I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?

"Alexander Galkin" wrote in message
...
I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?

You may also want to post on rec.food.equipment

Jenn Air has not gotten a lot of favorable reviews. I think you can do
better.

As for t he DW, Kitchen Aid, Whirlpool, Maytag and some models of Kenmore
(made by Whirlpool) have been favored. We recently bought a new KA and I
thought it was one of the best built.

Microwaves Panasonic and Sharp seem to be the leaders. Most are made by the
same few companies anyway.

"Alexander Galkin" wrote in message
...
I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?

With high end appliances come the latest technology, it's often not ready to
sell. Expect high repair bills. When people ask I always suggest middle of
the line because that's where you usually get the best value.

Jennair, some people love them some are sorry they ever bought one. If you
live in a cold winter area they can make a room pretty chilly if they are
not properly installed, you will have a 5" or 6" hole exiting a wall
somewhere for the downdraft vent. Second problem is slow cooking on the top
of the range. The same downdraft fan that cools your kitchen in the winter
will be pulling the heat away from the food you are cooking on the stove
top.

Have you seen the Kitchenaid 2 drawer dishwasher? Pretty neat and if you
want top of the line then this might do it for you.

Check these out:
Pro Line Series
Architect Series
http://www.kitchenaid.com/home.jsp

"Alexander Galkin" wrote in message
...
I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end
to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?

trying to pick out a range by price rather than function and purpose is
backwards. Sure you can buy a exotic car to drive to get your mail, but why
would you do that? Because you can?

I purchased a $1000 gas range for my last remodel. Made by GE no splash
with controls. My application was in a island and I needed something flat. I
thought that was a lot of money for something that is nothing more than a
controlled fire.

Depending on what you want. 4 burners, 8 burners, fryer, well, single oven,
double oven. Spending $2k for a range will be easy. Try looking at
commercial units, like Vulcan.

Jenn-air/Maytag same company. I bought a Jenn-air cabinet depth refer last
February. Been good for my application. It is a LOT smaller inside than the
others and could be an issue for a family.

http://www.us-appliance.com/ranges.html

second on the search that I made

Verona, five star, Viking all have ranges in over the $5 price tag.

Ever need two different temperatures? Here's the answer:

With convection
http://www.maytag.com/mths/products/...BVCookie=Y es

Without convection
http://www.maytag.com/mths/products/...BVCookie=Y es

My entire kitchen has Jenn-air and maytag appliances. They are the best
value out there. I would only consider Maytag or Jenn-air, or thermador,
unless you can afford sub-zero. I've owned Kenmore, Whrilpool, and
frididare in the past. Kenmore is cheap crap, poor quality cheaply made.
Whrilpool and frigidare are not built to last.


Ed wrote:
"Alexander Galkin" wrote in message
...

I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?


With high end appliances come the latest technology, it's often not ready to
sell. Expect high repair bills. When people ask I always suggest middle of
the line because that's where you usually get the best value.

Jennair, some people love them some are sorry they ever bought one. If you
live in a cold winter area they can make a room pretty chilly if they are
not properly installed, you will have a 5" or 6" hole exiting a wall
somewhere for the downdraft vent. Second problem is slow cooking on the top
of the range. The same downdraft fan that cools your kitchen in the winter
will be pulling the heat away from the food you are cooking on the stove
top.

Have you seen the Kitchenaid 2 drawer dishwasher? Pretty neat and if you
want top of the line then this might do it for you.

Check these out:
Pro Line Series
Architect Series
http://www.kitchenaid.com/home.jsp

Alexander Galkin wrote:
I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am
going to need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering
near high-end to high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for
gas range, have not yet figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I
checked some online stores and found that only Jenn-Air has gas
ranges for my budget. Does anyone own Jenn-Air ranges, are they good?
Are there other brands to consider? What about microwave and
dishwasher?

Rather than staring with the budget, I suggest you start with a list of
required and desired features. Look for what you want, not a price.

I suggest you may want to take a look at Consumer Reports at the
library. They can offer some guidance. The library will have the older
issues.

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"SQLit" wrote in message

trying to pick out a range by price rather than function and purpose is
backwards. Sure you can buy a exotic car to drive to get your mail, but
why
would you do that? Because you can?

Sure why not?

Some of us like all the extras in spite of the cost.

A flame is a flame and it will boil water. Higher priced units tend to have
more feature, better quality, heavier materials, and yes, more things to
break.

When I bought one of my cars, a co-worker made the comment that is will
break sooner, the trim will rust and a lot of reasons why the "second line"
would be a better buy. I still own it 14 years later, runs as good as the
day it was new, he is on his third car and has had major repairs on two of
them.

We all have different values. Give $1000 to ten people and everyone of them
will do something different with it. Some will bank it, some will invest in
stocks, some will take a vacation, buy an appliance, throw a party. Is this
a great country?

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

We all have different values. Give $1000 to ten people and everyone
of them will do something different with it. Some will bank it, some
will invest in stocks, some will take a vacation, buy an appliance,
throw a party. Is this a great country?

Is this a great country?

Where else could a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white man and marry
Elvis Presley's daughter?

"Billy" wrote

My entire kitchen has Jenn-air and maytag appliances. They are the best
value out there. I would only consider Maytag or Jenn-air, or thermador,
unless you can afford sub-zero. I've owned Kenmore, Whrilpool, and
frididare in the past. Kenmore is cheap crap, poor quality cheaply made.
Whrilpool and frigidare are not built to last.

I know what you mean when you speak of quality. Jennair and Maytage
refrigerators were/are Admilal refigerators. The biggest problem I recall
with these is that the refrigerator door seal retaining screws were screwed
up against the inside door liner which was plastic. Eventually the screws
pushed through the liner and the inside panel fell off. Ah, quality.

These are not big sellers around here so I don't know if that was ever
corrected. At one time they used metal retainers under the screws and the
door liner problem never existed. Ah, progress.

I know more or less what kind of range I want. It is 30" four burners
stainless steel range. I would like to have a rotisserie in the range oven.
Beyond that I don't know what other features are useful as I never had in my
life good range. Regarding dishwasher and microwave I don't need anything
fancy, I just want good solid quality. I want them in stainless steel finish
too. I already have good refrigerator so I don't need one. I am going to
build all custom cherry cabinets and wooden enclosure of the range hood.

"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
...
Alexander Galkin wrote:
I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am
going to need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering
near high-end to high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for
gas range, have not yet figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I
checked some online stores and found that only Jenn-Air has gas
ranges for my budget. Does anyone own Jenn-Air ranges, are they good?
Are there other brands to consider? What about microwave and
dishwasher?

Rather than staring with the budget, I suggest you start with a list of
required and desired features. Look for what you want, not a price.

I suggest you may want to take a look at Consumer Reports at the
library. They can offer some guidance. The library will have the older
issues.

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"Joseph Meehan" wrote

I suggest you may want to take a look at Consumer Reports at the
library. They can offer some guidance.

I never had much confidence in their appliance ratings. I've seen the same
appliance under different brand names with very different ratings. How can
that be?

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:07:44 -0500, "Ed" wrote:


"Joseph Meehan" wrote

I suggest you may want to take a look at Consumer Reports at the
library. They can offer some guidance.

I never had much confidence in their appliance ratings. I've seen the same
appliance under different brand names with very different ratings. How can
that be?


Ford makes a good car and a bad car. Same with appliances. CR always
rates specific models, although they give repair records for brands.

"Phisherman" wrote

Ford makes a good car and a bad car.

I was not aware that Ford made a good car.

Same with appliances. CR always
rates specific models, although they give repair records for brands.

As someone that is somewhat familiar with household appliances, I can tell
you that I'm talking "the same" machine with very different ratings. The
parts are interchangeable. The assembly line is the same. The only
difference is the name that's painted onto the control housing.

Joseph Meehan wrote:
Alexander Galkin wrote:

I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am
going to need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering
near high-end to high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for
gas range, have not yet figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I
checked some online stores and found that only Jenn-Air has gas
ranges for my budget. Does anyone own Jenn-Air ranges, are they good?
Are there other brands to consider? What about microwave and
dishwasher?


Rather than staring with the budget, I suggest you start with a list of
required and desired features. Look for what you want, not a price.

I suggest you may want to take a look at Consumer Reports at the
library. They can offer some guidance. The library will have the older
issues.

I think you should survey all your friends and neighbors, asking what
brand they have, how long it has been in use, whether it has been
repaired, etc. See of there is a source of repair parts near your home.
I just spent a long time looking for a source of the plastic ends for
a shelf bar in a frig. Gaskets, drawers, shelves need replacing from
time to time.

I installed Magic Chef appliances back in 1992. The dishwasher and
trash compactor are OK. The microwave and stove are awful. Both have
lots of plastic parts that break and like all plastic, attract dirt and
grease. The stove has lots of inside curves and creases that make it
hard to clean. The stove went through a spell of displaying "F1" but
nobody on the web or on the phone could tell me what that meant.

Alexander Galkin wrote:
I know more or less what kind of range I want. It is 30" four burners
stainless steel range. I would like to have a rotisserie in the range
oven. Beyond that I don't know what other features are useful as I
never had in my life good range. Regarding dishwasher and microwave I
don't need anything fancy, I just want good solid quality. I want
them in stainless steel finish too. I already have good refrigerator
so I don't need one. I am going to build all custom cherry cabinets
and wooden enclosure of the range hood.

May I add one additional suggestion. Ask a few people who own stainless
steel appliances how they like them. The few people who I know who have
them may like them, but they all seems to have a bad thing to say about
keeping the finish looking good. Spots and fingerprints are a problem

I suspect your price for microwave and dishwasher are going to bump up
quite a bit for the SS feature.


"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
...
Alexander Galkin wrote:
I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am
going to need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering
near high-end to high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for
gas range, have not yet figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I
checked some online stores and found that only Jenn-Air has gas
ranges for my budget. Does anyone own Jenn-Air ranges, are they
good? Are there other brands to consider? What about microwave and
dishwasher?

Rather than staring with the budget, I suggest you start with a
list of required and desired features. Look for what you want, not
a price. I suggest you may want to take a look at Consumer Reports at the
library. They can offer some guidance. The library will have the
older issues.

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

I have had excellent results with Kitchenade for stoves and fridges. The
Whirlpool, Armada, Maytag, and GE are also supposed to be very good. Most of
technology that goes in to these are made by the same manufactures. The
design is different to fit to their particulars for the model type. I
particularly like the new Maytag line.

As for the Microwave ovens, I have been very satisfied. Our last 4 ovens
since we've had microwave ovens, has all been Panasonic. I would not change
the brands that I like.

--

Jerry G.
======


"Alexander Galkin" wrote in message
...
I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?

"Billy" wrote in message
news:xXjWd.42580$ya6.3704@trndny01...
My entire kitchen has Jenn-air and maytag appliances. They are the best
value out there. I would only consider Maytag or Jenn-air, or thermador,
unless you can afford sub-zero. I've owned Kenmore, Whrilpool, and
frididare in the past. Kenmore is cheap crap, poor quality cheaply made.
Whrilpool and frigidare are not built to last.


I had a Maytag fridge for 8 years - worst refrigerator I've ever had, and as
we just put in a new kitchen we bought a new one and donated the Maytag to
someone on PhillyFreeCycle. Before the Maytag was 1 year old we had to
replace one of the brackets on the freezer door. When it was just 4 years
old the seal around the freezer door had to be replaced, and the seal around
the refrigerator itself has now come loose and will need to be replaced.
When we went to an appliance store to purchase the new stuff I mentioned
this to the owner and he said that he no longer handled Maytag refrigerators
because he got too many complaints.

Liz

050305 0904 - Alexander Galkin posted:

I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?



You could look over the Viking systems...

http://www.vikingrange.com/welcome.html

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:04:53 -0500, "Alexander Galkin"
wrote:

I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?


I purchased a Jenn-Air gas range. EXTREMELY hard to clean, continual
problems with the ignighters. NEVER again.

I have not had good luck with my Maytag Model MSD2957AE side by side
refrigerator. It was purchased in 1999 for $1850, was replaced by the
retailer within a couple weeks, and the replacement had the same bugs as the
original - leaks water on floor, does not cool evenly, ice dispensor and
water fountain failures. Many parts have unglued themselves such a drawer
pulls and drawer supports, outer doors will not stay shut. I ended up using
digital thermometers in the freezer and the refrigerator as we have lost
food several times and Maytag says they did not design it, they only put
their name on it.

When I asked for a new one of a different model due to many of the same
repeat problems, Maytag said they are fixing the bugs as they come up in the
field and encouraged me to continue to renew my service contract.

Next time, I will probably buy from Costco. Its been my experience that
Costco stands behind their items unlike Maytag.


"Alexander Galkin" wrote in message
...
I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?

"Alexander Galkin" wrote in message
...
I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?

Suggest you take a subscription to Consumers Reports online site for a month
or two. They buy and test what they rate, and they do an annual
questionnaire to get information on reliability. For me, most importantly
they give a good general explanation in a very clear and concise manner,
talking about the different features available, listing the pros and cons of
each.

I don't always wind up buying what they recommend, but I always feel more
comfortable about the decision after I've spent some time reading their
comments.

I think it's $6 a month. Well worth it. www.consumerreports.org

--
"Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs."

regards,

Frank Johansen
Aurora, Ontario

"Buck Frobisher" wrote in message

Suggest you take a subscription to Consumers Reports online site for a
month or two. They buy and test what they rate, and they do an annual
questionnaire to get information on reliability. For me, most importantly
they give a good general explanation in a very clear and concise manner,
talking about the different features available, listing the pros and cons
of each.


Many years ago they were OK. They seem much more biased in their reporting
and their findings have often been directly opposite my own experience.
They downgrade appliances and automobiles for things that I find to be a
plus. Read their information with an open mind and do other research also.
While they do have some good information, their priorities may not match
yours at all.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
news:Rff0e.15784$ed6.4219@trndny06...

"Buck Frobisher" wrote in message

Suggest you take a subscription to Consumers Reports online site for a
month or two. They buy and test what they rate, and they do an annual
questionnaire to get information on reliability. For me, most
importantly they give a good general explanation in a very clear and
concise manner, talking about the different features available, listing
the pros and cons of each.


Many years ago they were OK. They seem much more biased in their reporting
and their findings have often been directly opposite my own experience.
They downgrade appliances and automobiles for things that I find to be a
plus. Read their information with an open mind and do other research
also. While they do have some good information, their priorities may not
match yours at all.

We all have our own agendas and value sets, so it's nearly impossible for
many of us to accept another's opinion on -anything- at face value. And
let me say that I'm not here to defend CR, they are well able to do that
themselves.

Having said that, I cannot be an expert on everything. Even if I was, I
could never hope to have the resources available to me that CR has. Nor can
the sum total of all the people that read and post on this group be expected
to be experts on all appliances, only those with which they have had
contact, and even then, to a limited degree. They don't test them, they fix
them. Don't get me wrong, there IS a wealth of good information available
on here though.

Also, it's hard to believe publications that accept free samples for testing
and then sell advertising space back to the same companies are completely
unbiased or anywhere near it.

As I mentioned in my original post, the thing I value the most from CR is
their descriptions of the overall current market offer in terms of features
and their usefulness for a specific commodity. As often as not, I don't buy
their "best buy" items, rebel that I am

So, I'm quite willing to look to a better independent source for product
reviews, if anyone knows of one. Who IS CR's competition, anyway?

I have been a distributor of Baumatic appliances for 7 years and while they used to have a problem with service call outs this was resolved about three years ago. I always recommend Baumatic to friends and family as they are very good on price due the internet retailers.

See the range at www.baumatic.co.uk - they do ranges too - some very nice ones the Americana range - Worth getting a price online at the appliance supplier web sites.

Forget KitchenAid dishwashers. Mine broke, first time a glass broke inside.
Glass breakage is something that occurs quite often in dishwashers, due to
the heat. $200 to fix it, just for parts, every time a glass breaks!


wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:04:53 -0500, "Alexander Galkin"
wrote:

I am going to remodel my kitchen and researching appliances. I am going
to
need gas range, dishwasher and microwave. I am considering near high-end
to
high-end models. I have budget of about $2200 for gas range, have not yet
figured out for dishwasher and microwave. I checked some online stores
and
found that only Jenn-Air has gas ranges for my budget. Does anyone own
Jenn-Air ranges, are they good? Are there other brands to consider? What
about microwave and dishwasher?


I purchased a Jenn-Air gas range. EXTREMELY hard to clean, continual
problems with the ignighters. NEVER again.

"Cigar Havana" wrote in message
...
Forget KitchenAid dishwashers. Mine broke, first time a glass broke
inside.
Glass breakage is something that occurs quite often in dishwashers, due to
the heat. $200 to fix it, just for parts, every time a glass breaks!


Bad reasoning. This can happen with any brand. Glasses rarely break if
loaded properly. I can recall only one in all our years of DW use, about 30
years or more. KA makes a damned good machine. My last one was just
replaces after over 15 years of service.