Phil L wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
On 29/04/2017 23:36, Bertie Doe wrote:


"Malcolm Race" wrote in message news
Are there any?

We are in the process of re-fitting a kitchen. SWMBO wants to fit
only white goods made in the UK. She vwas looking at Hotpoint until
she was told that they were made in china/far east. Are there any
manufacturers who make wquipment in the UK?

Malcolm

The only machine in the Hotpoint range that's made in the UK is
their tumble driers. Ours arrived Thursday of last week, from one of
Amazon's traders via DPD.

A few minutes into it's first drying cycle, it was clear that the
cylinder wasn't rotating. I informed Hotpoint and an engineer duly
arrived. "Most odd" said the engineer, "The belt has broken, doesn't
happen often, I'll have to order one from Bristol, where they're
made". So there's a new appointment for Thursday. You'd think he
would carry a spare belt to cover all tumble drier models? Shudder
to think of the cost of 2 visits, plus 2 lots of petrol. My advice :
buy foreign, unless you like music hall farces :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyeMFSzPgGc

Why carry a part if it never breaks?

it broke

I once had a radiator hose spew out water on a 3 month old VW Transporter.
Big hole in the hose.
"Technician" said faulty manufacturing.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scott M wrote:
DerbyBorn wrote:

A British "Made" will be "Assembled in Britain
from parts and sub-assemblies made eleswhere".

And all the better for it. The British car industry is proof of that.

Not so sure about that. Caring assembly of a car is one of the most
important bits. Something which was lacking (for many reasons) in the
heyday of the UK car industry. Rather than fundamental design flaws.

Given the correct guidance, Jonny Englander seems able to assemble cars
correctly - Mini, Rolls, Bentley(?), Nissan[1] but I disagree that we're
ever particularly good at following through on the design of things.

Given a fag packet we can come up with a clever design terribly well,
but anything beyond that such as specifying how it should be made or
what it should be made from, or even just going back over the design and
checking for silly mistakes, we just don't have the attention span to do
properly. And that's just as important as the initial thinking.

For example, Discovery 2s (98-2004, my current bete noir) has 4
universal joints in the drivetrain: Two have grease nipples fitted, two
don't even have the holes in the (otherwise identical) castings. I just
can't imagine what meetings were had that agreed 50% of the castings
would be drilled and tapped and 50% wouldn't!



[1] Am I imagining it or wasn't there a survey that showed that some of
the UK produced Japmobiles were actually better than the Japan built ones?

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On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 17:36:58 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Phil L wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
On 29/04/2017 23:36, Bertie Doe wrote:


"Malcolm Race" wrote in message news
Are there any?

We are in the process of re-fitting a kitchen. SWMBO wants to fit
only white goods made in the UK. She vwas looking at Hotpoint until
she was told that they were made in china/far east. Are there any
manufacturers who make wquipment in the UK?

Malcolm

The only machine in the Hotpoint range that's made in the UK is
their tumble driers. Ours arrived Thursday of last week, from one of
Amazon's traders via DPD.

A few minutes into it's first drying cycle, it was clear that the
cylinder wasn't rotating. I informed Hotpoint and an engineer duly
arrived. "Most odd" said the engineer, "The belt has broken, doesn't
happen often, I'll have to order one from Bristol, where they're
made". So there's a new appointment for Thursday. You'd think he
would carry a spare belt to cover all tumble drier models? Shudder
to think of the cost of 2 visits, plus 2 lots of petrol. My advice :
buy foreign, unless you like music hall farces :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyeMFSzPgGc

Why carry a part if it never breaks?

it broke

I once had a radiator hose spew out water on a 3 month old VW Transporter.

Criminal company

Big hole in the hose.
"Technician" said faulty manufacturing.

Scott wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 17:36:58 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Phil L wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
On 29/04/2017 23:36, Bertie Doe wrote:


"Malcolm Race" wrote in message
news
Are there any?

We are in the process of re-fitting a kitchen. SWMBO wants to
fit only white goods made in the UK. She vwas looking at
Hotpoint until she was told that they were made in china/far
east. Are there any manufacturers who make wquipment in the UK?

Malcolm

The only machine in the Hotpoint range that's made in the UK is
their tumble driers. Ours arrived Thursday of last week, from one
of Amazon's traders via DPD.

A few minutes into it's first drying cycle, it was clear that the
cylinder wasn't rotating. I informed Hotpoint and an engineer duly
arrived. "Most odd" said the engineer, "The belt has broken,
doesn't happen often, I'll have to order one from Bristol, where
they're made". So there's a new appointment for Thursday. You'd
think he would carry a spare belt to cover all tumble drier
models? Shudder to think of the cost of 2 visits, plus 2 lots of
petrol. My advice : buy foreign, unless you like music hall
farces :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyeMFSzPgGc

Why carry a part if it never breaks?

it broke

I once had a radiator hose spew out water on a 3 month old VW
Transporter.

Criminal company

Big hole in the hose.
"Technician" said faulty manufacturing.

Company vehicle.
It happened whilst I was going home late Friday afternoon. I was 150 miles
from home and not too pleased.

On 30/04/2017 10:23, ARW wrote:
On 29/04/2017 23:26, Andy Burns wrote:
Malcolm Race wrote:

We are in the process of re-fitting a kitchen. SWMBO wants to fit only
white goods made in the UK. She vwas looking at Hotpoint until she was
told that they were made in china/far east. Are there any manufacturers
who make wquipment in the UK?

https://www.ebac.com/washing-machines

10 year warranty. Is that impressive or is there a catch (other than the
one wash a day)?


My Ebac homedry dehumidifier was bought 2nd hand in 1988, shipped out to
Fiji, spent 2 years running almost continuously, then shipped back in
1990 and I have used it every winter since then.

Unlike my car, it has never needed regassing (probably full of CFC
though).

On 30/04/2017 09:22, Brian Gaff wrote:
He will then find there is a defect in the bearing or pullwey and need a
spare.
We used to make TVs in this country back in the early 70s, but they needed
a live in engineer for the first couple of months.


Brian

In the USSR you needed a live-in fireman to deal with their locally-made
colour tv's.

On 4/30/2017 11:41 AM, alan_m wrote:
On 30/04/2017 16:12, S Viemeister wrote:
On 4/29/2017 7:40 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
Malcolm Race wrote:
We are in the process of re-fitting a kitchen. SWMBO wants to fit
only white goods made in the UK.
Good luck.
I wanted to 'Buy British' when I bought my Hotpoint dual-fuel cooker.
When it arrived, I found that it had been manufactured in Poland

http://www.stoves.co.uk/made-in-britain/

When the current Hotpoint cooker goes 'pop', I'll have a look at Stoves.

http://www.glendimplex.com/worldwide...ome_appliances

Noted, thank you.

On 30/04/2017 00:40, Andy Burns wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:

Malcolm Race wrote:

We are in the process of re-fitting a kitchen. SWMBO wants to fit only
white goods made in the UK.

Good luck.
I wanted to 'Buy British' when I bought my Hotpoint dual-fuel cooker.
When it arrived, I found that it had been manufactured in Poland

http://www.stoves.co.uk/made-in-britain/

Gazco (devon) ?.

On Saturday, 29 April 2017 22:25:55 UTC+1, Malcolm Race wrote:
Are there any?

We are in the process of re-fitting a kitchen. SWMBO wants to fit only
white goods made in the UK. She vwas looking at Hotpoint until she was
told that they were made in china/far east. Are there any manufacturers
who make wquipment in the UK?

Malcolm

You can still buy them, but you'd need to look at ebay etc to find them. I saw a 1930s cooker sold last year, very pretty. The downsides are that assembling your kitchen would be a slow process, and some items inevitably need specialist knowledge to restore. And you need to know what to not buy, some historic electrics are just best avoided.


NT

alan_m wrote
Bertie Doe wrote

I'll have to order one from Bristol, where they're made".

Probably assembled in Bristol from
a set of parts shipped in from China.

Why would they bother to assemble them in Britain ?

There surely can't be that many that demand
that what they buy is assembled in Britain ?

Its probably much like the UK car industry where 80% of
the parts for a "UK made car" come from factories abroad.

Very different industry. Cars are much more
complicated than kitchen appliances.

On Mon, 1 May 2017 06:05:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

alan_m wrote
Bertie Doe wrote

I'll have to order one from Bristol, where they're made".

Probably assembled in Bristol from
a set of parts shipped in from China.

Why would they bother to assemble them in Britain ?

Is it something to do with tariffs and place of manufacture (which is
I understand where the final significant manufacturing process takes
place)?

There surely can't be that many that demand
that what they buy is assembled in Britain ?

Its probably much like the UK car industry where 80% of
the parts for a "UK made car" come from factories abroad.

Very different industry. Cars are much more
complicated than kitchen appliances.

"Scott M" wrote in message
news
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scott M wrote:
DerbyBorn wrote:

A British "Made" will be "Assembled in Britain
from parts and sub-assemblies made eleswhere".

And all the better for it. The British car industry is proof of that.

Not so sure about that. Caring assembly of a car is one of the most
important bits. Something which was lacking (for many reasons) in the
heyday of the UK car industry. Rather than fundamental design flaws.

Given the correct guidance, Jonny Englander seems able to assemble cars
correctly - Mini, Rolls, Bentley(?), Nissan[1]

Pity about all the other **** that never was assembled correctly.

but I disagree that we're ever particularly good at following through on
the design of things.

Britain has done fine with aircraft engines most obviously.

Corse you can make a case that the design people who are
any good end up doing stuff like aircraft engines, wings, ARM
etc and there arent enough of them to do cars properly too.

Bet its no coincidence that the krauts have never done
much in the way of modern aircraft or aircraft engines
or computers either and do cars well.

Same with the japs and koreans.

Given a fag packet we can come up with a clever design terribly well, but
anything beyond that such as specifying how it should be made or what it
should be made from, or even just going back over the design and checking
for silly mistakes, we just don't have the attention span to do properly.

That's silly with aircraft engines, wings, ARM etc alone.

And with what the Victorians did before that in spades.

And that's just as important as the initial thinking.

Yes.

For example, Discovery 2s (98-2004, my current bete noir) has 4 universal
joints in the drivetrain: Two have grease nipples fitted, two don't even
have the holes in the (otherwise identical) castings. I just can't imagine
what meetings were had that agreed 50% of the castings would be drilled
and tapped and 50% wouldn't!

Maybe because those with a clue were working for
RR doing aircraft engines or for whoever does wings.

[1] Am I imagining it or wasn't there a survey that showed that some of
the UK produced Japmobiles were actually better than the Japan built ones?

Bet that was done by some prejudiced pom.

Scott wrote
Rod Speed wrote
alan_m wrote
Bertie Doe wrote

I'll have to order one from Bristol, where they're made".

Probably assembled in Bristol from
a set of parts shipped in from China.

Why would they bother to assemble them in Britain ?

Is it something to do with tariffs and place of manufacture

Unlikely given that hardly anyone bother to do it that way in Britain.

(which is I understand where the final significant
manufacturing process takes place)?

But they still have to pay tariffs on the components imported.

There surely can't be that many that demand
that what they buy is assembled in Britain ?

Its probably much like the UK car industry where 80% of
the parts for a "UK made car" come from factories abroad.

Very different industry. Cars are much more
complicated than kitchen appliances.

IMO its more likely to just be someone's
poorly thought thru hare brained scheme,
like producing undrinkable wine in Scotland.

In article ,
Scott M wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scott M wrote:
DerbyBorn wrote:

A British "Made" will be "Assembled in Britain
from parts and sub-assemblies made eleswhere".

And all the better for it. The British car industry is proof of that.

Not so sure about that. Caring assembly of a car is one of the most
important bits. Something which was lacking (for many reasons) in the
heyday of the UK car industry. Rather than fundamental design flaws.

Given the correct guidance, Jonny Englander seems able to assemble cars
correctly - Mini, Rolls, Bentley(?), Nissan[1] but I disagree that we're
ever particularly good at following through on the design of things.

Don't forget we're talking about rather a long time since the heyday of
the Uk car industry. And lots of things have changed since then.

Given a fag packet we can come up with a clever design terribly well,
but anything beyond that such as specifying how it should be made or
what it should be made from, or even just going back over the design and
checking for silly mistakes, we just don't have the attention span to do
properly. And that's just as important as the initial thinking.

For example, Discovery 2s (98-2004, my current bete noir) has 4
universal joints in the drivetrain: Two have grease nipples fitted, two
don't even have the holes in the (otherwise identical) castings. I just
can't imagine what meetings were had that agreed 50% of the castings
would be drilled and tapped and 50% wouldn't!

Trying to remember when last I saw a grease nipple on a car. ;-)



[1] Am I imagining it or wasn't there a survey that showed that some of
the UK produced Japmobiles were actually better than the Japan built ones?

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Andrew wrote:
On 30/04/2017 09:22, Brian Gaff wrote:
He will then find there is a defect in the bearing or pullwey and need a
spare.
We used to make TVs in this country back in the early 70s, but they
needed
a live in engineer for the first couple of months.


Brian

In the USSR you needed a live-in fireman to deal with their locally-made
colour tv's.

That was also true of Siemens TVs sold by Dixons!

On 30/04/2017 19:34, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:


I was 150 miles
from home and not too pleased.



****s like you are never pleased.


--
Adam

On 30/04/2017 16:18, alan_m wrote:
On 30/04/2017 13:05, dennis@home wrote:



Blame customers.
GEC and Hitachi TVs used to come off the same production line in wales,
the only thing different was the badge.
GEC couldn't sell them and they sold their share of the plant and then
it got closed down.

I remember that 3 decades ago when a 2 models of a VHS video recorder
came off the same production line and were identical apart from the case
cosmetics the badge. Which? tested them both and gave one with the JCV
badge a best buy recommendation and slated the other as rubbish.


Which? should change it's name to Witch?

--
Adam

In article ,
ARW wrote:
On 30/04/2017 16:18, alan_m wrote:
On 30/04/2017 13:05, dennis@home wrote:



Blame customers.
GEC and Hitachi TVs used to come off the same production line in wales,
the only thing different was the badge.
GEC couldn't sell them and they sold their share of the plant and then
it got closed down.

I remember that 3 decades ago when a 2 models of a VHS video recorder
came off the same production line and were identical apart from the case
cosmetics the badge. Which? tested them both and gave one with the JCV
badge a best buy recommendation and slated the other as rubbish.


Which? should change it's name to Witch?

Depends. It's quite possible two samples of basically the same model
performed differently. You'd need to read the article to know how they
tested them. And if they were doing proper lab tests (as they once did)
they'd have known the guts were the same.

The reaction here seems to blame Which. When it's possible the blame lies
with the maker for poor quality control.

Which bashing has always been a popular sport. I haven't subscribed for
ages, but when I did usually found their best buy just fine for what I
wanted. Too many treat it like some specialist review mag when it comes to
hobby things like cameras etc. I always regarded it as a way of finding a
best buy for something that didn't matter that much to me. Just wanting it
to perform and last well. When it comes down to cameras, Hi-Fi, cars, etc,
many will want more than that.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Monday, 1 May 2017 12:00:57 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
On 30/04/2017 16:18, alan_m wrote:
On 30/04/2017 13:05, dennis@home wrote:



Blame customers.
GEC and Hitachi TVs used to come off the same production line in wales,
the only thing different was the badge.
GEC couldn't sell them and they sold their share of the plant and then
it got closed down.

I remember that 3 decades ago when a 2 models of a VHS video recorder
came off the same production line and were identical apart from the case
cosmetics the badge. Which? tested them both and gave one with the JCV
badge a best buy recommendation and slated the other as rubbish.


Which? should change it's name to Witch?

Depends. It's quite possible two samples of basically the same model
performed differently. You'd need to read the article to know how they
tested them. And if they were doing proper lab tests (as they once did)
they'd have known the guts were the same.

The reaction here seems to blame Which. When it's possible the blame lies
with the maker for poor quality control.

Which bashing has always been a popular sport.

There's a reason for that. Check out their safety warnings re Sharp Carousel microwave - total horse droppings.


NT

In article ,
wrote:
Which bashing has always been a popular sport.

There's a reason for that. Check out their safety warnings re Sharp
Carousel microwave - total horse droppings.

If you wish to give such an example, provide a link. And given how long
they've been going it would be very unusual not to have ever made a
mistake.

Perhaps you prefer to rely on user reviews which are always 100% accurate?

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 01/05/2017 11:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
On 30/04/2017 16:18, alan_m wrote:
On 30/04/2017 13:05, dennis@home wrote:



Blame customers.
GEC and Hitachi TVs used to come off the same production line in wales,
the only thing different was the badge.
GEC couldn't sell them and they sold their share of the plant and then
it got closed down.

I remember that 3 decades ago when a 2 models of a VHS video recorder
came off the same production line and were identical apart from the case
cosmetics the badge. Which? tested them both and gave one with the JCV
badge a best buy recommendation and slated the other as rubbish.


Which? should change it's name to Witch?

Depends. It's quite possible two samples of basically the same model
performed differently. You'd need to read the article to know how they
tested them. And if they were doing proper lab tests (as they once did)
they'd have known the guts were the same.

The reaction here seems to blame Which. When it's possible the blame lies
with the maker for poor quality control.

Which bashing has always been a popular sport. I haven't subscribed for
ages, but when I did usually found their best buy just fine for what I
wanted. Too many treat it like some specialist review mag when it comes to
hobby things like cameras etc. I always regarded it as a way of finding a
best buy for something that didn't matter that much to me. Just wanting it
to perform and last well. When it comes down to cameras, Hi-Fi, cars, etc,
many will want more than that.


So the lab testing is based on a sample of one and the customer reviews
are based on Which readers that can be bothered to make a report (and
you can bet that they are boring complaining ****s with nothing better
to do in their life).



--
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , ARW
wrote:
On 30/04/2017 16:18, alan_m wrote:
On 30/04/2017 13:05, dennis@home wrote:



Blame customers. GEC and Hitachi TVs used to come off the same
production line in wales, the only thing different was the badge.
GEC couldn't sell them and they sold their share of the plant and
then it got closed down.

I remember that 3 decades ago when a 2 models of a VHS video recorder
came off the same production line and were identical apart from the
case cosmetics the badge. Which? tested them both and gave one with
the JCV badge a best buy recommendation and slated the other as
rubbish.


Which? should change it's name to Witch?

Depends. It's quite possible two samples of basically the same model
performed differently. You'd need to read the article to know how they
tested them. And if they were doing proper lab tests (as they once did)
they'd have known the guts were the same.

The reaction here seems to blame Which. When it's possible the blame lies
with the maker for poor quality control.

They relied on subscribers input. The HMV they slated was 1 out of a
sample of 1. i found that out years later.

I could point out a number of other idioocities, like putting the wrong
plugs in the Rover 2000 and complaining it performed badly, but I won't.
One of the problems was that they often got national press coverage for
their bad reviews

--
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On Monday, 1 May 2017 13:06:36 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Which bashing has always been a popular sport.

There's a reason for that. Check out their safety warnings re Sharp
Carousel microwave - total horse droppings.

If you wish to give such an example,

I already have

provide a link.

the internet didn't exist then

And given how long
they've been going it would be very unusual not to have ever made a
mistake.

Indeed. But when it's one long litany of uselessness.


Perhaps you prefer to rely on user reviews which are always 100% accurate?

Perhaps you prefer to make up sillies.


NT

In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 1 May 2017 13:06:36 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Which bashing has always been a popular sport.

There's a reason for that. Check out their safety warnings re Sharp
Carousel microwave - total horse droppings.

If you wish to give such an example,

I already have

provide a link.

the internet didn't exist then

So you simply expect people to take your word for it?

And given how long
they've been going it would be very unusual not to have ever made a
mistake.

Indeed. But when it's one long litany of uselessness.

Not in my experience.


Perhaps you prefer to rely on user reviews which are always 100%
accurate?

Perhaps you prefer to make up sillies.

Which was a paid for service for its members. Not for the public at large.
Were you a paid up subscriber?


NT

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2017-05-01, charles wrote:

[33 lines snipped]

I could point out a number of other idioocities, like putting the
wrong plugs in the Rover 2000 and complaining it performed badly, but
I won't. One of the problems was that they often got national press
coverage for their bad reviews

Or engaging first gear in a Rover 100 without the clutch at maximum revs
and then complaining about a "weak gearbox" when it broke. The Rover 100
was deeply **** in many ways, but that wasn't one of them.

Again, I'd love to see the original article this came from.

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In article ,
charles wrote:
I could point out a number of other idioocities, like putting the wrong
plugs in the Rover 2000 and complaining it performed badly, but I won't.
One of the problems was that they often got national press coverage for
their bad reviews

Well, we all know the press just love to cover such things.

BTW, the original Rover company used to insist on Lodge spark plugs. Long
after they were ****e.
And the original plug spec on my early 3500 caused misfiring. Took some
years before Rover changed it to a better one.

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , charles
wrote:
I could point out a number of other idioocities, like putting the wrong
plugs in the Rover 2000 and complaining it performed badly, but I
won't. One of the problems was that they often got national press
coverage for their bad reviews

Well, we all know the press just love to cover such things.

and, of course, never cover the retraction - which there was in this case.
Wrong length of plug, ISTR.

BTW, the original Rover company used to insist on Lodge spark plugs.

Probably because they had a contact with them.


Long after they were ****e. And the original plug spec on my early 3500
caused misfiring. Took some years before Rover changed it to a better one.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 1 May 2017 13:06:36 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Which bashing has always been a popular sport.

There's a reason for that. Check out their safety warnings re Sharp
Carousel microwave - total horse droppings.

If you wish to give such an example,

I already have

provide a link.

the internet didn't exist then

So you simply expect people to take your word for it?

And given how long
they've been going it would be very unusual not to have ever made a
mistake.

Indeed. But when it's one long litany of uselessness.

Not in my experience.


Perhaps you prefer to rely on user reviews which are always 100%
accurate?

Perhaps you prefer to make up sillies.

Which was a paid for service for its members. Not for the public at large.
Were you a paid up subscriber?

I was. But whenit srarted getting silly, I stopped.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Monday, 1 May 2017 14:27:33 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 1 May 2017 13:06:36 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Which bashing has always been a popular sport.

There's a reason for that. Check out their safety warnings re Sharp
Carousel microwave - total horse droppings.

If you wish to give such an example,

I already have

provide a link.

the internet didn't exist then

So you simply expect people to take your word for it?

I don't mind whether people google it or not, or find it or not, or who they want to believe. Some can figure stuff out, some can't.

The summary was they claimed the sharp carousel gave especially uneven heating and would likely lead to food poisoning. Having had a carousel from that era I know this to be complete droppings.

And given how long
they've been going it would be very unusual not to have ever made a
mistake.

Indeed. But when it's one long litany of uselessness.

Not in my experience.


Perhaps you prefer to rely on user reviews which are always 100%
accurate?

Perhaps you prefer to make up sillies.

Which was a paid for service for its members. Not for the public at large.
Were you a paid up subscriber?

No! No doubt you'll use that to make something else up. Unfortunately there are other purchasing advice sources out there that are even more tripe.


NT

In article ,
wrote:
Which was a paid for service for its members. Not for the public at
large. Were you a paid up subscriber?

No! No doubt you'll use that to make something else up. Unfortunately
there are other purchasing advice sources out there that are even more
tripe.

There may well be now. But Which started a long time ago when there
weren't. And got the same sort of criticism you've just made. Often from
those who'd only read a press headline and not the entire Which report. So
taken out of context.

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On Mon, 01 May 2017 11:54:02 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Which bashing has always been a popular sport. I haven't subscribed for
ages, but when I did usually found their best buy just fine for what I
wanted.

Don't make the mistake I made by following their 'best buy' for landline
phones (Gigaset). They are still on sale and still in the shops as a
Which best buy.

Poor speakers and very poor life expectancy for both the handsets IME.
They were cheap and we need them quickly but have now replaced them.

On Monday, 1 May 2017 17:15:42 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Which was a paid for service for its members. Not for the public at
large. Were you a paid up subscriber?

No! No doubt you'll use that to make something else up. Unfortunately
there are other purchasing advice sources out there that are even more
tripe.

There may well be now. But Which started a long time ago when there
weren't. And got the same sort of criticism you've just made. Often from
those who'd only read a press headline and not the entire Which report. So
taken out of context.

I don't see that context really makes much difference to a big fat warning that the sharp carousel was not safe to use. For the benefit of Sharp, it was never true.


NT

On 01/05/17 15:08, wrote:
On Monday, 1 May 2017 14:27:33 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 1 May 2017 13:06:36 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Which bashing has always been a popular sport.

There's a reason for that. Check out their safety warnings re Sharp
Carousel microwave - total horse droppings.

If you wish to give such an example,

I already have

provide a link.

the internet didn't exist then

So you simply expect people to take your word for it?

I don't mind whether people google it or not, or find it or not, or who they want to believe. Some can figure stuff out, some can't.

The summary was they claimed the sharp carousel gave especially uneven heating and would likely lead to food poisoning. Having had a carousel from that era I know this to be complete droppings.

I can confirm that my 2017 tesco 40 quid microwave dies exceptionally
uneven heating.
But it was only 40 quid.

Their toaster is ****e too.
But it toasts.

Sometimes needs two passes owing to lack of heat in the elements

On Mon, 01 May 2017 11:16:32 -0500, Mark Allread
wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2017 11:54:02 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Which bashing has always been a popular sport. I haven't subscribed for
ages, but when I did usually found their best buy just fine for what I
wanted.

Don't make the mistake I made by following their 'best buy' for landline
phones (Gigaset). They are still on sale and still in the shops as a
Which best buy.

Poor speakers and very poor life expectancy for both the handsets IME.
They were cheap and we need them quickly but have now replaced them.

As a matter of interest, what life would you expect for a cordless
phone? I assume you considered replacing the batteries?

How do you know the speaker is bad and not the microphone on the
caller's equipment or the landline? It seems to me most poor quality
calls are the fault of the other person's equipment - either not
holding the mouthpiece close to the mouth or walking about.

PS Psychologically, does speaking deliberately quietly cause the
other person to speak louder and vice versa?

On 01/05/17 17:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
Which was a paid for service for its members. Not for the public at
large. Were you a paid up subscriber?

No! No doubt you'll use that to make something else up. Unfortunately
there are other purchasing advice sources out there that are even more
tripe.

There may well be now. But Which started a long time ago when there
weren't. And got the same sort of criticism you've just made. Often from
those who'd only read a press headline and not the entire Which report. So
taken out of context.


The problem with Which is that their reports are also taken out of
context, not read, and applied to people where the items are really not
suited - third hand like "advice" from a well meaning uncle.

If ye read the articles, take on the advice learnt and then discover
further to make up ya own mind. Which doesn’t cover everything relevant
for everyone.

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On Mon, 1 May 2017 09:28:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I don't see that context really makes much difference to a big fat
warning that the sharp carousel was not safe to use. For the
benefit of Sharp, it was never true.

But how would you know?

On Monday, 1 May 2017 20:17:05 UTC+1, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 1 May 2017 09:28:46 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:

I don't see that context really makes much difference to a big fat
warning that the sharp carousel was not safe to use. For the
benefit of Sharp, it was never true.

But how would you know?

I did answer that of course. Keep up.

"Mark Allread" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 01 May 2017 11:54:02 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Which bashing has always been a popular sport. I haven't subscribed for
ages, but when I did usually found their best buy just fine for what I
wanted.

Don't make the mistake I made by following their 'best buy' for landline
phones (Gigaset). They are still on sale and still in the shops as a
Which best buy.

Poor speakers and very poor life expectancy for both the handsets IME.
They were cheap and we need them quickly but have now replaced them.

Interesting. I was considering them myself, to replace the Panasonic
KX-TCD735ALM cordless phones, mainly to get a decent loadable
phone database. The Panasonics dont have that, its all manual.

But considering giving up on cordless phones and doing
it all using a decent mobile phone instead, mainly because
I have been having a problem getting my landline number
ported to my voip service with the change to a fttn service
and found the iphone 6s much better to use for phone calls.

What have you replaced the gigasets with ?

In article ,
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 01/05/17 17:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
Which was a paid for service for its members. Not for the public at
large. Were you a paid up subscriber?

No! No doubt you'll use that to make something else up. Unfortunately
there are other purchasing advice sources out there that are even more
tripe.

There may well be now. But Which started a long time ago when there
weren't. And got the same sort of criticism you've just made. Often
from those who'd only read a press headline and not the entire Which
report. So taken out of context.


The problem with Which is that their reports are also taken out of
context, not read, and applied to people where the items are really not
suited - third hand like "advice" from a well meaning uncle.

If ye read the articles, take on the advice learnt and then discover
further to make up ya own mind. Which doesn’t cover everything relevant
for everyone.

I remember Jaguar creating a stink when Which members' reports on
reliability said they weren't the best. But if they'd actually read the
article fully, the members all liked their Jaguars rather more than some
that scored better in the reliability stakes. But of course the press only
reported the 'sensational' bit.

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
The problem with Which is that their reports are also taken out of
context, not read, and applied to people where the items are really not
suited - third hand like "advice" from a well meaning uncle.

If ye read the articles, take on the advice learnt and then discover
further to make up ya own mind. Which doesn't cover everything relevant
for everyone.

Their reviews are rubbish for the most part.

Why did you subscribe to a very expensive magazine when you knew the
reports were rubbish?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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