time. Two batteries have died, so I'm
left with 2 batteries and 3 chargers. Batteries are £18.50 inc (I think)
p+p:

You'd still be within the warranty period?

So far, I've not had a battery failure.

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On 17/06/2017 11:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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RJH wrote:
I have the previous generation saw, jigsaw and drill that share the
same 1.5 a.hr batteries, and spares for that were near 30 quid.


Me too - I bought a spare at the time. Two batteries have died, so I'm
left with 2 batteries and 3 chargers. Batteries are £18.50 inc (I think)
p+p:

You'd still be within the warranty period?


Yes, although I've yet to find the receipt. I'll give them a call anyway
- the batteries are date stamped, and about a year older (and with a
different model number) than the other two.


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RJH wrote:
On 17/06/2017 11:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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RJH wrote:
I have the previous generation saw, jigsaw and drill that share the
same 1.5 a.hr batteries, and spares for that were near 30 quid.


Me too - I bought a spare at the time. Two batteries have died, so I'm
left with 2 batteries and 3 chargers. Batteries are £18.50 inc (I think)
p+p:

You'd still be within the warranty period?


Yes, although I've yet to find the receipt. I'll give them a call anyway
- the batteries are date stamped, and about a year older (and with a
different model number) than the other two.


If you paid by card and can dig out a statement, I've heard they will
consider this as proof of purchase. Combiner with the date stamp they
can't really wriggle.

On the current offer the bare tool has the 3 year warranty, no mention of extended warranty for the charger and battery. It maybe that they have had a lot of returns due to faulty batteries. Mind you at the price they are selling the Chargers and batteries compared to more well known makes they can almost be considered a throw away item.

Richard

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RJH wrote:
On 17/06/2017 11:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RJH wrote:
I have the previous generation saw, jigsaw and drill that share the
same 1.5 a.hr batteries, and spares for that were near 30 quid.


Me too - I bought a spare at the time. Two batteries have died, so
I'm left with 2 batteries and 3 chargers. Batteries are £18.50 inc (I
think) p+p:

You'd still be within the warranty period?


Yes, although I've yet to find the receipt. I'll give them a call anyway
- the batteries are date stamped, and about a year older (and with a
different model number) than the other two.

I wish you well - but I keep all such receipts carefully. (Just stuff them
in a folder) But have never needed them - apart from one thing I bought
which was dead on arrival.

Did the battery that died have what you'd consider heavy use?

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Bob Minchin wrote:
Yes, although I've yet to find the receipt. I'll give them a call anyway
- the batteries are date stamped, and about a year older (and with a
different model number) than the other two.


If you paid by card and can dig out a statement, I've heard they will
consider this as proof of purchase. Combiner with the date stamp they
can't really wriggle.

That's good to know - thanks.

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On 17/06/2017 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bob Minchin wrote:
Yes, although I've yet to find the receipt. I'll give them a call anyway
- the batteries are date stamped, and about a year older (and with a
different model number) than the other two.


If you paid by card and can dig out a statement, I've heard they will
consider this as proof of purchase. Combiner with the date stamp they
can't really wriggle.

That's good to know - thanks.

Some companies can be very helpful.

I don't know about Lidl, but I purchased an RAC OBD2 reader from Argos
when my wife's Matiz had a problem and I needed to read it on a Sunday
afternoon. Months later, I wanted to read codes off my Focus and found
it said there were none, despite the MIL being lit. A check with a more
sophisticated, but less convenient reader that I'd since purchased
showed the codes.

I had no receipt, hadn't kept the card statements and had since had my
card changed. I went back to Argos saying that as it could not read one
of the most common cars on the road, it was not good enough and asking
whether their till system kept a record of sales, but they only kept the
records for 30 days. Despite this, they took the reader back, said that
they could not refund the money under the circumstances, but gave me a
credit note to the full value. Excellent service.

SteveW

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
17 quid for a 2 amp.hr 18v and charger looks somewhat of a bargain.

I have the previous generation saw, jigsaw and drill that share
1.5 a.hr batteries, and spares for that were near 30 quid.

A fully charged one of these 20v Lidl ones reads 20.9v off load.

The previous 18v type, 15v. All three of my spares, and all just charged.

Not quite sure what to make of this. ;-)

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Went to my local Lidl to see if I could pick up a cheap impact driver, none left after 24 hours. I was passing another today, plenty of impact drivers and sabre saws but not a charger and battery about all sold out. Looks like they are going to have trouble shifting quite a bit of stock. Looks like somebody miscalculated selling the batteries and chargers seperate from the tools.

Richard

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Tricky Dicky wrote:
Went to my local Lidl to see if I could pick up a cheap impact driver,
none left after 24 hours. I was passing another today, plenty of impact
drivers and sabre saws but not a charger and battery about all sold out.
Looks like they are going to have trouble shifting quite a bit of stock.
Looks like somebody miscalculated selling the batteries and chargers
seperate from the tools.

My local Lidl only had a partial delivery. No batteries/chargers and not
all the tools either.

It was only the sabre saw I was after, and another branch had plenty stock
including batteries on Friday.

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replying to RJH, Ilovealditools wrote:
Read the warranty. Batteries are NOT under guarantee.

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posted on June 16, 2017, 8:40 am

OK so its a post almost a year old, but nevertheless, I do not think one can
say batteries are not under warranty, as it all depends on usage and indeed
if they have been abused. Most things would last at least a year, but if it
were five years, that is another thing.
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replying to RJH, Ilovealditools wrote:
Read the warranty. Batteries are NOT under guarantee.
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I think you have misunderstood. A warranty from a manufacturer is in
addition to the buyer's legal rights. So manufacturers can exclude
anything they like. Indeed, they don't even need to give a warranty.

A manufacturer can't escape responsibility for the safety of a product
but a consumer doesn't have the same rights against them as they have
against the seller.

On 02/04/2018 16:18, Brian Gaff wrote:
posted on June 16, 2017, 8:40 am

OK so its a post almost a year old, but nevertheless, I do not think one can
say batteries are not under warranty, as it all depends on usage and indeed
if they have been abused. Most things would last at least a year, but if it
were five years, that is another thing.
Brian



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On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 16:33:02 +0100, Robin wrote:

I think you have misunderstood. A warranty from a manufacturer is in
addition to the buyer's legal rights. So manufacturers can exclude
anything they like. Indeed, they don't even need to give a warranty.

A manufacturer can't escape responsibility for the safety of a product
but a consumer doesn't have the same rights against them as they have
against the seller.

Indeed so, the contract is between the buyer and the seller.